Ancient Sages Were Great Scientists: Defence Minister Parrikar

[nForce]

surely some more than others.

Surely it would be so. How does Islam fit in there ?

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

 

[jamahir]

Surely it would be so. How does Islam fit in there ?

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

to repeat...

it brought simplicity and justice to its immediate society and to the wider world at its time of establishment.

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in one of my earliest posts on pdf, one year ago, i said i wanted a future communist humanity with all older religions abolished.

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i will quote part of my own post...

"the nepal earthquake demolished the prayer houses of buddhists,hindus, muslims, christians... and some of these had stood for centuries and been visited by countless daily worshipers and pilgrims... all those idols and accepted shapes of the prayer houses and their special establishment rituals were of no help.

what was this earthquake that destroyed in seconds the human imaginings of "the divine"... the earthquake was nature... perhaps nature is god and god is nature... immovable, undefeatable, existent.

in 2013, russia saw a passage in its skies of a meteor from space... it arrived without much warning and didn't even have to touch the ground to indirectly injure 7000+ people and damage 1000+ buildings... this world hangs delicate in the vastness of space and in space no understanding of human religion can make effect... i see space as the outer nature, the real nature."

 

[nForce]

to repeat...

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

Every religion brought something good to the table. Nothing unique there.

 

[ayesha.a]

Eclipse was supersition not many hundred of years ago.

No. Eclipses are an observable phenomena. Anybody with eyes could see a solar or lunar eclipse, and these have been recorded for all known history.

The reason for eclipses was unknown, and as it always happens with unknown phenomena, people wove superstitious beliefs and fairytales around them. The Vikings thought the moon was eaten by a wolf, the Chinese thought that it was eaten by a dragon, hindus believed that it was eaten by Rahu.

Eclipses were not superstitions that later became proven. Eclipses were always known to occur. The reasons attributed were superstitious beliefs, and those beliefs were all discarded when a scientific explanation was arrived at.

So if your point is that what was considered mere superstition later becomes accepted, then you chose a wrong example.

in one of my earliest posts on pdf, one year ago, i said i wanted a future communist humanity with all older religions abolished.

Ah, so you want your religion to replace all other/older religions. Gee, what a new concept!

(Isn't that what every religion tries? To replace existing religions?)

 

[Viny]

No. Eclipses are an observable phenomena. Anybody with eyes could see a solar or lunar eclipse, and these have been recorded for all known history.

The reason for eclipses was unknown, and as it always happens with unknown phenomena, people wove superstitious beliefs and fairytales around them. The Vikings thought the moon was eaten by a wolf, the Chinese thought that it was eaten by a dragon, hindus believed that it was eaten by Rahu.

Eclipses were not superstitions that later became proven. Eclipses were always known to occur. The reasons attributed were superstitious beliefs, and those beliefs were all discarded when a scientific explanation was arrived at.

So if your point is that what was considered mere superstition later becomes accepted, then you chose a wrong example.

Sorry i was not very clear.
What i meant was the beliefs associated with eclipses, people use to think that its devils work or some curse etc and one should not move out or drink open water etc etc.
But now that we know the scientific reason behind it the superstitious beliefs are losing its ground.

 

[jamahir]

No. Eclipses are an observable phenomena. Anybody with eyes could see a solar or lunar eclipse, and these have been recorded for all known history.

The reason for eclipses was unknown, and as it always happens with unknown phenomena, people wove superstitious beliefs and fairytales around them. The Vikings thought the moon was eaten by a wolf, the Chinese thought that it was eaten by a dragon, hindus believed that it was eaten by Rahu.

Eclipses were not superstitions that later became proven. Eclipses were always known to occur. The reasons attributed were superstitious beliefs, and those beliefs were all discarded when a scientific explanation was arrived at.

that indeed happened, and not only in later times but also when the older culture permitted rational and questioning thought to exist.

there were other sky changes to be observed too, like supernovae.

from ( 2,000-Year-Old Supernova Mystery Finally Solved | RCW 86, Supernovas & Star Explosions | Ancient Astronomy & Space History )...

Two NASA space telescopes have helped solve some of the most enduring mysteries of the first documented report of star explosion — an ancient supernova spotted nearly 2,000 years ago, scientists say.

In 185 A.D., Chinese astronomers witnessed what they called a mysterious "guest star" that appeared in the sky and lingered for about eight months. It wasn't until the 1960s that scientists determined that this cosmic object was the first documented observation of a supernova that signaled the violent death of a distant star.

from ( History of supernova observation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...

SN 185 may have also possibly been recorded in Roman literature, though no records have survived.[3]

In 393 CE, the Chinese recorded the appearance of another "guest star", SN 393, in the modern constellation of Scorpius.[5] Additional unconfirmed supernovae events may have been observed in 369 CE, 386 CE, 437 CE, 827 CE and 902 CE.[1] However these have not yet been associated with a supernova remnant, and so they remain only candidates. Over a span of about 2,000 years, Chinese astronomers recorded a total of twenty such candidate events, including later explosions noted by Islamic, European, and possibly Indian and other observers.[1][6]

Ah, so you want your religion to replace all other/older religions. Gee, what a new concept!

