An interesting incident from Indo-Pak war 1965

[Hamza913]

The fact is, India captured 2/3ds of Kashmir

1/3 less than it would have gotten if it was able to defend itself properly from Pakistan.

occupied Lahore during 65

cut Pakistan in two parts

Neither half joined India, and millions of Hindus were killed. Not exactly an achievement for India.

captured strategic parts of Baltistan(Turtuk), Captured Siachen

That's recapturing some land Pakistan took in 1947 lol. You also glossed over the loss of Chamb sector and parts of Ran of Kutch.

and captured Pakistani peaks in 99

Even historically

Also the fact some Pakistanis are trying to claim figures like Tipu Sultan and Chandragupta Maurya a=who were all born in and had their roots in India shows just how insecure they are.

Tipu Sultan's family came from the Punjab, don't be dumb. As for Chandragupta Maurya, he came to study in Taxila since your watan apparently wasn't good enough.

haha you always have this double game. Nobody is gonna buy that.

Tough cookies, facts are facts.

The ruler wanted to stay independent

Sure, that's why he tried to cleanse the region of Muslims.

Not denying the strategic value of it

It's not just one, it's multiple.

The war started with Pakistan trying to infiltrate into Kashmir

No, as I said previously, that's what CAUSED India to start the war.

and it is not disputed according to us

Yes it is lol, that's why you claim the rest, call the border along it the LOC and took the Siachen when you realised it was vulnerable.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

1/3 less than it would have gotten if it was able to defend itself properly from Pakistan.







Neither half joined India, and millions of Hindus were killed. Not exactly an achievement for India.



That's recapturing some land Pakistan took in 1947 lol. You also glossed over the loss of Chamb sector and parts of Ran of Kutch.











Tipu Sultan's family came from the Punjab, don't be dumb. As for Chandragupta Maurya, he came to study in Taxila since your watan apparently wasn't good enough.

Dograi is a major suburb of Lahore, and the Indian Army was occupying it while Tashkent was being signed. Meanwhile Pakistan failed to take anything other than some deserts in Rajasthan, as supported by many neutral sources. Today, India occupies the Sir Creek, which Pakistan claims as its territory. So there go your claims about taking parts of Kutch. Millions of Muslims were killed in 71 and 70,000 of you surrendered, we also turned your entrance into our unstable territory into a subservient ally. And 5310 and several other peaks were part of Pakistan but are now occupied by India, so consider that if you want to talk about that 5353 thing that has already been debunked.

Tipu Sultan was a South Indian who knew Kannada but no Punjabi. And regardless of where he studied, Chandragupta Maurya incaded the Indus from the Ganges and occupied it, like many who followed. And most major achievements from South Asia came from the Gangetic Plains anyway.

 

[Rusty]

The fact is, India captured 2/3ds of Kashmir, occupied Lahore during 65, cut Pakistan in two parts, captured strategic parts of Baltistan(Turtuk), Captured Siachen, and captured Pakistani peaks in 99. Pakistanis don't want to admit this, but they have crushed and defeated by India more times than can be counted. Even historically Indian empires like the Marathas, Vijayanagar, the Ahoms, various Rajput states, etc. have defeated and crushed Muslim invadors who subjugated what is now Pakistan. Pakistanis have literally been enslaved and humiliated for a thousand years and they want to project their insecurities and humiliations on us, the historical victors.


Punjab is not the wealthiest state in India. By GDP Maharahshtra and Gujarat are wealthier, by development Kerala and Goa rank higher

Also the fact some Pakistanis are trying to claim figures like Tipu Sultan and Chandragupta Maurya a=who were all born in and had their roots in India shows just how insecure they are.

You need ESL classes.
Not really helping to debunk the low IQ Indian meme

 

[Cobra Arbok]

You need ESL classes.
Not really helping to debunk the low IQ Indian meme

I am sorry the facts make you butthurt. @Chhatrapati @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer

 

[Rusty]

I am sorry the facts make you butthurt. @Chhatrapati @Nilgiri @Joe Shearer

I'm sorry that you can't read English so you get humiliated.

