America’s Indian Rebuff

[lepziboy]

Aren`t the migs being decommissioned now or are already decommissioned from the IAF?

 

[majesticpankaj]

sure you can use the blackmail for standing up for own interests thats not unusual BUT atleast dont fool your own people by saying lives of Indian pilots are important than US jets lolzz specially when your pilots are still in flying coffins aka Mig

lol.......... when we did blackmailing ??? isn't that obvious that we don't want pakistan to have sophisticated weapons ?? why we wanna go fro F_16 so that they can blackmail at the time of war and charge premium.... as far as mig is concerned we have learned our lessons... but u do not learn from their mistake we call them moron. the best decision have taken.. so be happy a bit for india..

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Aren`t the migs being decommissioned now or are already decommissioned from the IAF?

They are being phased out. The older ones are gone. The remaining one are mostly the 'Bisons'. Which went head-to-head with the USAF during the "Cope" exercises. Google to get the gen on how the 'Bisons' performed then and te USAF's impressions of the aircraft.

 

[dbc]

To buy......stuff.

To buy stuff? à la the East India Company, is this evidence of significant post colonial hangover? India's contribution to US GDP remains insignificant. We certainly and most assuredly do not need India to 'buy our stuff'. If you meant to imply US industries will wilt or perish in the absence of Indian patronage then its unlikely.

The question once again why does the United States of America need India?

 

[faithfulguy]

- a huge market for their products, be it civillian, or now the defence related as well
- an Asian counterweight to China in the economic sense, especially when Japan and S. Korea are tumbling at the moment
- an influential UNC power
- a possible military threat to China on their western borders, that China need to keep an eye on, that requires the division of their forces around the country, instead of having a strong force in the east alone
- a capable naval power in the Indian Ocean to block the oil supply routes to the east, in case of a conflict between the US and China

All these are possible advantages IF India would be an ally of the US, but as a matter of fact, India prefers to be independent and follows its own interests, a lesson the US might have learned now.

If India expect US to create an exception for India in term of end user agreement, India better wake up. In the end, India will come begging for US to setup bases in India as India's capability vs its enemies decreases over time. By that time, US/India relationship will be base more on US terms that Indians would wish it had come closer to the US earlier instead of have one foot on a boat.

 

[faithfulguy]

The same thing you guys offer to China. The only difference that our economy is not verge of getting bankrupt, no terrorism, no drone attacks, no electricity cuts, no Balochistan like movements.

And in fact we can HELP them and won't be burden on them at least. We won't open threads like 'Dear US: Help us fix India'. We know how to take care of our country.

And what newspaper, tv do you work for? Or you work for Zaid Hamid?

Then India should invite US to setup bases in India.

 

[third eye]

Why does the United States need India?

Its all about money honey.

India needs to buy & US needs to sell to keep its defence & other industries running.

 

[faithfulguy]

To buy stuff? à la the East India Company, is this evidence of significant post colonial hangover? India's contribution to US GDP remains insignificant. We certainly and most assuredly do not need India to 'buy our stuff'. If you meant to imply US industries will wilt or perish in the absence of Indian patronage then its unlikely.

The question once again why does the United States of America need India?

I would say because of geo-political reasons. The world is becoming divided into two camps like the cold war. This time around, its the US and the western alliance against China/Russia SCO group. If India would side with the US, than the US camp would be much stronger. If it choose to side with China/Russia, than it would make the China/Russia camp stronger as compare to the west. If it choose to be independent, than no one would trust India.

 

[Kinetic]

If India expect US to create an exception for India in term of end user agreement, India better wake up.

They already have many exception for India and they will have more. You will be watching that and burn.

In the end, India will come begging for US to setup bases in India as India's capability vs its enemies decreases over time.

Its quite opposite though our enemy have bases of many countries not US. About begging who knows it more than you?

By that time, US/India relationship will be base more on US terms that Indians would wish it had come closer to the US earlier instead of have one foot on a boat.

lol That s exactly you want neither US nor India.

 

[Kinetic]

Then India should invite US to setup bases in India.

Your frustration does not decide India-US relation.

 

[third eye]

I would say because of geo-political reasons. The world is becoming divided into two camps like the cold war. This time around, its the US and the western alliance against China/Russia SCO group. If India would side with the US, than the US camp would be much stronger. If it choose to side with China/Russia, than it would make the China/Russia camp stronger as compare to the west. If it choose to be independent, than no one would trust India.

This is funny

India should & does choose to be with itself - always & everytime.

 

[punit]

i am asking what you can offer US as an ally in strategic terms?

1. counterwright to some countries USA has problems.
2. Business
3. Jobs : last time Obama came he got 20K jobs back home.
4. Numerous defence deals coming soon : heli, howitzer, transport planes
etc etc ..

 

[DarK-LorD]

The US needs India more than India needing the US.

With money in your pockets the buyer chooses the vendor. Only when you want it on credit or gratis is one lumped with the corner store.

Both of us is important for the other we require US technological help.

 

[Omega007]

Guys,why do you allways keep westing your time answering morons like faithful guy,jana et al?
And regarding blackmailing USA let them think what they want.

 

[KS]

This non-selection of the American fighters in the MMRCA is NOT a re-buff or anything else.

We still need a good working partnership with America as it is still the world's sole superpower and still its influence in world politics is un-rivalled.

It is just that the fighters did not make the cut in the 643 criteria mentioned in the ASQR and that their ToT offer was not relatively good in addition to the host of intrusive agreements that come as an un wanted baggage.

If the Americans think it is a rebuff, well its their right but we should not express such thoughts ourselves. And also its hardly any rebuff when you hand over another 10 Billion dollars in defence deals for Transport,Maritime reconnaissance AC,Howitzers etc.