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You don't need to post stupid---. If it was so---I would have written it as well---. But as you are an indian it is expected of you---.
Amid COVID-19 a talented Pakistani Hindu got commission as GD pilot in Pakistan Air Force
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You don't need to post stupid---. If it was so---I would have written it as well---. But as you are an indian it is expected of you---.
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protect hindu girls those who are abducted by muslim goons . they force them to become muslim . then talk about your love for them .
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Nooo. That's LOVE you uninformed bigot.
It's a special kind of love found in Pakistan, usually concentrated in rural Sindh. It affects underage Hindu girls ( please notice that Muslim girls of similar age are immune to it ). In this special kind of love, Hindu teenage girls usually fall in love with men who are
Muslim
Quite old ( atleast relatively )
Married already
Local strongmen
Subsequently the love syndrome takes over the mind of the poor little girl and she decides to elope , only to never ever visit her family again. Amazing strain this love has.
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Nobody in Pakistan lynch and massacre Hindus as Muslims are lynched in India...as a sport and as a vendetta for Muslim rule??. And the murderers are garlanded and rewarded...to the next MLA slot or a prized ministry in Bharat.
Nobody in Pakistan calls Hindu 'Desh Drohi' and asked to 'Go back to India'...Muslims in India are routinely called this.
Nobody in Pakistan asks Hindus to say 'Allah hu Akbar'' and later lynched as Muslims in India are asked to chant 'Jai Shree Ram' and many a times lynched while chanting religious slogans.
Pakistan and India are now on a different trajectory, futile and useless to compare with each others.
The Indian constitution is piece of paper, Hindutvadis throws this to dustbin most of the time.
Not a single case of Hindu Lynching is reported in Pakistan...in India just in Gujarat about 2000 Muslims were killed, and about 44 Muslims were killed on Beef rumors like M.Akhlaq of famed Dadri Lynching. Recent Delhi riots a pogrom is another case in point...there were hundreds of communal riots in India.
India/Bharat is no Pakistan....
The thin fake veil of secularism and pluralism is all gone, tarnished by the real Hindutvadis...they don't hide their hatred for Muslims and minorities, unlike the Chanakya falsehood of congress...we need to give it to them, the extremists for not being hypocrites at least.
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I am Indian, just in case you are wondering.thanks you don't take jizya, thanks you dont stop repairing mandirs .
but your
constitution says minoritie are not equal to muslims that is why only muslim can sit on post of president , prime minister , chief minister , governor .
they can't become air marshal
they don't have equal rights with muslims as per constitution , they can not fight election with a muslim for the top and most powerfulposts of pakistan.
india has given thousands of top posts to muslims .
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The rule of law in Pakistan is Islamic and minorities have their rights as per Islamic laws prevailing in the country just like Iran, KSA, and even in Israel. If we claim that a Muslim should be made King of England that is a ridiculous demand. You have to adopt as per law of land. You have more responsibility as Hindu religion is not the official religion of so called secular India. Declare it Hindu estate and then ban cow eating and cow dung use. Even I believe that no religious Hindu book allows the lynching of other religions such values are based on Chankya and other radical views. Please come out of hypocrisy and be ashamed radical Moodi followers.
Law has been made and Sindhi Hindus have strong say in Sindh assembly as well as their own organisations. The PPP govt is most supportive to them. Hve you ever heard of Rana Hamir Singh, look how he lives in Pakistan, his family has served Pakistan and they live like kings and respected by Hindu/Muslims alike. Justice Retd Rana Bhagwan Das is another well respected figure.
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Hah only in papers/not in realities look of kashmiris you're genocide them if not 70 year but at least 89??
Tell me than what they did betterment of their communities in their terms
IT JUST A SHOW OFF NOTHING ELSE
ESPECIALLY NON HINDUS POLITICIANS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING
ESPECIALLY NON HINDU POLITICIANS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES
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don't tell stories
give equal rights to minorities in your constitution first , india has given it right from 1947 .
