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Analysis: Only Iraqis can win the war By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

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Analysis: Only Iraqis can win the war By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
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WASHINGTON - The harder President Bush has pushed to win in Iraq, the closer he has come to losing. The question no longer is whether the U.S. military can fully stabilize Iraq. It cannot. That was a possibility four years ago, immediately after Saddam Hussein's government fell. Before the insurgency took hold. Before U.S. occupation authorities lost any chance to avoid the sectarian strife of today's Iraq. Now only the Iraqis can save Iraq.

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They need the U.S. military's help, no doubt. But the Bush administration has made no secret of the fact that the U.S. troop buildup in Baghdad is simply buying time for the Iraqis to sort out their differences, create a government of national unity and show they can defend themselves.

So it is not whether the U.S. can win the war. It is whether the Iraqis can, which is in great doubt.

With limited sign of progress in Baghdad, U.S. officials are asking themselves how long it makes sense to tolerate an escalating rate of U.S. casualties — at least 3,576 dead since the war began in March 2003 — while the Iraqis debate and delay.

In a speech Thursday, Bush struck a notably optimistic tone about his strategy and gave no indication he was ready to give up or change approach. Yet he lowered the bar on expectations and cited Israel as a model for defining success in Iraq: a functioning democracy that nonetheless absorbs terrorist attacks.

Among the questions central to the debate in Washington over winding up the conflict without widening it are:

_How much worse might things get if U.S. troops left and the sectarian killing escalated?

_Would Turkey, Iran or other neighboring states intervene militarily?

_Would the al-Qaida terrorist organization inside Iraq secure a lasting haven from which it could launch attacks across the region? "Lighting the Middle East on fire," is how one Pentagon insider sees that outcome.

While there is no clear way out, there remains a reasonable basis for hope of escaping a collapse of the war effort.

It still is possible that the troop buildup, under way since January, will reduce sectarian violence in Baghdad enough to create the maneuvering room that Iraqi leaders need to make critical political progress.

According to Frederick Kagan, an American Enterprise Institute analyst who recently visited Baghdad and is a leading supporter of the current strategy, the truly decisive phase of the current campaign will begin in late July or early August. He predicts that phase will bring much lower levels of violence by year's end.

The trends so far, however, are not encouraging and the political tides are not favorable, either in Washington or Baghdad.

Just this past week a leading Republican voice on foreign affairs, Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, broke ranks with Bush. Lugar said he had reached the conclusion that sticking with the current strategy will not serve U.S. security interests.

He also said it is almost impossible to establish a stable government in Baghdad in a reasonable time.

Other prominent Republicans, such as Sen. John Warner of Virginia, have indicated their patience is running out.

Time, indeed, seems to be working against Bush — in the political arena and on the battlefield.

The longer that U.S. forces fight, the more creative and deadly the insurgents become, the farther U.S. public support erodes and the more remote seem the chances that when troops finally leave, the outcome will look like victory.

The risk is that it may resemble defeat.

One more worry is the wear and tear on the Army and Marine Corps. The services were straining to keep up a staggering pace of troop rotations even before Bush decided to send thousands more into and around Baghdad and before the Pentagon decided that rotations would be extended from 12 months — already viewed by many as too long — to 15 months.

That is why, if Bush concludes in the months ahead that his strategy for securing Baghdad is not working fast enough, he may feel compelled to find a different approach, perhaps reducing the U.S. combat role without abandoning Iraq. He has hinted at such a transition possibly coming next year.

That could explain why Bush and other administration officials recently have cited South Korea as a possible model for the long-term U.S. military role in Iraq. The idea would be to work out an agreement with the Iraqi government to keep at least a tripwire U.S. force there to train with Iraqi troops and to act as a deterrent.

The point is that instead of completely abandoning Iraq, as the U.S. did in Vietnam in the 1970s, the U.S. would maintain a presence large enough to protect its broader interests in the Persian Gulf region.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — Robert Burns has been covering military and national security affairs for The Associated Press since 1990
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What does Iraqi mean??.

Does it refer to the Iraqi Kurds, minority Sunnis or majority Shias. Problem lies with the dichotomy in the US policies in Iraq. If US out and out favours the Kurds in the northern Iraq, she would invite the ire of Turkey who would like to annex Iraqi Kurdistan and crush the Kurdish independence movement. This is also likely to happens if there is a major sectarian fight between the Arab population.

