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By Myra MacDonald

LONDON (Reuters) - Washington's focus on Pakistan and economic dependence on China are forcing India to reassess its own place in South Asia, reviving long-standing fears of strategic encirclement by its giant northern neighbour.

Analysts say Indian suspicions about China, suppressed during the boom years by burgeoning trade ties, have been stoked by Chinese involvement in Pakistan and a sense that Beijing has replaced India as the favoured friend of the U.S. in the region.

"There is a very strong feeling that China is India's threat number one," said Subhash Kapila at the South Asia Analysis Group, an Indian think-tank.

Under former President George W. Bush, the United States forged close ties with India -- in part seeing it as a counterweight to growing Chinese power -- culminating in a deal effectively recognising its nuclear-armed status.

India and China also made efforts to mend relations soured by a border war in 1962, while their growing clout in the world economy earned them the nickname "Chindia".

But with the financial crisis highlighting U.S. dependence on Beijing to bankroll its debt, India is fretting that while it acquired a friendship, China bought the U.S. economy.

"During the Bush era, U.S. policy was seeking to build India as a counterweight to China," Brahma Chellaney, from India's Centre for Policy Research, said at a conference in London.

"As this was going on the Chinese and U.S. economic ties were getting thicker and thicker," he said. "'Chimerica' is more meaningful than 'Chindia'."

Long Pakistan's closest ally, China has been steadily building ties with India's other neighbours, supplying weapons to Sri Lanka and improving its relationship with Myanmar and Nepal, all stoking Indian fears of strategic encirclement.

"India has been gradually ceding space in its own backyard, especially to China," said Chellaney.

China has stressed it sees no competition with India, but rather that both can benefit from rising bilateral trade as well as cooperation on issues where the two countries share similar views, including on Doha trade talks and climate change.

"Neither of the two poses a threat to the other," Ma Jiali, from China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, told the conference in London.

Until very recently, India shared that view and set aside distrust which lingered on from its defeat by China in the 1962 war. At the same time the government also played down alleged incursions along the disputed border to avoid spoiling the mood.

"There was this euphoria that trade is booming," said Professor Dibyesh Anand at London's University of Westminster.

That mood is now shifting, with attention turning again to tensions over the 3,500-km (2,200-mile) border, particularly Chinese claims to the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

India's air force chief said in May that China presented a greater threat than Pakistan because New Delhi knew little about Beijing's combat capabilities.

"The public mood is very much that Pakistan is the unreformed enemy, China cannot be trusted," Anand said.


CO-OPERATION IN PAKISTAN

That traditional distrust of India's two main rivals has been fused together by Washington's renewed focus on Pakistan.

President Barack Obama's administration is not only pouring money into Pakistan, but also looking to China to help put pressure on Islamabad to crack down on the militants.

"Their entire policy revolves around China," Kapila said.

As well as supplying weapons to Pakistan, China has been expanding its economic interests there, notably through funding the new Gwadar deep sea port on Pakistan's Arabian Sea to give it access to Middle East oil supplies.

"Pakistan's reliance on both the U.S. and China for aid and diplomatic support means that coordinated approaches from Washington and Beijing provide the best chance for impacting Pakistani policies in a way that encourages regional stability," Lisa Curtis, from the Heritage Foundation think tank, told a Congressional hearing in Washington.

In the meantime, India, which broke off peace talks with Pakistan after last November's attack on Mumbai, fears it may come under U.S. pressure to reduce tensions so that Islamabad can focus on fighting its Taliban insurgency.

The newly re-elected Congress-led government has yet to spell out how it plans to navigate a political and economic environment which has changed radically in recent months.

Anand, who described India as suffering "a schizophrenia between arrogance and helplessness", said the country had no real reason to feel under siege and should actually welcome the United States asking China to help in Pakistan.

He said the government should aim to carve out a long-term foreign policy that managed to rise above the public mood.

With both India and China competing overseas for energy and other resources, the foreign policy decisions made by the new government could determine how far New Delhi succeeds in securing supplies overseas to fuel its growing economy.

"They are rivals for a lot of energy projects against each other, although on occasions they have submitted joint bids; they have tried to cooperate," said Beijing-based British author Jasper Becker.

But according to Anand, projecting Indian influence overseas will require a shift in India's self-perception that goes beyond seeing itself as a victim of Pakistan and China.
ANALYSIS - India casts wary eye on China's role in Pakistan | Top News | Reuters
 
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As well as supplying weapons to Pakistan, China has been expanding its economic interests there, notably through funding the new Gwadar deep sea port on Pakistan's Arabian Sea to give it access to Middle East oil supplies.

