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An Era of Darkness: The British Empire in India’

Low caste? No. You are getting it wrong.

Regardless of caste, we are fighting a war on toilets.

Seriously. Are you German?

You should address this to India Express and remind them to the Indian WOT (War on Toilet)

Yes, seriously. But what does this have to do with my posts? I'm white and therefor more credible than the Chinese – at least from the POV of an Indian.

What is caste ? Is it something like Ubermensch & untermensch ? Striving for a Lebensraum ?

We have enough Lebensraum for 80 m people with a greater GDP, higher HDI and living standard than 1.2 billion Indians. That's more than enough to content with. :)

With regard to caste system: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/indias-cas...eed-know-about-hindu-social-hierarchy-1546295

You are a low caste Indian now? :woot:

Have you built a toilet for the low caste slum dweller yet instead babbling nonsense in a forum?

I'd rather commit suicide than be an Indian, not to speak of a low caste Indian.
 
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You should address this to India Express and remind them to the Indian WOT (War on Toilet)

Yes, seriously. But what does this have to do with my posts? I'm white and therefor more credible than the Chinese – at least from the POV of an Indian.



We have enough Lebensraum for 80 m people with a greater GDP, higher HDI and living standard than 1.2 billion Indians. That's more than enough to content with. :)

With regard to caste system: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/indias-cas...eed-know-about-hindu-social-hierarchy-1546295



Have you built a toilet for the low caste slum dweller yet instead babbling nonsense in a forum?

I'd rather commit suicide than be an Indian, not to speak of a low caste Indian.
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Ah ja, mij vriend... wij kunnen niet de parels voor de zwijnen gooien.... ik heb alles gelezen wat jij wilde zeggen... ik ben bang dat het gaat niet werken.

Wat wij voor ons hebben is een gekte, een ziek ideologie dat geen reden kent! In de jaren 30' hadden wij hetzelf hier in onze europa. Laten wij dat nooit vergeten.

In de jaren 70 gingen zoveel van ons in hen land... wij dachten dat Herman Hesse gelijk had. Het is NIET zo.

Maar ik vind het leuk om te zien hoe jij met die trollen om gaat. Brilliant!

Mag in duits terug melden...

Succes!


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Exactly.

Hinduism and Buddhism does not allow you to build toilets.

An ideal Dharmic home will never have toilets. You don't have to visit our country. Just book a hopping flight and come to any International Airport (in India). There are no toilets. It is considered uncultured to respond to nature's call in private here. We all do it together in the open. You can relieve yourself on the runway. That is comparatively appropriate. Though we prefer bushes or jungles (or slums and streets).

Sulabh International founder Bindeshwar Pathak said “Everything was in place in the Harappan civilization. There was a designated area for cleaning, bathing, defecating, drainage, etc….everything was planned.”

“We don’t know where we missed the link. There is a gap,” he said while talking to The Hindu in response to a query on how India, being one of the world’s oldest civilizations, now needs education on cleanliness and hygiene.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...ruelties-in-india-shashi-tharoor_1946823.html
Last Updated: Sunday, November 6, 2016 - 14:37

New Delhi: No sum of reparations by the British, who reduced India to one of the poorest countries in the world, can compensate for the "horrendous" crimes the Raj committed against the Indian people, writer and politician Shashi Tharoor has said.

Tharoor, who makes a convincing case against the imperial Empire in his new book "An era of Darkness: The British empire in India", said the European country became prosperous primarily by impoverishing India.

"The rise of Britain for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India. And certainly, we were a principle cash cow for Britain throughout the nineteenth century. We paid for our own oppression," Tharoor said at the launch of his book at Taj Mahal hotel here, last week.

"There is and has been a sort of deliberate historical amnesia in Britain about the Raj and about the iniquities of the colonial era. There has been no attempt whatsoever to teach British school children the realities of colonialism.

After all, the beauties of London were built by resources extracted from the colonies," he said.

The 333-page book published by Aleph Book company is an outcome of the politician's speech at Oxford last year, in which he demanded reparation for Britain's colonial crimes.