US can't possibly mean the Sunni minority. It is the Sunni population where most of the Saddam supporters belong and where the Al Quaida movement has roots and where all the suicide bombers are coming from.

Surely, US policy makers can't mean the Shia majority. This is where Iranian influence comes into play. US would like to attack Iran to thwart her nuclear ambitions. How can US accept Shias winning as they would be attacking US interests inside Iraq if Iran is attacked.

US would like a liberal ( means anti Salafin/AlQuaida) government but the one not dominated by the Iranian sympathizers. This is the real dilemna. Think eventually US would have to turn tail and pack up just as they did in Veitnam and UN did in Somalia. Iraqis then have decide whether to sink into a civil war or the better sense would eventually prevail and a national government can be formed.
 
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Niaz Sir,

I knew i could count on you to reply. if the US pack up and go. The bloodshed is going to be so bad. Iraq has become the battleground of Saudi Arabia's and Iran's struggle for regional dominance. Actually Americans are shooting at all sides. I only see a partition of Iraq as a solution. If not a 3 way, Why not a 2 way; that is a sunni and shia. Therefore Turkey wouldnt have a problem. What can be made to make sure Turkey agrees to a Kurdistan.
 
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What does Iraqi mean??.

Does it refer to the Iraqi Kurds, minority Sunnis or majority Shias. Problem lies with the dichotomy in the US policies in Iraq. If US out and out favours the Kurds in the northern Iraq, she would invite the ire of Turkey who would like to annex Iraqi Kurdistan and crush the Kurdish independence movement. This is also likely to happens if there is a major sectarian fight between the Arab population.

US can't possibly mean the Sunni minority. It is the Sunni population where most of the Saddam supporters belong and where the Al Quaida movement has roots and where all the suicide bombers are coming from.

Surely, US policy makers can't mean the Shia majority. This is where Iranian influence comes into play. US would like to attack Iran to thwart her nuclear ambitions. How can US accept Shias winning as they would be attacking US interests inside Iraq if Iran is attacked.

US would like a liberal ( means anti Salafin/AlQuaida) government but the one not dominated by the Iranian sympathizers. This is the real dilemna. Think eventually US would have to turn tail and pack up just as they did in Veitnam and UN did in Somalia. Iraqis then have decide whether to sink into a civil war or the better sense would eventually prevail and a national government can be formed.


or that Iraq split into a three parts

the kurds live on thier own , Iran takes shi'te part and Saudi Arabia takes the sunni part.
lol it can't happen because if the kurds get an independtant state then they will be asking indepenant states in Iran, Turkey, Azebijan
Neither do I think the US make any difference at all
In fact making the situation worse.
 
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if the US pack up and go. The bloodshed is going to be so bad. Iraq has become the battleground of Saudi Arabia's and Iran's struggle for regional dominance. Actually Americans are shooting at all sides. I only see a partition of Iraq as a solution. If not a 3 way, Why not a 2 way; that is a sunni and shia. Therefore Turkey wouldnt have a problem. What can be made to make sure Turkey agrees to a Kurdistan.
That will again not acceptable to Uncle! It mean a much more larger and stronger Iran with Shia Iraq as a brother state. It also mean a more powerfull Al-Qaida with Sunni state of Iraq in turmoil! A so called 'safe heaven' for the Jihadis, in BOTH parts!
The only solution lye in thier packing up and go! Let Iraqis decide how they want to live.
Kashif
 
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Here's my prediction if the U.S. pulls out. (hopefully some of you will remember the example of what happened to Yugoslavia after Tito died.)
The Kurds separate into their own homeland. Turkey unhappy with a Kurdish homeland on it's border begins operations within said new country causing chaos. there will be a low level war for at least a decade after.

The southern region will as been pointed out become a battle between Iran and it's proxies and Sunni nations and their proxies. This war would be even more bloody and would keep the region in chaos for the next 15-20 years.
 
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That will again not acceptable to Uncle! It mean a much more larger and stronger Iran with Shia Iraq as a brother state. It also mean a more powerfull Al-Qaida with Sunni state of Iraq in turmoil! A so called 'safe heaven' for the Jihadis, in BOTH parts!
The only solution lye in thier packing up and go! Let Iraqis decide how they want to live.
Kashif

Are you telling me having Al-aqeda is ok
 
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Who am I to tell you this. You are 'intelligent' enough to draw your own conclusions!
Kashif

My conculsion is very well made, that you support al-qaeda. Please be very careful, just a suggestion.
 
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