These Indians are very cunning. The double face of these people becomes apparent. On this forum they always pretend that they couldn't care any less about Gwadar or the Pakistan-China relation. Yet, their own analysts and army generals are having sleepless nights over the Gwadar port. Well, I'm glad that Pakistan has sought China for development in Pakistan. China-Pakistan relation is only going to strengthen. Not only are the Chinese our main supplier of defence equipment, but we will also become a big trading partner of China. Pakistan will serve as a safe and reliable corridor for the trade and energy needs of China with CAS and the ME. In return, Pakistan is going to earn transit fees. It's a massive win-win for both sides. The commonality of our mutual interests is what binds us together. Indians are having a massive heart attack because they are going to be excluded. India is going to be left in the cold and not enjoy any benefits from the most efficient and cost-effective trade route through Pakistan. Gwadar is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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These Indians are very cunning. The double face of these people becomes apparent. On this forum they always pretend that they couldn't care any less about Gwadar or the Pakistan-China relation. Yet, their own analysts and army generals are having sleepless nights over the Gwadar port.

Cunning? Does'nt your country take actions solely for its own interest?

Yes we would have deep worries on this port. But not for the reasons mentioned by you. This port gives you a strategic depth. Being far away from India, you are immune to any effective port blocking from INDIA. Also, it allows china to effectively monitor India.

In return, Pakistan is going to earn transit fees. It's a massive win-win for both sides. The commonality of our mutual interests is what binds us together. Indians are having a massive heart attack because they are going to be excluded. India is going to be left in the cold and not enjoy any benefits from the most efficient and cost-effective trade route through Pakistan. Gwadar is just the tip of the iceberg.
I can understand your passion and love for your country. But do give due regards to your enemy, once in a while. Just do a Google for my country's economy. You might be surprised.
 
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^^ Yep, I hope we allow China to eavesdrop Indian activity. We surely are going to monitor any moves you make in the Indian Ocean. Another great advantage of the Gwadar port. It also provides us another deep seaport far away from Indian proximity and influence.

Why should I give credit when the poor in your country have become poorer? I would have given credit had the poor Indians enjoyed the benefit from the economic boom. That's not the case so nothing to be jolly about.
 
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Yep, I hope we allow China to eavesdrop Indian activity.
Thats actually funny.

Why should I give credit when the poor in your country have become poorer? I would have given credit had the poor Indians enjoyed the benefit from the economic boom. That's not the case so nothing to be jolly about.
I assume you don't have background in world economy. We can't debate on YOUR assertion's. Anyway, i don't have to prove my country's growth to you. You will be better served by doing some simple searches on Google. Adios.
 
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^^ Yep, I hope we allow China to eavesdrop Indian activity. We surely are going to monitor any moves you make in the Indian Ocean. Another great advantage of the Gwadar port. It also provides us another deep seaport far away from Indian proximity and influence.

Why should I give credit when the poor in your country have become poorer? I would have given credit had the poor Indians enjoyed the benefit from the economic boom. That's not the case so nothing to be jolly about.

actually their poor are getting LESS poorer. India is now on the bottom of the mid-income country list.
 
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By Myra MacDonald

LONDON (Reuters) - Washington's focus on Pakistan and economic dependence on China are forcing India to reassess its own place in South Asia, reviving long-standing fears of strategic encirclement by its giant northern neighbour.

Analysts say Indian suspicions about China, suppressed during the boom years by burgeoning trade ties, have been stoked by Chinese involvement in Pakistan and a sense that Beijing has replaced India as the favoured friend of the U.S. in the region.

"There is a very strong feeling that China is India's threat number one," said Subhash Kapila at the South Asia Analysis Group, an Indian think-tank.

Under former President George W. Bush, the United States forged close ties with India -- in part seeing it as a counterweight to growing Chinese power -- culminating in a deal effectively recognising its nuclear-armed status.

India and China also made efforts to mend relations soured by a border war in 1962, while their growing clout in the world economy earned them the nickname "Chindia".

But with the financial crisis highlighting U.S. dependence on Beijing to bankroll its debt, India is fretting that while it acquired a friendship, China bought the U.S. economy.

"During the Bush era, U.S. policy was seeking to build India as a counterweight to China," Brahma Chellaney, from India's Centre for Policy Research, said at a conference in London.

"As this was going on the Chinese and U.S. economic ties were getting thicker and thicker," he said. "'Chimerica' is more meaningful than 'Chindia'."

Long Pakistan's closest ally, China has been steadily building ties with India's other neighbours, supplying weapons to Sri Lanka and improving its relationship with Myanmar and Nepal, all stoking Indian fears of strategic encirclement.

"India has been gradually ceding space in its own backyard, especially to China," said Chellaney.

China has stressed it sees no competition with India, but rather that both can benefit from rising bilateral trade as well as cooperation on issues where the two countries share similar views, including on Doha trade talks and climate change.

"Neither of the two poses a threat to the other," Ma Jiali, from China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, told the conference in London.

Until very recently, India shared that view and set aside distrust which lingered on from its defeat by China in the 1962 war. At the same time the government also played down alleged incursions along the disputed border to avoid spoiling the mood.

"There was this euphoria that trade is booming," said Professor Dibyesh Anand at London's University of Westminster.

That mood is now shifting, with attention turning again to tensions over the 3,500-km (2,200-mile) border, particularly Chinese claims to the northeastern state of Arunachal Pradesh.

India's air force chief said in May that China presented a greater threat than Pakistan because New Delhi knew little about Beijing's combat capabilities.

"The public mood is very much that Pakistan is the unreformed enemy, China cannot be trusted," Anand said.