KING IS NOT ELECTED IN ENGLAND
if a muslim is citizen of england he has right to become PM ,
give bhagwan das right to become president of pakistan .
why can't you give equal right to minorities on paper only ? give it .
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Why don't you give the REAL rights to your minorities NOT FOR SHOW OFF,YOU INDIONT
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The question you are asking is related to ideology, if a person do not believe in ideology how he can protect it. Even if a King of England becomes a Muslim shall be banished from his seat immediately as King/Queen of England is also the Head of Church of England.
Seems like all Indians are following this thread. You guys are burning like oak, can smell the burnt ash till here.
It's not burning, its hope that at least one Hindu will now not be persecuted.
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They have the equal rights in every manner except a couple of things which are they cannot become the head of the state.
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Hard Times Have Pakistani Hindus Looking to India, Where Some Find Only Disappointment
Hindu migrants from Pakistan arriving to take oaths of Indian citizenship recently at a magistrate office in Jodhpur, India.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
By Maria Abi-Habib
In April, an angry mob vandalized a different Hindu temple, smashing its idols and chucking the pieces in an open sewer. In May, a Hindu veterinarian was accused of blasphemy in a neighboring town, his shop burned to the ground on the rumor that he was selling medicine wrapped in Islamic religious text.
More than 70 years after the partition of India and Pakistan, increasing violence in this officially Muslim country against the Hindu minority — about 1 percent of Pakistan’s 210 million people — is leading some Hindus to rethink the choices and fate that left their families on the Pakistani side of the line in 1947, residents say.
Hindu migrants from Pakistan waiting outside the Foreigners’ Registration Office in Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
“Most of our elders at the time of partition did not migrate to India because they did not want to lose their businesses. But now they see it was the wrong decision,” said Kumar, a small-business owner from Ghotki District in Pakistan’s Sindh Province, where the attacks unfolded on Sept. 15. He asked that his last name be withheld, fearing mob violence.
“I am considering moving to India, where at least no one can kill me on the basis of my faith,” he said.
The trepidation among Pakistani Hindus is mirrored in many ways among the Muslim minority in India, where a campaign of Hindu nationalism led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s party has left many Muslims feeling targeted. Sectarian fears in both India and Pakistan always peak during times of tension, and hostility between the neighbors is running particularly high right now.
Bheel Basti, a settlement of Hindu migrants from Pakistan, on the outskirts of Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
In Pakistan, local officials say the pressure for Hindus to weigh moving to India has not been this great since a wave of sectarian violence led many to migrate in the 1990s, after a Hindu mob in India tore down a 16th-century mosque, the Babri Masjid, leading to retaliatory attacks in Pakistan.
The current migration is because of Mr. Modi’s open appeals to Hindu identity in India, they say, stripping the country of the secular framework it was founded on to give supremacy to their religion.
Since Mr. Modi’s election victory, Pakistani Hindus say they have had an easier time obtaining religious or pilgrimage visas to India, which they can then convert to long-term visas if they seek Indian citizenship.
By The New York Times
Though the exact number of Hindu migrants is hard to pin down, indications of a wider push to go to India can be seen in the numbers of those long-term visas. In 2018, the Indian government granted 12,732 long-term visas, compared with 4,712 in 2017, and 2,298 in 2016, according to the Ministry of External Affairs. About 95 percent of long-term visas are granted to Pakistani Hindus, officials say.
Millions of Hindus remained in Pakistan when Britain carved out the state from the subcontinent to create a Muslim homeland at independence in 1947. They were unwilling to abandon their homes and businesses, like the millions of Muslims who ended up on the Indian side during partition, where now about 200 million live.
But angry sectarian mobs on both sides of the border sought to change those demographics at the nations’ birth, killing up to two million people and displacing 14 million. Trains packed with terrified Muslims and Hindus fleeing in opposite directions on the railway between India and Pakistan arrived full of corpses, passengers massacred mid-journey.
