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Amid worries about China's growing navy, the US Navy is only asking for 4 new combat ships next year
Ryan Pickrell
Fri, May 28, 2021, 5:06


  • The US Navy's fiscal year 2022 budget asks for just eight ships, only four of which are warships.
  • The new combat ships the Navy wants are two submarines, one destroyer, and a frigate.
  • The limited request comes amid growing concern within the military about the growing Chinese navy.
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The US Navy's newest budget request is asking for just eight ships, only four of which are combat vessels.

The Department of the Navy's fiscal year 2022 budget is $211.7 billion and focuses more on readiness than growing the fleet, even as the service calls attention to China's rapidly growing naval force. Shipbuilding procurement funding is down $700 million.

"Though the US still maintains far more tonnage than China, China's navy has more ships than the US Navy, and they are building ships at a much greater rate," the Navy said in an overview of its budget request.

The budget document further states that China has an overall battle force of 350 ships and submarines, including at least 130 major surface combatants. China is expected to field a third aircraft carrier as early as 2023.

The US Navy, by the end of fiscal year 2022, is projected to have a battle force of 296 ships.


The Navy's fiscal year 2022 request asks for two Block V Virginia-class fast-attack submarines, one Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, and one Constellation-class guided-missile frigate, a new class of warfighting vessel.

The proposal also includes a request for four support ships, including one John Lewis-class fleet oiler; two Navajo-class towing, salvage, and rescue ships; and one new ocean-surveillance ship.

The Navy made "the hard choice" with respect to what it could afford, Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Budget Rear Adm. John Gumbleton said Friday afternoon.

He explained that the "hard choice" was "that the Navy chose to invest the cost of a destroyer in a blended mix of readiness, modernization, and capability for the future."

The admiral noted that the Navy's request puts the service's previous goal of 355 ships out of reach. "Eight ships a year is not going to get to 355," he said.

The latest request for eight vessels, down from a Trump administration plan that called for 12 vessels, is consistent with last year's request, which received pushback from Congress. Last year's budget was criticized because it only included six warships and two tug boats.

Not only is the Navy buying just a handful of new combat vessels in its latest budget request, but it also has plans to retire 15 vessels, including four littoral combat ships, two submarines, seven cruisers, one dock landing ship, and a tug.


The fiscal year 2022 request also shows a drop in aviation procurement funding from $19.5 billion to $16.5 billion, a reduction the Navy attributes to the end of procurement for the F/A-18 Super Hornets, P-8A Poseidons, VH-92A helicopters, and E-6B Mercury planes.

Altogether, the service is asking for just 107 aircraft, 37 less than last year. The proposal also says the Navy is cutting its planned procurement of weapons by $300 million, down to $4.2 billion.

Overall, procurement accounts have decreased by 5.7% as the Navy reallocates funds to operations and maintenance, military personnel, research and development, and infrastructure.

Some of these investment areas, maintenance in particular, have long been in desperate need of additional support and funding and have been detriments to the readiness of the US naval force.

 
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What does it matter as currently the US has the following Navy(excluding SLBM submarines):


1. Aircraft Carriers

10 Nimitz and 1 Ford Class


2. Cruisers

22 Ticonderoga


3. Destroyers

67 Arleigh Burke Class
2 Zumwalt class



4. Submarines

28 Los Angeles Class
3 Seawolf Class
19 Virginia Class.



Just a single CSG of USN Navy(2 aircraft carriers, 8 Cruisers/Destroyers and 6-8 SSNs) can sink the whole of the PLAN in an open ocean battle in the Pacific.


In fact I think the USN may win with half the above force.:coffee:
 
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Just a single CSG of USN Navy(2 aircraft carriers, 8 Cruisers/Destroyers and 6-8 SSNs) can sink the whole of the PLAN in an open ocean battle in the Pacific.

In fact I think the USN may win with half the above force.:coffee:
You think? then what US navy is waiting for? come to fight near Taiwan strait and soon US navy will become something in the history.
US made simulated naval confict with China near Taiwan strait, the result is that they lost every single one.
War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China

THE US KEEPS LOSING IN EVERY SIMULATED WAR-GAME AGAINST CHINA
 
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What does it matter as currently the US has the following Navy(excluding SLBM submarines):


1. Aircraft Carriers

10 Nimitz and 1 Ford Class


2. Cruisers

22 Ticonderoga


3. Destroyers

67 Arleigh Burke Class
2 Zumwalt class



4. Submarines

28 Los Angeles Class
3 Seawolf Class
19 Virginia Class.



Just a single CSG of USN Navy(2 aircraft carriers, 8 Cruisers/Destroyers and 6-8 SSNs) can sink the whole of the PLAN in an open ocean battle in the Pacific.


In fact I think the USN may win with half the above force.:coffee:

US navy's ships and subs are pretty good, but land based aviation lags behind China by a lot. Other than P-8 MPA, US navy's land based aviation doesn't really have anything significant.

 
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When the usa is really losing actual wargames involving classified military equipment that is only intended for enemies who the conventional unclassified war games fail at defeating... then China is safe. There are two levels of wargames at NORAD and CENTCOM - the regular tech used for fighting Iraq and Saddam Hussein. And the classified tech wargames, saved in reserve to keep quiet about. And a sign from the usa that China is beating the usa in real wargaming is the usa would say "this coronavirUS came from nature and from India, no need for rivalry with China, we are scared of China so we are now friends with the Chinese. Sorry to China about the us bioweapon, I mean the Indian virUS, Modi is to blame. We at the Pentegon always loved China. Where is Wuhan? Wuhan what?".

