Amnesty International: Death penalty in 2018: Facts and figures

[Nityam]

But your bet is they don't exist, now you want to eat your words?

My bet was you have laws that permit harvesting of chinese prisoners organs. That still stands.

Western media is a habitual liar and they started Iraqi war based on a lie, you are just as a liar as they are by spreading their lies.

Chinese media are bigger liars.

Between the two, I will still choose western media.

 

[beijingwalker]

My bet was you have laws that permit harvesting of chinese prisoners organs. That still stands.

Chinese media are bigger liars.

Between the two, I will still choose western media.

You can choose what to beilieve , same here with me, but what about your "bet"?

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

Western media is a habitual liar and they started Iraqi war based on a lie, you are just as a liar as they are by spreading their lies.

You quote western media all the time when it favors the Chinese narrative.

There is a study by several world experts that show harvesting is very much ongoing.

The full report is available at: https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/app/uploads/2018/06/COHRC-2018-Report.pdf

The China Organ Harvest Research Center (COHRC) is a nonprofit organization that conducts and presents authoritative research on organ transplant abuse in China. Its researchers seek out and analyze evidence from a wide range of Chinese and overseas sources. Before establishing this organization in 2017, its lead researchers had studied the Chinese organ transplantation system for over a decade and contributed to reports cited by CNN, The New York Times, PBS,

New Report: Organ Transplant Abuse in China Continues Despite Claims of Reform
Severe abuses continue in China's organ transplant system—including the sourcing of organs from prisoners of conscience on a large scale—despite Chinese government assertions of reform, finds a new study by the China Organ Harvest Research Center.

The report was released at the 27 [th] International Congress of The Transplantation Society, a biennial gathering of transplant experts from around the world.

"Chinese officials asserted that the donation framework was developed in just a few years, a process that took other countries decades," the authors note. "Official accounts indicate that the percentage of organs sourced from donations jumped from 23% in 2013 to 80% in 2014, with voluntary donations becoming the sole official organ source in 2015. It is not plausible that such a complete transition in this system could have taken place in just one or two years."

The report concludes that this disparity, together with other factors—including evidence of on-demand transplants and data falsification—means that many organs must be coming from elsewhere, including prisoners of conscience.

In preparing the 341-page report, researchers analyzed hundreds of transplant hospitals, government and industry statements, official policies and legislation, actual donation figures from various regions, the abuse of brain death criteria, and the broader operation of China's donation and transplant system.


"The report highlights new evidence that has come to light since a June 2016 study by human rights lawyer David Matas, former Canadian Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific and Member of Parliament David Kilgour, and investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann," says Dr. Huige Li, Professor at the University Medical Center of Mainz and co-author of the report.

The new report's key findings include:

• Transplants outpace donations: The number of voluntary donations in China remains extremely low relative to the size of the transplant industry. At the end of 2017, the official count of registered donors was 373,536. If one applies the ratio of registered and actual donors in the United States to this total, such a donor base would have yielded fewer than 29 organ donors for transplants in China. The sum of reported donation numbers (mainly from non-registered donors in ICUs) in each region was also far fewer than the official figure of 15,000 transplants performed. Yet tens of thousands of transplants are performed in Chinese hospitals each year.

• On-demand transplants to foreigners continue: Official Chinese statements that no transplants are performed for foreigners have been discredited by recent investigations. In October 2017, journalists from a major Korean television station found that foreign patients from other parts of Asia and the Middle East are still flocking to one of the largest transplant centers in China. Patients were quoted wait times of just days or weeks, with additional monetary "donations" to the hospital resulting in expedited surgeries.

• Regulation has not kept pace with claimed reform: China's organ donation system and regulatory framework are still in their infancy and cannot support the number of transplants being performed in China and their on-demand nature. Agencies providing oversight for the donation system remain empty shells, and most organs used for transplants do not come from the national donation and allocation system presented to the international community.

• An alternate source of organs remains necessary: Because voluntary donations cannot support the number of transplants performed and experts acknowledge that criminal executions have shrunk in recent years, most of the organs must be coming from another source. Much evidence suggests that these organs are taken from prisoners of conscience in extrajudicial killings. The main source likely remains Falun Gong practitioners, who constitute the largest group of prisoners of conscience in China and have been systematically imprisoned, tortured, and forcibly subjected to blood tests and other medical examinations related to organ function, both in state custody and in their homes.

"China, as this outstanding, thorough and well-documented report shows, continues to permit abuses of human rights and the minimal ethical treatment of its citizens in permitting killing in order to obtain organs for transplant," writes Professor Arthur L. Caplan, head of the division of medical ethics at New York University's School of Medicine, in a preface to the report. "The report must be attended to by both the transplant community and governments all over the world."

The report concludes that China's purported reform has gained recognition by some international transplant organizations as a result of public relations campaigns, use of questionable data, aggressive roadmaps, transplant center showcases, and presentations at international forums.