The book critically examines the 200-year long British legacy in India and provides clinching evidence and incisive arguments against its supposed boons.

Tharoor demolishes the myth of "enlightened despotism" and debunks the "preposterous" vindications given by "Raj apologists" and Anglophiles in favour of the alleged benefits of the rule in India, a country, he writes, was "no primitive or barren land but a glittering jewel of the Medieval world".

"At the beginning of the 18th century, India's share of the world economy was 23 per cent, as large as all of Europe put together. By the time the British departed India, it had dropped to just 3 per cent. The reason was simple: India was governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India," he writes.

The 60-year-old author asserts that India was "deliberately" deindustrialised and drained of its resources, and left with landlessness and poverty.

"While comparisons of human deaths are always invidious, the 35 million who died of famine and epidemics during the Raj does remind one of 25 million who died in Stalin's collectivisation drive and political purges, the 45 million who died during Mao's cultural revolution, and the 55 million who died during World War II," he states.

He emphasises that Britain's Industrial Revolution flourished at the expense of crumbling Indian manufacturing industries, "abetted by tariffs and regulatory measures that stacked the decks in favour of the British".

"It is preposterous to suggest that India's inability to industralise while the Western world did so was an Indian failure...If India's GDP went down because it 'missed the bus' of industralisation, it was because the British threw Indians under the wheels," he writes.

Mounting a scathing attack on "benefits" like railways, the English language and the rule of law, Tharoor argues that they were never actually introduced for the benefit of the Indians but to serve Britain's colonial interests.

He said that it was getting late for Britain to atone for its crimes, and asserted that the UK Prime Minister emulates the example of his Canadian counterpart Justin Trudeau who apologised on behalf of his country for denying permission for the Indian immigrants on the Komagata Maru to land in Vancouver.

"I, for one, dearly hope that a British prime minister will find the heart, and the spirit, to get on his or her knees at Jallianwala Bagh in 2019 and beg forgiveness from Indians in the name of his or her people for the unforgivable massacre that was perpetrated at that site a century earlier," he remarks.

Tharoor also demands the return of some of the treasure troves looted from India in the course of colonialism.

"The money exacted in taxes and exploitation has already been spent, and cannot realistically be reclaimed. But individual pieces of statuary sitting in British museums could be, if for nothing else than their symbolic value.

"After all if looted Nazi-era art can be (and now is being) returned for their rightful owners in various Western countries, why is the principle any different for looted colonial treasures?" he asks.

Written in a perspicacious style, "An era of Darkness" is an eye-opening volume that goes a long way in correcting many misconceptions about the British Empire in India.

PTI

First Published: Sunday, November 6, 2016 - 14:37
 
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You should address this to India Express and remind them to the Indian WOT (War on Toilet)

Yes, seriously. But what does this have to do with my posts? I'm white and therefor more credible than the Chinese – at least from the POV of an Indian.



We have enough Lebensraum for 80 m people with a greater GDP, higher HDI and living standard than 1.2 billion Indians. That's more than enough to content with. :)

With regard to caste system: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/indias-cas...eed-know-about-hindu-social-hierarchy-1546295



Have you built a toilet for the low caste slum dweller yet instead babbling nonsense in a forum?

I'd rather commit suicide than be an Indian, not to speak of a low caste Indian.


You didn't answer my question on the caste system .is it like the Ubermensch & untermensch ?

A few years ago , I used to visit an online history site hosted in Europe.The Germans there were quite charming .All the other Europeans thought so.Especially the Jews.

It followed one of the Germans explaining how his grandfather made his fortune off the Jews who effected a distress sale just to get out of Germany when your Fuhrer seized power.

Some Jews went to the extent of extracting their golden teeth , melting it , forming small gold biscuits to sell it , get whatever money they coild manage & get out of Germany .

I'm not saying that's how your GDP got to where it is.For that you've got to thank the Americans & the Marshall plan for literally kick starting your economy.