Filling water containers at the Al Kausar Nagar camp for Pakistani Hindu migrants near Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Train service between the countries was suspended when they went to war in 1965 and 1971, but eventually resumed. Last month, Pakistan suspended India-bound trains once again, protesting New Delhi’s move to strip the autonomy from the portion of Kashmir it controls, a Muslim-majority state the countries have long fought over.
Even among Pakistani Hindus who are considering going to India, there are very real reasons to hesitate.
Kumar is one who is torn. Though he was shaken by the recent violence in his hometown, he said he was still reluctant to pick up and leave when the trains start running again. He has said goodbye to neighbors who have migrated to India, only to see them return to Pakistan months or years later, disappointed.
Bhagchand Bheel and his family came to India from Karachi, Pakistan, in 2014. At first he hoped that being part of a Hindu majority would make life better. “Then you arrive and realize it’s much different,” he said.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Bhagchand Bheel is one of the disappointed. When he migrated to India in 2014, he was grateful to leave the violence and pressure of Karachi, Pakistan’s commercial hub. He boarded the Thar Express to Zero Point Station, the last stop before the border, where he and his family lugged their bags by foot into India, settling in a camp in the city of Jodhpur.
He was among his people, he thought, and could finally be free. But he is of a lower caste, and when he tried to enter a Hindu temple, he was barred entry by the priest because of it, he said. And when a friend tried to drink from the community water well, he was physically assaulted by upper caste Brahmins who accused him of polluting it.
“In Pakistan, the only thing that matters is if you are Hindu or Muslim,” said Mr. Bheel, whose last name is derived from his tribe. “Because we are Hindus, in Pakistan we were discriminated against. But in India, I face discrimination because I’m a Bheel.”
Children at the Al Kausar Nagar migrant camp outside Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Like many Pakistani Hindus, Mr. Bheel migrated after Mr. Modi came to power in 2014, after a long campaign promoting Hindu nationalism.
Muslims in India say life has gotten progressively harder for them, too. Mr. Modi’s government is accused of turning a blind eye to the scores of Muslim men lynched by Hindu mobs. When an 8-year old Muslim girl was gang raped and killed in Kashmir last year by Hindu men, local police officers allegedly helped cover up the crime.
But despite the discrimination Muslims face in India, they do not tend to migrate to Pakistan in the numbers their Hindu counterparts in Pakistan do. Indian Muslims tend to migrate to the West instead.
A Hindu migrant from Pakistan outside her makeshift house on the outskirts of Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
In the Al Kausar Nagar migrant camp in Jodhpur, huts made out of thin, wispy branches, like birds’ nests, nestle in clusters, with quilts with vibrant Pakistani tribal designs hanging off their sides.
Bands of Pakistani Hindu women crouch over unfinished quilts, stitching away, hoping to sell them in the market to wealthier Indians. They complain that they receive little government assistance, siphoning what little electricity and water they can off municipal lines, and that the quality of public schooling for their children is not as good as it is in Pakistan, a main source of grievance for the many who migrated to give their children better opportunities.
This is not the Hindu paradise they had crossed the border to join, they said. This is not the India Mr. Modi promised them.
Mr. Bheel is wracked by doubt, the same doubt his grandfather had when he chose to keep the family in Pakistan during partition. Did he make the right choice?
He left his home and siblings in Karachi, trading a lucrative job as an administrator of a medical clinic there to live as a migrant in India. His medical diploma, one of the few possessions he brought with him, hangs proudly on a wall, although it is not valid in India. He struggles to make ends meet here.
“You take these decisions sometimes out of excitement for what your life could be,” Mr. Bheel said, his daughter cuddling beside him on a bench. “Then you arrive and realize it’s much different on the ground.”
Mr. Bheel looked on as his wife struggled to contain rainwater leaking from the ceiling, after a monsoon swiftly obliterated the sunny sky. Eventually she gave up, running out of pots and buckets.
“Maybe this wasn’t the right decision for me,” he said. “But maybe my children will look back and say, ‘My father made the right choice.’”