I never claimed Punjab was the richest province in India.
Your lack of English abilities lead you to this humiliation.

 

[Hamza913]

Meanwhile Pakistan failed to take anything

And we were on the defensive, so all we needed to do was halt your advance, which we did.

Dograi is a major suburb of Lahore, and the Indian Army was occupying it while Tashkent was being signed.

Keep telling yourself you occupied Lahore lol, maybe it well help you forget who signed the ceasefire first and whose PM died of a heart attack afterwards.

So there go your claims about taking parts of Kutch.

You actually deny that? This is too funny lmao.

Millions of Muslims were killed in 71

Literally everyone agrees Hindus made up the bulk of the casualties, now keep trying to cope.

And 5310 and several other peaks were part of Pakistan but are now occupied by India

we also turned your entrance into our unstable territory into a subservient ally.

Your border with Bangladesh is literally more armed than your border with us, they're flooding you with illegals, and their independence still shatters your dream of an Akhand Bharat. You've quite literally gained zilch.

Tipu Sultan was a South Indian who knew Kannada but no Punjabi.

Regardless, his family originally came from the Punjab.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...nd-tumakuru-district/articleshow/61574823.cms

 

[Chhatrapati]

You're actually retarded, we are related to all the people/groups I listed, and many of them came from what is now Pakistan too. The fact that you're still barking this autism shows you're either really dumb or just ignored everything I said because it's too much for you to bear.

LOL! I don't know what Analogy is that, your invader becomes you. Your full BS was debunked a lot in other threads. I'm not interested in repeating it over.

LOL! Indus Valley Civilisation, the first civilisation in the region (and one of the first in the world) came from what is now Pakistan, the Vedic civilisation that gave you Hinduism started in what is now Pakistan, and the Sikh Empire came from what is now Pakistan. the Rai dynasty, Paratarajas, Ror dynasty and Samma dynasty also all came from what is now Pakistan and felt no need to touch the filth of the Ganges. Heck, even your laad la Chandragupta Maurya came to study in what is now Pakistan (as did his teacher Kautilya) since your watan apparently wasn't good enough for him. Lahore, Peshawar, Taxila and Sialkot have also all acted as major cities for numerous empires in the region, and at the end of the day, your country is named after our river, not the other way around.

Give me one empire that ruled from today's Pakistan at least half of the subcontinent. Most of them shifted their empires to east knowing the vulnerability even the Kushans moved to Mathura which maybe the only significant empire that managed to rule from todays Pakistan. The Sikh empire couldn't even make it down to Rajputanas.
The rest are small kings who ruled over and tossed over without making much fuss.

Our watan was good enough that we had build great universities like Nalanda, Takshashila, Vikramashila etc... and why Kautilya left for Bihar? Because he was poor and went for wealthier pastures towards the East. Also, Chandragupta afaik never studied in Takshashila. The record suggests he was a student of Kautilya or Kautilya helped him in some point during his rebellion. Of course these are of different accounts.

 

[Hamza913]

And most major achievements from South Asia came from the Gangetic Plains anyway.

First civilisation? From the Indus. Greatest military commanders? From the Indus. Bakhshali Zero? From the Indus. Greatest sculptures? From the Indus. Earliest universities? From the Indus.

 

[Chhatrapati]

his family originally came from the Punjab.

Your source suggest his families were Arab mercenaries.

 

[Hamza913]

Your full BS was debunked a lot in other threads.

No it hasn't been, people just keep denying it without giving any good reason because it doesn't suit their agenda.

Give me one empire that ruled from today's Pakistan at least half of the subcontinent.

Ethnicity matters more than geography, and I'm sure you know just how much of the sub-continent the Ghiliji Pashtuns ruled over.

Our watan was good enough that we had build great universities like Nalanda, Takshashila

Taxila came from the Indus.

Also, Chandragupta afaik never studied in Takshashila.

You're simply wrong.

Your source suggest his families were Arab mercenaries.

