Ancient Sages Were Great Scientists: Defence Minister Parrikar

[jamahir]

So is most of any religion for that matter.

i have not prayed in 15+ years, if you must know.

 

[nForce]

i have not prayed in 15+ years, if you must know.

You identify yourself as a muslim ?

 

[Viny]

vastu shastra is plain superstition.

"energies flowing in from the door in the south-west"

Eclipse was supersition not many hundred of years ago.
If we dont know it doesnt mean its doesnt exist.
Same goes with some old traditional sciences, they might hold 100% truth in current era, or we might not having all the basis to prove there truth.

Fact that people have documented methods with precisions, it must have been part of some scientific experiments. Which evolved in due process of architectural knowledge development.


And as many posters said above, an ability to question and a quest to find knoweldge is what a scientist is all about. So for sure Sages had many questions for which they worked upon to get some answers like how our current gen educated researchers do.

 

[ranjeet]

i have not prayed in 15+ years, if you must know.

But you religiously follow Gaddafi, its perverted version of praying.

 

[jamahir]

You identify yourself as a muslim ?

muslim socialist or true muslim or socialist - all mean the same in my opinion.

Eclipse was supersition not many hundred of years ago.
If we dont know it doesnt mean its doesnt exist.
Same goes with some old traditional sciences, they might hold 100% truth in current era, or we might not having all the basis to prove there truth.

Fact that people have documented methods with precisions, it must have been part of some scientific experiments. Which evolved in due process of architectural knowledge development.


And as many posters said above, an ability to question and a quest to find knoweldge is what a scientist is all about. So for sure Sages had many questions for which they worked upon to get some answers like how our current gen educated researchers do.

let me give another example - the old south asian fakery tradition of "jhaad phook" ( exorcism by beating and other methods ) has been replaced by another fakery, psychiatry.

you should read this essay ( death to the incapable - until revolution ).

But you religiously follow Gaddafi, its perverted version of praying.

but i do think that he also made certain mistakes.

 

[nForce]

muslim socialist or true muslim or socialist - all mean the same in my opinion.

So you believe in superstition.

 

[jamahir]

So you believe in superstition.

how??

 

[nForce]

how??

if vastu shastra is superstition, then so is Islam.

 

[jamahir]

if vastu shastra is superstition, then so is Islam.

islam has minimal rituals compared to others and is more about practical solutions to economic, social and political issues.

i will quote my own reply ( to samudra manthan ) from two days ago on a similar line...

you have a fair point.

i have always maintained ( and said a few times on pdf ) that going on hajj does not imbue the pilgrim with magic and automatic safety... hajj is more a remembrance and personal journey than worship to be performed among astounding masses... over the centuries and especially in the last 40 years ( with more usage of airplanes ), it has become a hurried and impatient and massive ritualist picnic where many people take selfies to prove to others than they have been on hajj and when the hajis return, their relatives visit them and say salaams in a wonderous way and try to extract some "magic" out of the hajis... this behavior becomes idolatry and not the intent of the orginal hajj... this is especially true among modern indian muslims ( of the last 25 years ), among whom there is another phenomenon of going on three hajj's in seven or eight years and this is especially done so by the neo-middlle-income muslims.

i find this behaviour obscene and non-islamic.



i will copy here part of reply to another member months ago...

"my concept about god is closest to the islami thought of the formless presence who begets not, nor was he born ( from a creature )... this presence is not affected by worship or human hope.

the nepal earthquake demolished the prayer houses of buddhists,hindus, muslims, christians... and some of these had stood for centuries and been visited by countless daily worshipers and pilgrims... all those idols and accepted shapes of the prayer houses and their special establishment rituals were of no help.

what was this earthquake that destroyed in seconds the human imaginings of "the divine"... the earthquake was nature... perhaps nature is god and god is nature... immovable, undefeatable, existent.

in 2013, russia saw a passage in its skies of a meteor from space... it arrived without much warning and didn't even have to touch the ground to indirectly injure 7000+ people and damage 1000+ buildings... this world hangs delicate in the vastness of space and in space no understanding of human religion can make effect... i see space as the outer nature, the real nature.

what if a mad-man with the capabilities of elon musk were to go out into the "asteroid belt" ( between mars and jupiter ) and put rocket engines onto three 1-km wide asteroids, push them towards earth and smash them into riyadh, varanasi and vatican... would these three centers of extreme belief in religious mysticism survive the impacts??

the mad-man can claim that he is doing the work of nature, of god... and his belief will stand supreme to the belief of every religious believer on this world."

indeed, when chengiz khan rampaged through the muslim lands, defeating them, he told them collectively that it must be so that they had gone away from the path of god and committed sins and he was the punishment god ordained for them.

 

[nForce]

islam has minimal rituals compared to others and is more about practical solutions to economic, social and political issues.

i will quote my own reply ( to samudra manthan ) from two days ago on a similar line...

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

 

[Mythal]

islam has minimal rituals compared to others and is more about practical solutions to economic, social and political issues.

i will quote my own reply ( to samudra manthan ) from two days ago on a similar line...

Every religion's superstition's apologists try to find an interpretation of their superstition that makes it seem more practical in the modern era.

 

[jamahir]

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

it brought simplicity and justice to its immediate society and to the wider world at its time of establishment.

do you know that islam has no king and priest system??

do you know that the modern indian "civil marriage" system indirectly borrows from the islami procedure of wedding and marriage??

i call islam as early socialism but which was in a long line of socialist thought and which was succeeded by others.

Every religion's superstition's apologists try to find an interpretation of their superstition that makes it seem more practical in the modern era.

in one of my earliest posts on pdf, one year ago, i said i wanted a future communist humanity with all older religions abolished.

 

[nForce]

it brought simplicity and justice to its immediate society and to the wider world at its time of establishment.

do you know that islam has no king and priest system??

do you know that the modern indian "civil marriage" system indirectly borrows from the islami procedure of wedding and marriage??

i call islam as early socialism but which was in a long line of socialist thought and which was succeeded by others.

It is a faith without no concrete justification, just like any other religion.

Every religion brought something good to the table. Nothing unique there.

 

[Mythal]

in one of my earliest posts on pdf, one year ago, i said i wanted a future communist humanity with all older religions abolished.

Older than?

 

[jamahir]

Every religion brought something good to the table. Nothing unique there.

surely some more than others.

but of course, i am quite aware of my bias.

Older than?

older than "the communist manifesto".