Hari Kumar contributed reporting from Jodhpur, India, and Zia ur-Rehman from Karachi, Pakistan.
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 6, 2019, Section A, Page 7 of the New York edition with the headline: Pakistan Hindus Rethink Decisions Made in 1947.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-india-modi.html
Hindu migrants from Pakistan arriving to take oaths of Indian citizenship recently at a magistrate office in Jodhpur, India.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
By Maria Abi-Habib
- Oct. 5, 2019
In April, an angry mob vandalized a different Hindu temple, smashing its idols and chucking the pieces in an open sewer. In May, a Hindu veterinarian was accused of blasphemy in a neighboring town, his shop burned to the ground on the rumor that he was selling medicine wrapped in Islamic religious text.
More than 70 years after the partition of India and Pakistan, increasing violence in this officially Muslim country against the Hindu minority — about 1 percent of Pakistan’s 210 million people — is leading some Hindus to rethink the choices and fate that left their families on the Pakistani side of the line in 1947, residents say.
Hindu migrants from Pakistan waiting outside the Foreigners’ Registration Office in Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
“Most of our elders at the time of partition did not migrate to India because they did not want to lose their businesses. But now they see it was the wrong decision,” said Kumar, a small-business owner from Ghotki District in Pakistan’s Sindh Province, where the attacks unfolded on Sept. 15. He asked that his last name be withheld, fearing mob violence.
“I am considering moving to India, where at least no one can kill me on the basis of my faith,” he said.
The trepidation among Pakistani Hindus is mirrored in many ways among the Muslim minority in India, where a campaign of Hindu nationalism led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s party has left many Muslims feeling targeted. Sectarian fears in both India and Pakistan always peak during times of tension, and hostility between the neighbors is running particularly high right now.
Bheel Basti, a settlement of Hindu migrants from Pakistan, on the outskirts of Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
In Pakistan, local officials say the pressure for Hindus to weigh moving to India has not been this great since a wave of sectarian violence led many to migrate in the 1990s, after a Hindu mob in India tore down a 16th-century mosque, the Babri Masjid, leading to retaliatory attacks in Pakistan.
The current migration is because of Mr. Modi’s open appeals to Hindu identity in India, they say, stripping the country of the secular framework it was founded on to give supremacy to their religion.
Since Mr. Modi’s election victory, Pakistani Hindus say they have had an easier time obtaining religious or pilgrimage visas to India, which they can then convert to long-term visas if they seek Indian citizenship.
By The New York Times
Though the exact number of Hindu migrants is hard to pin down, indications of a wider push to go to India can be seen in the numbers of those long-term visas. In 2018, the Indian government granted 12,732 long-term visas, compared with 4,712 in 2017, and 2,298 in 2016, according to the Ministry of External Affairs. About 95 percent of long-term visas are granted to Pakistani Hindus, officials say.
Millions of Hindus remained in Pakistan when Britain carved out the state from the subcontinent to create a Muslim homeland at independence in 1947. They were unwilling to abandon their homes and businesses, like the millions of Muslims who ended up on the Indian side during partition, where now about 200 million live.
But angry sectarian mobs on both sides of the border sought to change those demographics at the nations’ birth, killing up to two million people and displacing 14 million. Trains packed with terrified Muslims and Hindus fleeing in opposite directions on the railway between India and Pakistan arrived full of corpses, passengers massacred mid-journey.
Filling water containers at the Al Kausar Nagar camp for Pakistani Hindu migrants near Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Train service between the countries was suspended when they went to war in 1965 and 1971, but eventually resumed. Last month, Pakistan suspended India-bound trains once again, protesting New Delhi’s move to strip the autonomy from the portion of Kashmir it controls, a Muslim-majority state the countries have long fought over.
Even among Pakistani Hindus who are considering going to India, there are very real reasons to hesitate.
Kumar is one who is torn. Though he was shaken by the recent violence in his hometown, he said he was still reluctant to pick up and leave when the trains start running again. He has said goodbye to neighbors who have migrated to India, only to see them return to Pakistan months or years later, disappointed.