"Our findings underscore the problem with taking the Chinese government's claims of reform at face value. We hope it leads to a re-evaluation of how international institutions engage with Chinese transplant entities," says Grace Yin, author and lead researcher of the study.

Given that China's transplant system continues to be supported by the killing of innocents, the authors warn, "By expanding agreements to share organs with other parts of Asia, Belt and Road regions, and beyond, the Chinese regime also risks implicating the international community in its crimes."

 

[beijingwalker]

I have quoted a chinese law that makes it LEGAL to harvest organ of executed prisoners. Can you quote the law that "banned" this practice. ???

I bet you can't.

You challenged me with this bet and I took the challenge and now you just backtrack on it. You are a man of no honor.

 

[Nityam]

You can choose what to beilieve , same here with me, but what about your "bet"?

In all fairness I take what the western media says with a pinch of salt.

But I do believe the chinese govt. harvests organs of its prisoners and I bet you know that is true. You might not want to admit it, but its a horrible thing to do.

You challenged me with this bet and I took the challenge and now you just backtrack on it. You are a man of no honor.

LOL...... get real.

I have proved that the law I have quoted is STILL VALID AND ACTIVE.

The law always required the "prisoners consent" to harvest his organ.

Only the prisoner on the death row in a chinese system has no real choice. His consent is just a farce.

 

[beijingwalker]

l

I have quoted a chinese law that makes it LEGAL to harvest organ of executed prisoners. Can you quote the law that "banned" this practice. ???

I bet you can't.

Your shamelessness amazes me, ok I m wasting time.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Why are u comparing the mighty China with poor India?LoL

Don't lie. When it comes to Pakistan, you will declare it "Bhooka" "Bhikari" etc.etc. in a jiffy and Claim India is the richest and most advance country in the World.
Creepy, lying, cheating, mindless Indians. Who forgets that people live subhuman conditions in all their major cities.

 

[KAL-EL]

You quote western media all the time when it favors the Chinese narrative.

This is done constantly here! Glad to see someone else has noticed.

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

This is done constantly here! Glad to see someone else has noticed.

Well, his purpose here is 'mandated', and their marching orders force them to be oblivious to being called hypocrites

 

[Deathstar]

Don't lie. When it comes to Pakistan, you will declare it "Bhooka" "Bhikari" etc.etc. in a jiffy and Claim India is the richest and most advance country in the World.
Creepy, lying, cheating, mindless Indians. Who forgets that people live subhuman conditions in all their major cities.

Lmao i am talking about China and Chinese slaves are quick to react lol

 

[crankthatskunk]

Lmao i am talking about China and Chinese slaves are quick to react lol

Chinese at least don't make tall claims like the Indians.
You are the one who have problems with all your neighbors. Be it Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Burma, Sri Lanka etc. Look inside rather than looking at China.
Believe you me, no one in your neighborhood is ready to accept you as supapowa as you want to establish.
Pakistan is a hurdle in that and it would remain for years. You are gradually getting that message.
The only thing which stops from most countries going against India on world forums is because they want to sell their goods to India, be it other goods or military hardware.
Nobody respects India, they just want their exports.
For China on the other hands the opposition is because it has + trade accounts with most Western Countries. They see their money leaking to the Chinese, against which they cannot compete. Therefore, their opposition to China.

As for China, I don't like their treatment of Muslims. People should be allowed to practice their religions freely, no matter what religion they follow. In that case China at least has a fig leaf of "Communism" to cover its nakedness when come to religion and freedom of people to practice it.

But India is doing exactly what Chinese doing to the Muslims, making their lives miserable and unbearable. They are attacking Muslims, killing them for eating Beef. They burn Christian churches. Want to convert people "back to Hinduism" because they perceived that those people were converted to Christianity and Islam from Hinduism.
You doing all that in the garb of "Secularism".
At least the Chinese are bare naked in front of the world that they don't like Religion and religious freedom.
You the Indians like in anything else are trying to fool the world by wearing the thin veil of "Secularism".
World knows your realities. You are not fooling them, believe you me.

 

[Nityam]

Your shamelessness amazes me, ok I m wasting time.

I wish I could say the same.

BTW I am still waiting for you quoting the law in china that makes it illegal to harvest organs of prisoners.

All you have done is claim "prisoner consent " is needed.

 

[Sugarcane]

Very disappointing figures for Pakistan, we should execute terrorists and criminals instead of feeding them.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Very disappointing figures for Pakistan, we should execute terrorists and criminals instead of feeding them.

ZPU-2-14.5mm tool of choice.

 

[nahtanbob]

I personally believe that those who killed multiple people ( usually only these crimes are punishable by death)deserve to have everything they have removed from them to redeem the sufferings of the families caused by their savage crimes, I would say many people share the same thought with me in China, but China baned that practice, I m pretty disappointed.

anyway I look at it taking organs from executed prisoners is unethical