So, once again , my good German , what's the caste system ? Is it like the Ubermensch & Untermensch ze Germans followed overtly during ze Fuhrer's reign & covertly now?
 
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Afghans were still recovering from the losses in Panipat, which allowed Sikhs to go on a victory streak against the Afghans all the way till Kabul.

Maratha empire crumbled in second war with the British. Largely due to their failure of not consolidating their victory against the British in the first Anglo-Maratha war.

The Afghans would have been back to strength in a short time span. The Sikhs never set foot in Afghanistan, where did you get this from? The Sikhs never got past the Kyber Pass....
The Marathas were a regional power, and never had the ability, arms or expertise to take a war barely beyond their realms.
 
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Change your D.P very offensive and vulgar.
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You can do both of us a favour & poke your eyes.

P.S - for someone who's just joined the forum , you seem to have located me pretty quickly.I can't see the flag of your nation as I'm logging in thru my cell , but my instincts tell me you're Chinese.

RSS gave birth to BJP. The pertinent point is, they are as Indian as Congress or AAP.

Empire anywhere built fortification for strategic purpose, even 18th century, Qing reinforced the wall.

You're going around in circles. Tarim Basin is Xinjiang, the garrison to Central Asia, was directly ruled by Han dynasty. Non-Han Chinese doesn't mean barbarian, not if they are subject of the realm, Tianxia. Tribes around Manchuria were subject/vassals of various dynasty.

The heart of Chinese land shaped by Han dynasty didn't change much. Qing being the last dynasty was the one that gave shape to modern China. There was no disagreement among Chinese historians, it was a Chinese dynasty, emperors claimed the Chinese mandate of heaven, continued the Chinese imperial system. Mongol did the same, though not as integrated. Yuan is considered Chinese dynasty by Mongol themselves, a separate entity from other Khanate.

You take your trolling too far. An Lushan rebellion was barely 10 years, Tang lasted for 290 years. Han about 420 years. That's almost a millennium, not counting other dynasties.

Warped logic. Borders can contract or expand, but the political entity remained. Zhongguo was unified by Qin and Han as a centralized political entity. Kublai Khan didn't create Zhongguo, Chinese empire history didn't end with him either. Yes, he was Chinese national, of Mongol ethnic. His descendants live in China today. You don't have to be Han Chinese to be Chinese national.


Borders can contract or expand, but the political entity remained.

That's what I was looking for.Yes, I was trolling .I would have done a better job of it 10 years & 30 lbs ago.

I mistook you to be a troll too. like most of your compatriots on this thread.My apologies.

Btw - your grasp on history is commendable .Peace .
 
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The Afghans would have been back to strength in a short time span. The Sikhs never set foot in Afghanistan, where did you get this from? The Sikhs never got past the Kyber Pass....
The Marathas were a regional power, and never had the ability, arms or expertise to take a war barely beyond their realms.
Seems like I was mistaken on the Kabul part.
 
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Ah ja, mij vriend... wij kunnen niet de parels voor de zwijnen gooien.... ik heb alles gelezen wat jij wilde zeggen... ik ben bang dat het gaat niet werken.

Wat wij voor ons hebben is een gekte, een ziek ideologie dat geen reden kent! In de jaren 30' hadden wij hetzelf hier in onze europa. Laten wij dat nooit vergeten.

In de jaren 70 gingen zoveel van ons in hen land... wij dachten dat Herman Hesse gelijk had. Het is NIET zo.

Maar ik vind het leuk om te zien hoe jij met die trollen om gaat. Brilliant!

Mag in duits terug melden...

Succes!


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Die verklärte Romantik Herman Hesse existiert bis heute noch in Europa. Nein, Perlen vor die Säue werfe ich nicht, eher mache ich über ihre Dummheit und ihr krankes Weltbild lustig. Es wäre zum Lachen, müssten nicht so viele Menschen darunter leiden.
 
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Seems like I was mistaken on the Kabul part.