Bhagchand Bheel and his family came to India from Karachi, Pakistan, in 2014. At first he hoped that being part of a Hindu majority would make life better. “Then you arrive and realize it’s much different,” he said.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Bhagchand Bheel is one of the disappointed. When he migrated to India in 2014, he was grateful to leave the violence and pressure of Karachi, Pakistan’s commercial hub. He boarded the Thar Express to Zero Point Station, the last stop before the border, where he and his family lugged their bags by foot into India, settling in a camp in the city of Jodhpur.
He was among his people, he thought, and could finally be free. But he is of a lower caste, and when he tried to enter a Hindu temple, he was barred entry by the priest because of it, he said. And when a friend tried to drink from the community water well, he was physically assaulted by upper caste Brahmins who accused him of polluting it.
“In Pakistan, the only thing that matters is if you are Hindu or Muslim,” said Mr. Bheel, whose last name is derived from his tribe. “Because we are Hindus, in Pakistan we were discriminated against. But in India, I face discrimination because I’m a Bheel.”
Children at the Al Kausar Nagar migrant camp outside Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
Like many Pakistani Hindus, Mr. Bheel migrated after Mr. Modi came to power in 2014, after a long campaign promoting Hindu nationalism.
Muslims in India say life has gotten progressively harder for them, too. Mr. Modi’s government is accused of turning a blind eye to the scores of Muslim men lynched by Hindu mobs. When an 8-year old Muslim girl was gang raped and killed in Kashmir last year by Hindu men, local police officers allegedly helped cover up the crime.
But despite the discrimination Muslims face in India, they do not tend to migrate to Pakistan in the numbers their Hindu counterparts in Pakistan do. Indian Muslims tend to migrate to the West instead.
A Hindu migrant from Pakistan outside her makeshift house on the outskirts of Jodhpur.Credit...Saumya Khandelwal for The New York Times
In the Al Kausar Nagar migrant camp in Jodhpur, huts made out of thin, wispy branches, like birds’ nests, nestle in clusters, with quilts with vibrant Pakistani tribal designs hanging off their sides.
Bands of Pakistani Hindu women crouch over unfinished quilts, stitching away, hoping to sell them in the market to wealthier Indians. They complain that they receive little government assistance, siphoning what little electricity and water they can off municipal lines, and that the quality of public schooling for their children is not as good as it is in Pakistan, a main source of grievance for the many who migrated to give their children better opportunities.
This is not the Hindu paradise they had crossed the border to join, they said. This is not the India Mr. Modi promised them.
Mr. Bheel is wracked by doubt, the same doubt his grandfather had when he chose to keep the family in Pakistan during partition. Did he make the right choice?
He left his home and siblings in Karachi, trading a lucrative job as an administrator of a medical clinic there to live as a migrant in India. His medical diploma, one of the few possessions he brought with him, hangs proudly on a wall, although it is not valid in India. He struggles to make ends meet here.
“You take these decisions sometimes out of excitement for what your life could be,” Mr. Bheel said, his daughter cuddling beside him on a bench. “Then you arrive and realize it’s much different on the ground.”
Mr. Bheel looked on as his wife struggled to contain rainwater leaking from the ceiling, after a monsoon swiftly obliterated the sunny sky. Eventually she gave up, running out of pots and buckets.
“Maybe this wasn’t the right decision for me,” he said. “But maybe my children will look back and say, ‘My father made the right choice.’”
Hari Kumar contributed reporting from Jodhpur, India, and Zia ur-Rehman from Karachi, Pakistan.
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 6, 2019, Section A, Page 7 of the New York edition with the headline: Pakistan Hindus Rethink Decisions Made in 1947.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/world/asia/pakistan-hindu-india-modi.html
We dont need tyrants telling us how to protect our citizens.
Matter of fact, its Pakistanis who will have to go into India and protect their citizens aometime soon in this day and age
And when that day comes no Hindu sanghi will be spared.
