American attack aftermath: Pakistan declares attack a 'plot'

[VCheng]

Sure. This is not the thread though. Create a separate thread. This thread is meant for specific updates from the NATO/Pakistan position with respect to NATO Kills 28 Pakistani Soldiers in Unprovoked Night Attack. Got it?

Yes, so that is why I am hoping there is an update to the investigation from the Pakistan side too.

Do you have anything in that regard perhaps, to stay on topic?

 

[53fd]

Yes, so that is why I am hoping there is an update to the investigation from the Pakistan side too.

Do you have anything in that regard perhaps, to stay on topic?

Phew. It was getting a bit tiring with all your off-topic trollish posts.

Here is a statement coming out from Pakistan:

NATO supply stopped permanently:

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Sunday said that the supply of NATO has not been suspended rather it has been stopped permanently. Talking to reporters at National Crisis Management Cell of Ministry of Interior, he strongly condemned the NATO attack on Pakistani forces.

“NATO force should respect feelings of Pakistani nation.” He said the nation and the government were aggrieved on the death of 24 officials of Pakistani security forces in the wake of NATO aggression on Salala post in Mohmand Agency. He said the decisions of the Defence Cabinet Committee (DCC) on the NATO forces attack inside Pakistan would be implemented in letter and spirit. “The decisions of the DCC are final and would be implemented,” he added.

The minister said that NATO containers, which have been stopped, would not be allowed to cross the Pak-Afghan border. Malik said that the democratic government of Pakistan would not take dictation from anyone. Referring to security arrangements for Muharram, he said the security arrangements for the month of Muharram have been completed and foolproof security would be ensured across the country to maintain the sanctity of the holy month. He informed that the Rangers and police have been deployed in sensitive areas of Punjab, while the Army would maintain peace and order in Sindh during Muharram, adding that the Sindh police have been given extra powers to maintain law and order in the province. app

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[VCheng]

Phew. It was getting a bit tiring with all your off-topic trollish posts.

Here is a statement coming out from Pakistan:



Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

So now we are to regard Rahman Malik as credible?

"Permanent" means a few weeks at the most.

 

[53fd]

So now we are to regard Rahman Malik as credible?

Well, we'll see what happens later. You've speculated on this issue before on this thread, so let's wait to see how things unfold.

 

[Agni5000]

Kabul, Western Officials Say NATO and Afghan Forces Came Under Fire Before Deadly Attack; Relations Further Imperiled

Airstrike Ravages U.S.-Pakistan Ties - WSJ.com

 

[VCheng]

Well, we'll see what happens later. You've speculated on this issue before on this thread, so let's wait to see how things unfold.

Sure, let me go say special prayers for the fallen, and get a good night's sleep.

 

[American Pakistani]

 

[pakdefender]

US/NATO Pakistan relations will go from bad to to worse from here on , which is good for Pakistan since we need a clean break from these people , they have caused enough death and destruction in our country.

Hope that the blood of our martyrs is avenged and not just for the 28 who fell in this attack but for every Pakistani death that these people have cused for the whole of the past 10 years!!!

 

[SMC]

Kabul, Western Officials Say NATO and Afghan Forces Came Under Fire Before Deadly Attack; Relations Further Imperiled

Airstrike Ravages U.S.-Pakistan Ties - WSJ.com

We've been over this several times now. Ground troops couldn't have known where fire was coming from that late at night, from kilometers away. The maps of all military outposts are exchanged, yet they chose to target the checkpost.

These guys are basically lying to save their ***. Ground reality is different.

 

[Roybot]

This is definitely not an accident. It was a well planned attack. All those media reports about Pakistan playing double game with America couple of weeks before this incident is not a mere coincidence. They created the public opinion and then went in. I mean according to a recent poll more than 50% of Americans want America to bomb Pakistan!