The Sikhs did enter Ksbul.The Khalsa flag was raised by a Punjabi Muslim - Col Sheikh Bassawan , if I'm not mistaken .This happened immediately after Ranjit Singh,'s demise & before the Anglo Sikh wars.The first time in nearly 2000 years an Indian based army crossed the Khyber from India & entered Kabul.In all likelihood the writer was referring to followers of Dharmic faiths.The Mughals in their hey day ruled over Kabul for some time. The Sikhs couldn't hold on to Kabul , though.
 
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The Sikhs did enter Ksbul.The Khalsa flag was raised by a Punjabi Muslim - Col Sheikh Bassawan , if I'm not mistaken .This happened immediately after Ranjit Singh,'s demise & before the Anglo Sikh wars.The first time in nearly 2000 years an Indian based army crossed the Khyber from India & entered Kabul.In all likelihood the writer was referring to followers of Dharmic faiths.The Mughals in their hey day ruled over Kabul for some time. The Sikhs couldn't hold on to Kabul , though.
I too remember reading though cannot find any academic resources now
 
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Die verklärte Romantik Herman Hesse existiert bis heute noch in Europa. Nein, Perlen vor die Säue werfe ich nicht, eher mache ich über ihre Dummheit und ihr krankes Weltbild lustig. Es wäre zum Lachen, müssten nicht so viele Menschen darunter leiden.

Helemaal mee eens! Lachen is inderdaad de beste medicijn.

Ik ben altijd voor Schiller. De romantiek en idealism van Hesse is een paradijs verloren...als mag ik dat zeggen.

Tijd om naar bed te gaan. Goede avond! Slaap lekker.
 
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You didn't answer my question on the caste system .is it like the Ubermensch & untermensch ?

A few years ago , I used to visit an online history site hosted in Europe.The Germans there were quite charming .All the other Europeans thought so.Especially the Jews.

It followed one of the Germans explaining how his grandfather made his fortune off the Jews who effected a distress sale just to get out of Germany when your Fuhrer seized power.

Some Jews went to the extent of extracting their golden teeth , melting it , forming small gold biscuits to sell it , get whatever money they coild manage & get out of Germany .

I'm not saying that's how your GDP got to where it is.For that you've got to thank the Americans & the Marshall plan for literally kick starting your economy.

So, once again , my good German , what's the caste system ? Is it like the Ubermensch & Untermensch ze Germans followed overtly during ze Fuhrer's reign & covertly now?

Yes, indeed, it's the same ideology. And guess where the Nazis got this sick and disgusting ideology? Ever heard of Madame Helena Blavatsky? Right, she had an immense influence on the Nazi ideology after she spent many years living in India.

We have nothing to thank the Americans. Without them, Hitler would have never risen.

 
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Yes, indeed, it's the same ideology. And guess where the Nazis got this sick and disgusting ideology? Ever heard of Madame Helena Blavatsky? Right, she had an immense influence on the Nazi ideology after she spent many years living in India.

We have nothing to thank the Americans. Without them, Hitler would have never risen.



So, what your saying is the Germans were essentially innocent .It's Hitler , the Americans & Madame Blavatsky to blame.
 
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The Sikhs did enter Ksbul.The Khalsa flag was raised by a Punjabi Muslim - Col Sheikh Bassawan , if I'm not mistaken .This happened immediately after Ranjit Singh,'s demise & before the Anglo Sikh wars.The first time in nearly 2000 years an Indian based army crossed the Khyber from India & entered Kabul.In all likelihood the writer was referring to followers of Dharmic faiths.The Mughals in their hey day ruled over Kabul for some time. The Sikhs couldn't hold on to Kabul , though.

This was not a Khalsa army or an army belonging to the Sikh army. It was led by Captain Wade of the British Indian army, Sikhs, Afghans and Punjabi Muslims comprised this force, although the Sikh auxiliaries were over represented. Shah Soojah also had his Afghan men with the force, and the expedition was designed to support a British friendly ruler.

The expedition is covered extensively by Sir John William Kaye in his book "History of the war in Afghanistan"

 
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