CO-OPERATION IN PAKISTAN

That traditional distrust of India's two main rivals has been fused together by Washington's renewed focus on Pakistan.

President Barack Obama's administration is not only pouring money into Pakistan, but also looking to China to help put pressure on Islamabad to crack down on the militants.

"Their entire policy revolves around China," Kapila said.

As well as supplying weapons to Pakistan, China has been expanding its economic interests there, notably through funding the new Gwadar deep sea port on Pakistan's Arabian Sea to give it access to Middle East oil supplies.

"Pakistan's reliance on both the U.S. and China for aid and diplomatic support means that coordinated approaches from Washington and Beijing provide the best chance for impacting Pakistani policies in a way that encourages regional stability," Lisa Curtis, from the Heritage Foundation think tank, told a Congressional hearing in Washington.

In the meantime, India, which broke off peace talks with Pakistan after last November's attack on Mumbai, fears it may come under U.S. pressure to reduce tensions so that Islamabad can focus on fighting its Taliban insurgency.

The newly re-elected Congress-led government has yet to spell out how it plans to navigate a political and economic environment which has changed radically in recent months.

Anand, who described India as suffering "a schizophrenia between arrogance and helplessness", said the country had no real reason to feel under siege and should actually welcome the United States asking China to help in Pakistan.

He said the government should aim to carve out a long-term foreign policy that managed to rise above the public mood.

With both India and China competing overseas for energy and other resources, the foreign policy decisions made by the new government could determine how far New Delhi succeeds in securing supplies overseas to fuel its growing economy.

"They are rivals for a lot of energy projects against each other, although on occasions they have submitted joint bids; they have tried to cooperate," said Beijing-based British author Jasper Becker.

But according to Anand, projecting Indian influence overseas will require a shift in India's self-perception that goes beyond seeing itself as a victim of Pakistan and China.
ANALYSIS - India casts wary eye on China's role in Pakistan | Top News | Reuters

It is therefore imperative for India to make peace with Pakistan, Myanmar, Bhutan,Nepal and Bangal desh based on Just grievances of its neighbors
 
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LONDON (June 02 2009): Washington's focus on Pakistan and economic dependence on China are forcing India to reassess its own place in South Asia, reviving long-standing fears of strategic encirclement by its giant northern neighbour. Analysts say Indian suspicions about China, suppressed during the boom years by burgeoning trade ties, have been stoked by Chinese involvement in Pakistan and a sense that Beijing has replaced India as the favoured friend of the US in the region.

"There is a very strong feeling that China is India's threat number one," said Subhash Kapila at the South Asia Analysis Group, an Indian think-tank. Under former President George W. Bush, the United States forged close ties with India - in part seeing it as a counterweight to growing Chinese power - culminating in a deal effectively recognising its nuclear-armed status.

India and China also made efforts to mend relations soured by a border war in 1962, while their growing clout in the world economy earned them the nickname "Chindia". "During the Bush era, US policy was seeking to build India as a counterweight to China," Brahma Chellaney, from India's Centre for Policy Research, said at a conference in London. Long Pakistan's closest ally, China has been steadily building ties with India's other neighbours, supplying weapons to Sri Lanka and improving its relationship with Myanmar and Nepal, all stoking Indian fears of strategic encirclement.

"India has been gradually ceding space in its own backyard, especially to China," said Chellaney. China has stressed it sees no competition with India, but rather that both can benefit from rising bilateral trade as well as co-operation on issues where the two countries share similar views, including on Doha trade talks and climate change. "Neither of the two poses a threat to the other," Ma Jiali, from China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, told the conference in London.

Until very recently, India shared that view and set aside distrust which lingered on from its defeat by China in the 1962 war. At the same time the government also played down alleged incursions along the disputed border to avoid spoiling the mood.
 
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Beijing and its policies are new to Indian neighbors. Right now they might enjoy the dragon but we have to see that for how long they might get along. Sooner or later someone is bound to snap and that might be the opening that india look for, Specially when Chinese also have East Turkistan movement going on

Mayanmar, BD cannot co-exist in same thread.

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Cunning? Does'nt your country take actions solely for its own interest?

Yes we would have deep worries on this port. But not for the reasons mentioned by you. This port gives you a strategic depth. Being far away from India, you are immune to any effective port blocking from INDIA. Also, it allows china to effectively monitor India.


I can understand your passion and love for your country. But do give due regards to your enemy, once in a while. Just do a Google for my country's economy. You might be surprised.

Your countries economy is a f contribution to you so that you could be used against Pakistan if needed,

and you are readily willing to do the dirty work for others for the sake of contracts and lucrative business deals.

they have many choices, but the rather give you to keep you under their influence and task you when your services required.
 
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as a country we can't depend on the americans to safe-guard 'our' interests...we need to have the political will for that....all the americans want is that no country should have the capability to launch WMDs to the mainland america....or carry out tactical terror strikes...fair enough...but they'd not really support us in our disputes...it's the same with every country...
the only reason that china is able to extend it's influence to our back-yard is becasue they are more capable have the political will and are richer and more militarily capable...unless we stop depending on the other powers...we wont achieve much....
 
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