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An Indian article that says it all.

There is only one way of looking at the Chinese President Xi Jinping’s maiden visit to Pakistan during which the two countries India has fought wars with signed 51 agreements between them. If monetised, it would mean that China would pour a whopping $46 billion into Pakistan once these agreements come to fruition.

This sum would be a good $15 billion more than the United States has pumped into Pakistan since 2002.

It conveys a chilling message to India – that Pakistan is about to become a far more powerful country only because the Chinese munificence. It also means that China is full steam ahead in empowering a nuclear-armed restive neighbour who will inevitably use its to-be-acquired economic and military strength against India.

Considering the fact that the Pakistan-China strategic partnership is coinciding with Pakistan’s fast-increasing strategic ties with Russia, a Pakistan-China-Russia axis is on the anvil. This is bad news for the Indian strategic establishment.


Chinese President Xi Jinping. AFP

This is a reality check for India and Narendra Modi who is planning to embark on his maiden prime ministerial visit to China in less than three weeks.

Much of the Chinese money is for building a modern equivalent of the fabled ancient Chinese Silk Route from central and western Asia through to the Middle East and Europe.

In monetary terms, the $46 billion Chinese funding for an ambitious 3,000-km-long China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) which will shorten the route for Chinese energy imports from the Middle East by 12,000 km, is the biggest overseas investment by China announced yet.

The CPEC corridor is expected to be operational within three years. And make no mistake about it that given the proven track record of China, Beijing will leave no stone unturned in completing the project on schedule, if not before time.

The project would link China’s far-western region to Pakistan’s Gwadar port (built with Chinese investment and technical expertise) and would provide 14,000 MW of electricity to the energy-starved Pakistan.

Once completed, the CPEC project would enlarge China’s strategic footprints in the Indian Ocean and would change the regional power matrix forever.

One of the fallouts would be that China would then wield a much more powerful influence in the Indian Ocean even though geographically speaking China is not an Indian Ocean power.

Moreover, once completed, the CPEC project would mean that the Chinese presence in entire Pakistan, including Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, becomes all pervasive and powerful.

This is a nightmarish scenario for the Indian strategic establishment. Needless to say, China’s hectic economic and so-called “commercial” engagement with Pakistan, which is nothing but a strategic gamechanger in the region, would go a long way in making Pakistan a richer and stronger entity than ever before.

This is truly a red rag for India given the fact that a strong and resurgent Pakistan would inevitably needle India all the more.

The doomsday scenario has a flip side too which is aimed at China. The seamless integration of China and Pakistan can bring in a major security headache for China. An adverse fallout of the CPEC project, from the Chinese viewpoint, is that China will be more vulnerable to the mushrooming jihadist elements in Pakistan.

In other words, China’s soft underbelly Xinjiang will inevitably be more prone to Pakistan-based jihadist elements exporting their terror ideology to China.

Thus far the Chinese mega investments across the globe have not had a significant security ramification for Beijing. But the CPEC project may change this situation forever. It is extremely likely that China’s Xinjiang province will be more exposed than ever before to the threat of jihadists based in Pakistan.

The agreements that poured in thick and fast between China and Pakistan during President Xi’s visit to Pakistan may actually become a running sore for China from the security point of view.

While India cannot obviously intervene or influence China-Pakistan bilateral relations, New Delhi will have to think out of the box and come up with pragmatic solutions in the shortest possible time.

India is not alone in this. The United States and its allies also find themselves at the wrong side of the Chinese stick.

China is invariably the elephant in room and epicenter of all discussions whenever two powerful nations engage with each other irrespective of their geographical locations. But after Xi Jinping’s historic visit to Pakistan means that Pakistan will be the proverbial gorilla in the room when PM Modi confabulates with his Chinese interlocutors in Beijing next month.

Therefore, when PM Modi travels to China next month he will have to be mindful of lot of minefields. China and Pakistan have just prepared a new one for PM Modi!

Here's why Indian strategists should worry about China's $46 billion funding to Pakistan - Firstpost

Regarding the bold parts......this says it all India wants PAKISTAN TO BE WEAK AND SCREWED NATION TO BE LAUGHED AND D-GRADED BY THEM. Their big talk of Strong and prosperous Pakistan is vital for Indian rise and security, something that their Mani Shankar Arya n Co (when they used to come here) as well as their gov tells the world is farce and lie.

Well I am not sure what is exact amount, read couple of articles, referring sources from PMO PAK, where it is scaled down from $45B to $28B.
While it would help Pakistan in getting some parity, economically, against India but will make them Sub-state of China and follow their dictate.

Another point which every body overlooked that US investment is for Pakistan with no intention of taking every invested penny back while Chinese investment will be recovered in form of revenue, contracts and others. Apart from Infra nothing gained for Pakistan including technology (I suspect).
 
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damn someone promised some donation and pakistanis are jumping on roof top !
 
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Chinese gave an offer of 46 billion $ for development in Pakistan and here some guys are creating several threads for that topic.
This investment will take 2030 to completes its frutition.India is now growing around 7.5% and it will be 9% after that GST.And will continue for at least 3 decades in near future.
So at thisrate you can calculate India economic data in 2030.
Chinee made a bad move so. they can seethe increased Indian presence in SCS in coming decades.
And Chinese are businessmen after all.
God knows the exploitation of the Pakistanis by Chinese and Pak politicians.
AFAIK Pak is doing all this without any major reform.
 