Since hypersonic weapons are near online and stand-by, you know that the MIC wants to test them in a war with Iran and China. So the West is pushing Iran from the jcpoa/nuke deal, at the very time when us has the advantage in war. usa does not want moderates in Tehran with the jcpoa and peace when hypersonics can knock out every ADS of Iran. So in the game of "diplomacy", us wants to destroy Iran in the short window of missile supremacy. So wants Iran to have a "big bad scary" leader. That is what is pre-planned for war. What Iran needs are ICBMs and nukes to have deterrence. cia would love to have Iran and Isreal to have a nuclear exchange with MRBMs, Isreal has ABM, Iran has ADS. If some shlomos are lost, cia would laugh. Showing vulnerability of the usa with Iranian ICBMs should keep the peace. Iran has to stay out of staged conflicts during the period of missile supremacy, until Iran develops S-500s class ADS. Same with China. China has to stay out of conflict now and biden is pushing toward conflict. Netanyahu is pushing toward conflict. War is what these losers want.

We are entering a period of darkness. trump was supposed to start wwiii during this period.
 
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You think? then what US navy is waiting for? come to fight near Taiwan strait and soon US navy will become something in the history.
US made simulated naval confict with China near Taiwan strait, the result is that they lost every single one.
War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China

THE US KEEPS LOSING IN EVERY SIMULATED WAR-GAME AGAINST CHINA

The more he talks the more I think Bangladeshis are not just the genetic but spiritual relatives of Indians.
 
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What does it matter as currently the US has the following Navy(excluding SLBM submarines):


1. Aircraft Carriers

10 Nimitz and 1 Ford Class


2. Cruisers

22 Ticonderoga


3. Destroyers

67 Arleigh Burke Class
2 Zumwalt class



4. Submarines

28 Los Angeles Class
3 Seawolf Class
19 Virginia Class.



Just a single CSG of USN Navy(2 aircraft carriers, 8 Cruisers/Destroyers and 6-8 SSNs) can sink the whole of the PLAN in an open ocean battle in the Pacific.


In fact I think the USN may win with half the above force.:coffee:

And incredibly immense amount of fire power
 
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I notice you only criticize Chinese members for not being realistic but you let everyone else slide. Hypocrisy much?

Hypocrisy? No! That is a lot of fire power is it not? @UKBengali Was not calling for an actual battle

And there is mainly one specific Member that I-have mainly criticized.

You know, the one that says nuke this and nuke that? Casually calling for the destruction of entire civilizations.

It was a while back, but I also criticized someone of European decent who threatened to use NATO to nuke other countries

The end/
 
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You think? then what US navy is waiting for? come to fight near Taiwan strait and soon US navy will become something in the history.
US made simulated naval confict with China near Taiwan strait, the result is that they lost every single one.
War games suggest the US will lose fast if it confronts China

THE US KEEPS LOSING IN EVERY SIMULATED WAR-GAME AGAINST CHINA

this is a really beat out arguement... if ur more powerful then why don’t attack? Like really just because a nation is more powerful doesnt mean they have to attack the lesser ones. Otherwise what are you waiting 70+ years to attack Taiwan why don’t u do it now


When US plays out the war games they play out your entire Navy vs the Navy committed to the Asia Pacific not the entire US navy.
 
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And incredibly immense amount of fire power



I did not include these either:

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2 are active and 11 are planned. Each can carry 20-24 F-35Bs.

Comparing PLAN to USN is a joke. Heck even the rest of the world navies will get obliterated by USN in an open ocean battle with less than its full firepower brought to the fight.
 

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2 are active and 11 are planned. Each can carry 20-24 F-35Bs.

Comparing PLAN to USN is a joke. Heck even the rest of the world navies will get obliterated by USN in an open ocean battle with less than its full firepower brought to the fight.
If PLAN is joked then French and RN are minced meat. :enjoy:

Aircraft carrier are used to bring firepower to subdue small countries power. They are obsolete in open warfare and reason why China developed limited CV fleet. They are used to fight proxy war and fight small countries so they will think twice Abt siding with US. That is why China developed ASBM

The Iran ballistic missile is successful in subdue US to submission in 2020 Jan retaliation strike. More or less prove the strategy works perfect.
 
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Hypocrisy? No! That is a lot of fire power is it not? @UKBengali Was not calling for an actual battle

And there is mainly one specific Member that I-have mainly criticized.

You know, the one that says nuke this and nuke that? Casually calling for the destruction of entire civilizations.

It was a while back, but I also criticized someone of European decent who threatened to use NATO to nuke other countries

The end/

He said a single CSG with 1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 2 subs could sink the entire PLAN with 2 carriers, 35 destroyers and 50+ subs. Clearly wrong but you failed to say anything and even tacitly supported him.

If it were a Chinese member said something like a single 055 could sink the entire Royal Navy you'd jump out instantly.
 
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Otherwise what are you waiting 70+ years to attack Taiwan why don’t u do it now

Taiwan is not important to China. Why don't Taiwan take over mainland China with help from US if US is so powerful? :china:
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2 are active and 11 are planned. Each can carry 20-24 F-35Bs.

Comparing PLAN to USN is a joke. Heck even the rest of the world navies will get obliterated by USN in an open ocean battle with less than its full firepower brought to the fight.

China don't need to fight US head on. Made a new virus in lab. Release in US mainland, kills hundreds of thousands of Americans within a year. No person on the planet has immunity to a new virus. Herd immunity only kicks in after infection of more than 90 percent of population. Think about how Spanish Conquistadors took down Aztecs and Incans with smallpox.
 
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