(Isn't that what every religion tries? To replace existing religions?)

but i am talking about a scientifically-provable democratic society that is acceptable to the rational minds from all cultures.

But now that we know the scientific reason behind it the superstitious beliefs are losing its ground.

sadly in many indian habitations, solar eclipses still have superstitions attached.

many years ago, in a smaller city, was a day of solar eclipse... that morning, my area was totally silent, with no one outside their door.

but there was a lambani lady going door-to-door saying "grahan lag gaya grahan" and collecting alms.

i left for my friend's house and on the way was not much human or vehicle traffic.

 

[TruthPrevails]

baba ramdev and the honorable defence minister should first donate their bones for this exemplar research... lead by example, i say !!

and you leave no opportunity to spew venom even if its troll isnt it?

 

[ayesha.a]

Sorry i was not very clear.
What i meant was the beliefs associated with eclipses, people use to think that its devils work or some curse etc and one should not move out or drink open water etc etc.
But now that we know the scientific reason behind it the superstitious beliefs are losing its ground.

That doesn't seem to gel with the rest of your post. It sounded like you were saying that old beliefs and myths were true, and that we cannot understand them yet. Specifically, it seemed that you were saying that 'Vaastu' was more than just a myth. Here is what you said:

Same goes with some old traditional sciences, they might hold 100% truth in current era, or we might not having all the basis to prove there truth.

Fact that people have documented methods with precisions, it must have been part of some scientific experiments. Which evolved in due process of architectural knowledge development.

Anyway, I agree with your later clarification.

 

[jamahir]

and you leave no opportunity to spew venom even if its troll isnt it?

i am perhaps one of the calmest members and lately have been spending time in female-appreciation threads.

venom and me

and do read the conversation after that post you quoted.

 

[TruthPrevails]

i am perhaps one of the calmest members and lately have been spending time in female-appreciation threads.

venom and me

and do the conversation after that post you quoted.

I have seen and followed your posts way before i joined pdf. I and perhaps any member new or old, who follow pdf know what your posts are about and what you think. I dont want to go into personal attacks, but you are one of those HARVEY DENT people who on one hand speak greater good and equality and on the other hand starts demeaning others belief. And whether you support feminism is your choice and neither i am here to give you a lecture on do`s and don`t.

 

[ayesha.a]

but i am talking about a scientifically-provable democratic society that is acceptable to the rational minds from all cultures.

If you mean socialism or communism, then no. Communism was a scientific hypothesis when first formulated. All its predictions failed, and therefore anybody with intellectual honesty had to discard the theories of communism. But what communists did was to make excuses for the failure of their predictions, and modify the theory to make it unfalsifiable. Falsifiability is the first and foremost requirement of a scientific hypothesis or theory. The communists made up their theory in such a way that whatever happens, whether 'A' occurs or 'not A' (its opposite) occurs, they would claim to be a validification of their theory.

This seminal paper on falsification and the philosophy of science by Karl Popper elucidates that. Here is a short talk he gave about it - it is not specific to marxism, but alludes to it among other unscientific theories:

Sir Karl Popper "Science as Falsification," 1963

 

[unbiasedopinion]

baba ramdev and the honorable defence minister should first donate their bones for this exemplar research... lead by example, i say !!

Dont worry we will give you a chance to have the privilege for this noble cause.

 

[HariPrasad]

vastu shastra is plain superstition.

"energies flowing in from the door in the south-west"

You may consider that as superstitious. I do not mind but what about the huge texts which teaches you about how to construct huge temples and palaces without cement?

Scientists should embark on "research" to determine whether these knowledge were looted from the ancient Dravidians aka Tamils and repackaged as Aryan inventions ?

Actually scientist should investigate why some people are so much butt hurt.

 

[manlion]

You may consider that as superstitious. I do not mind but what about the huge texts which teaches you about how to construct huge temples and palaces without cement?

Actually scientist should investigate why some people are so much butt hurt.

if not for Tamils there wont be Hinduism in Hindia ... and there would be nothing left for Hindutva fascists to boast about 'their' so called ancient sages ( who were none other than Tamil sages/siddhas )

By Biswadeep Chakraborty in Bhakti and Bhakti Movement. ... First, the bhakti movement which had originated in the non-Aryan culture of Tamil was incorporated into Brahmanism.. The main aim of the Nayanars and Alvars was to save Hinduismfrom being eclipsed by ...

Bhakti Movement | Biswadeep Chakraborty - Academia.edu

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

if not for Tamils there wont be Hinduism in Hindia ... and there would be nothing left for Hindutva fascists to boast about 'their' so called ancient sages ( who were none other than Tamil sages/siddhas )



Bhakti Movement | Biswadeep Chakraborty - Academia.edu

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