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Couple of things comes to mind,

If the airstrike went on for two hours,

- First why didn't Pakistani forces call in Air support of its own

-Second why didn't Pakistan Army get in touch with NATO straight away while the attack was on, to inform the NATO forces that they were infact attacking a Pakistani Army post. I mean one phone call, thats all that was needed.
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It could mean couple of things,

-The airstrike didn't go on for 2 hours as being reported by Pakistani side.

-or NATO was after something big(HVT) and were willing to take the risk of getting 1/3rd of their supplies choked in order to achieve that target.

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Just my 2 cent hypothesis.

 

[Agni5000]

We've been over this several times now. Ground troops couldn't have known where fire was coming from that late at night, from kilometers away. The maps of all military outposts are exchanged, yet they chose to target the checkpost.

These guys are basically lying to save their ***. Ground reality is different.

Helicopter has night vision, they might have seen it coming from pak army post so they fired back.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan Army should hit back with all of its weapons other wise it is hate read with in Army against its leadership this can be complete disaster for the Army

 

[President Camacho]

This is definitely not an accident. It was a well planned attack. All those media reports about Pakistan playing double game with America couple of weeks before this incident is not a mere coincidence. They created the public opinion and then went in. I mean according to a recent poll more than 50% of Americans want America to bomb Pakistan!

========================================================================
Couple of things comes to mind,

If the airstrike went on for two hours,

- First why didn't Pakistani forces call in Air support of its own

-Second why didn't Pakistan Army get in touch with NATO straight away while the attack was on, to inform the NATO forces that they were infact attacking a Pakistani Army post. I mean one phone call, thats all that was needed.
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It could mean couple of things,

-The airstrike didn't go on for 2 hours as being reported by Pakistani side.

-or NATO was after something big(HVT) and were willing to take the risk of getting 1/3rd of their supplies choked in order to achieve that target.

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Just my 2 cent hypothesis.

Per the reports of the 'anonymous' sources...

Afghan soldiers were the first ones that got into firefight with PA troops... each claim they were in their own territory, although Pakistani claim sounds more solid because they were deep inside - 1-2 KM. Afghan troops called in NATO reinforcement, probably presuming that they were ambushed by Taliban. NATO came in to give a blunt response to the "Taliban" fighters. The firefight lasted for a little more than an hour. It has not yet been cleared for precisely how long the choppers remained engaged in the fight.

 

[SMC]

Helicopter has night vision, they might have seen it coming from pak army post so they fired back.

The ground troops pointed out where the fire was coming from, that too 2.5 km inside Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

Per the reports of the 'anonymous' sources...

Afghan soldiers were the first ones that got into firefight with PA troops... each claim they were in their own territory, although Pakistani claim sounds more solid because they were deep inside - 1-2 KM. Afghan troops called in NATO reinforcement, probably presuming that they were ambushed by Taliban. NATO came in to give a blunt response to the "Taliban" fighters. The firefight lasted for a little more than an hour. It has not yet been cleared for precisely how long the choppers remained engaged in the fight.

It was 2.5km (1.5 miles) inside Pakistani territory, not 1-2 km. There are two distinct claims coming out of Afghanistan right now: one says there was a hot pursuit of terrorists in Eastern Afghanistan by the ANA assisted by the coalition forces, & with the poorly marked border, they accidentally crossed the border, & the Pakistani soldiers were killed accidentally.

The other claims says that there was fire from the Pakistani soldiers first close to the border, & the Afghan Forces thought it was coming from the terrorists. So they asked the NATO helicopters to join in on the attack. This is their claim of firing in defense. The Afghan Forces could not have known where the fire was coming from to Afghanistan 2.5km into Pakistan.

The fact of the matter is that there is no consistency in the NATO accounts, there cannot be firing into Afghanistan 2.5 km inside Pakistani territory. The NATO helicopters did not attack one, but two Pakistani outposts in located in separate locations. Whatever lies NATO makes cannot be reconciled, because the attacks took place 2.5km inside Pakistan, not a small distance by any chance. The poor marking of the border cannot be used as an excuse either.