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Article is really good but what would really give Indians a heart attack is if news is confirmed that Pakistan is in talks for J-10 and that too in large numbers, and also Pakistan along with going for 4 more F-22 we need to go for 8 more major ships from China, for me they can be 4 Type 54 and 4 Type 56. When economy improves than go for 4 to 6 Cruise Missile Destroyers, but 16 Frigates and Corvettes are must as we also need to protect Chinese interests at Gawader, and last but not the least we need to invite China to place its 4 to 6 Ships at Gawader which should include at least 2 Type 55 Destroyers along with two nuclear submarines . @Umair Nawaz
The list that you have given is not only enough to given them heat attack but they'll $h*t themselves as well but:
4 F-22 will cost around $700 million
4 Type 54 over $1 billion
4 Type 56 over $1 billion as well
then 4-6 destroyers
large number of J-10 (lets say 126) would easily cross $3.5 billion
The bill would be something over $8.5 billion.
And then chinese with their ships and nuclear subs.
You would agree that will not happen in near or far future?
 
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Apart from Kashmir, India doesn't have any spite with Pakistan. Give us Kashmir back, we are out of your way.

If China's supplies of oil are running through Azad Kashmir then China becomes party to any conflict in that area. It will try to keep it the way it is. India should all but forget about Pakistani side of Kashmir after this. China is likely to intervene if it's trade routes are threatened, may be by stepping up pressure on Indo-China LOC. I see status quo for foreseeable future.
 
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Well I am not sure what is exact amount, read couple of articles, referring sources from PMO PAK, where it is scaled down from $45B to $28B.
While it would help Pakistan in getting some parity, economically, against India but will make them Sub-state of China and follow their dictate.

Another point which every body overlooked that US investment is for Pakistan with no intention of taking every invested penny back while Chinese investment will be recovered in form of revenue, contracts and others. Apart from Infra nothing gained for Pakistan including technology (I suspect).
Working on 28 billion dollars has started on other will work start in few months
 
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Well said, the Time of India and couple other news sources are very bias and shouldn't be trusted.

I am just curious about the models of F-16s and certain specifications. The specifications of major parts of the aircraft will surely make the difference in performance.

It would be too good if Pakistan would acquire F-16 Block 60, maybe in small numbers but they will be act as an awesome front line fighters. If you have not noted Pakistani ACM and AVM visited UAE a couple months ago, that makes me think.. Hmm, maybe couple of parts from Block 60 will be acquired for our Block 50s.
No I can see it happening really soon
 
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Bharoti Indian population is 7 times more and economy also around 7 times larger, don't make up numbers you retarded piece of shit.

Ghenda Sahib....We all know that Ghenda ko jaldi gussa aata hai. So jaldi! I did know that

You should check the IMF site. An average Indian earns $300 more than an average Pakistan.
 
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What's all this chest thumping about? Relax guys. $ 40 billion isn't for free when you realise that you would be paying double for every unit of electricity you consume and start paying exorbitant amounts at toll booths established on the Kashgar-Gwadar highway whenever you use it!! The cost of gas would also increase as private Chinese companies will strive to first break even and then look at profits.

After all, the Chinese aren't going to give away freebies. The Chinese government and banks will be providing loans to private Chinese consortia amounting to $40 billion or so to build the infrastructure. Guess who's going to pay for all this? Not China to be sure! But the end users...and that is the people of Pakistan!

But then what was needed was the initial capital required for building roads and for electricity generation of an additional 14,000MW which China is now providing. This will be a shot in the arm as projects will finally take off. But then in the end, it would be the ordinary Pakistani who will feel the pinch of dishing out double of what he's doing today! Unless of course the government of Pakistan subsidizes the costs to the consumer which will again result in a strain on the economy.

Wheels within wheels. The economics of these projects is a veritable jungle to traverse.

But all said and done, at the geostrategic level, this would be a win-win situation for both Pakistan and China.
 
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@ito , @SamantK

I know this is off-topic but I really wanted some thoughts from your perspective on Afghan Army Chief's visit to Pakistan...does Indians sees this development as a failure of its strategic and political gain they had achieved in Afghanistan?

if you followed defence.pk long , you probably remember many your fellow country members some senior ones were dreaming kicking indians out using good taliban after dec 2014 !
 
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If China's supplies of oil are running through Azad Kashmir then China becomes party to any conflict in that area. It will try to keep it the way it is. India should all but forget about Pakistani side of Kashmir after this. China is likely to intervene if it's trade routes are threatened, may be by stepping up pressure on Indo-China LOC. I see status quo for foreseeable future.

I am certain China would keep itself away from Kashmir.

When Xi Jingping was in Pakistan, how many times did he mentioned Kashmir or Pakistan disputes with India....Zero times.
 
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So, the money has not come yet but Pakistan says that it will be a headache to India :lol:

45 billion is not coming today, guys!

Last time US sent you guys so much aid, what effectively happened was you guys tried to fight a war with India and lost a lot there plus, bought some shiny defence equipment :)
Hey man i sent you an email do check it out .
 
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Pakistanis are having a better love affair with China with 46Billion investment.Hope all these MOU translate into productive ventures.Last round 38 Biilion was promised-only US 710 million flowed into the country by way of investments.Hope this time ALL PROMISES ARE ACHIEVED towards a better Pakistan and South Asia.Pakistani elites are so enthusiastic ,which can lead to better erections resulting in greater social and economic intercourse between China and Pakistan
 
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