Do you need help reading?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...nd-tumakuru-district/articleshow/61574823.cms

"In the adjoining room, a short door leads to 12 maqbaras (tombs). “This is where Tipu Sultan’s ancestors are buried. It tells the story of their roots,” declares Allahbaksh, an old member of the mosque. One of the tombs, draped in a black cloth with golden salma sitara embroidery, stands out. It is the tomb of Fateh Muhammad, Haider Ali’s father.

Fateh Muhammad, who is originally from Punjab, moved to Sira (in the present Tumakuru district) along with his father Muhammad Ali Khan and uncle Muhammad Wali Khan at a young age."

They did claim Syed ancestry, but they were Syeds from the Punjab.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

And we were on the defensive, so all we needed to do was halt your advance, which we did.



Keep telling yourself you occupied Lahore lol, maybe it well help you forget who signed the ceasefire first and whose PM died of a heart attack afterwards.





You actually deny that? This is too funny lmao.



Literally everyone agrees Hindus made up the bulk of the casualties, now keep trying to cope.







Your border with Bangladesh is literally more armed than your border with us, they're flooding you with illegals, and their independence still shatters your dream of an Akhand Bharat. You've quite literally gained zilch.



Regardless, his family originally came from the Punjab.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...nd-tumakuru-district/articleshow/61574823.cms

Like I said, Pakistan;s gains were limited to deserts of Rajasthan and was barely 200 sqm of territory, compared to almost 1000 sqm India captured in Punjab and Kashmir, including the Haji Pir Pass.Pakistan's attempt to capture land in Punjab through khem karan was also a failure.

Bangladeshi illegals can be dealt with easily, and we can simply shoot the Bangladeshis on site, some of them even complain about it. Still, it is beneficial not having the enemy sitting next to some sensitive territory. It would have been a nightmare dealing with Manipuri and Mizo rebellions if Pakistan was sitting next door. Plus we got highly strategic positions in Baltistan that we still hold today.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Pakistan and Indian Punjab to this day are some it the richest province in both countries.

Punjab in India is not even in top 10 richest in India. Even if we combine both India and Pak Punjab the combined the net effect will only put them in third spot behind Tamil Nadu.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

First civilisation? From the Indus. Greatest military commanders? From the Indus. Bakhshali Zero? From the Indus. Greatest sculptures? From the Indus. Earliest universities? From the Indus.

The first surgeries were from the Gangetic plains, and the decimal system was also invented by Arybhata. The world's longest epic literature was also composed in the Gangetic plains, and the oldest cities in
south Asia are in the Gangetic Plains(Including Varanasi, Patna, Prayagraj, etc.) The most powerful empires in South Asian history originated in Bihar, and the golden age of South Asia was during the Guptas. Also Buddhism originated in the Gangetic Plains.

But yeah the Indus has some great civilizational achievements as well. I was mostly just counter-trolling when I said that lolyou should know that by now.

 

[Hamza913]

Like I said, Pakistan;s gains were limited to deserts of Rajasthan and was barely 200 sqm of territory, compared to almost 1000 sqm India captured in Punjab and Kashmir, including the Haji Pir Pass.Pakistan's attempt to capture land in Punjab through khem karan was also a failure.

Bangladeshi illegals can be dealt with easily, and we can simply shoot the Bangladeshis on site, some of them even complain about it. Still, it is beneficial not having the enemy sitting next to some sensitive territory. It would have been a nightmare dealing with Manipuri and Mizo rebellions if Pakistan was sitting next door. Plus we got highly strategic positions in Baltistan that we still hold today.

To be very frank, me and you have been arguing the exact same points about Indo-Pak wars for the past year. I really don't think either of us is going to budge. I'm just going to drop it because I just don't have the willpower to repeat myself 50 times.

But that stuff about Bengalis. "Shoot on sight", kek.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Punjab in India is not even in top 10 richest in India. Even if we combine both India and Pak Punjab the combined the net effect will only put them in third spot behind Tamil Nadu.

I tried explaining that, but he did not want to listen.