AMD the subject of takeover rumors by Chinese firm

[jamahir]

dude, i think you have a tendency of going off topic, how complicate or inefficient onx86 is beside the point, even tho if its as you say, that still does not explain why x86 is still the best chip set there s out there and better than Chinese and Russia chip set out there, if you are thinking x86 is too complicate and inefficient, probably that only mean your skill not good enough on how the design work, and if i have to take your word and sayt x86 is inferior or how intel peocessor is currently, BY FAR, the best processor there is in the market? Who really do care what you think? Maybe if India, China or Eussia or all 3 can make a better processor than intel, then maybe, just maybe would somebody five a damn about it

X86 patent and its core design is a closely guard secret, and selling them to China is a big no-no

you had a big argument about clockless processors in that thread and now this.

i don't know why you keep talking so highly of this "x86 patent"... it is only a legal technicality.

my group's ability is proved on the internet the moment i speak of clockless processors... i don't care about intel or amd or sparc or any other western processor and their 10 ghz speeds or 100 ghz speeds... please, i don't care... my project goes away from those processors, and i again repeat, it is a political project.

 

[jhungary]

you had a big argument about clockless processors in that thread and now this.

i don't know why you keep talking so highly of this "x86 patent"... it is only a legal technicality... nothing great.... like i said, my project rejected x86.

my group's ability is proved on the internet the moment i speak of clockless processors... i don't care about intel or amd or sparc or any other western processor and their 10 ghz speeds or 100 ghz speeds... please, i don't care... my project goes away from those processors, and i again repeat, it is a political project.

dude, this was not about how x86 design , this is about will China buy AMD, as with the last one where the topic is not on how clockless design is better than the clocked design, but about Russian CPU

I cant see you are logical enough ro stay on topic and you claim you are a CPU designer? Lol, You do know its illogical ro pick a random line to reply to a topic that have nothing to do with the original title right? For a CPU engineer, or claim to be a CPU engineer, you should know about this.

Honestly, I dont really care what you or your team does, I can tell you I work at Intel and is one of the main Engineer or Designer that does not mean i did, hence I always said I only have interest on IT and i only did 1 year in Computer Engineer in college. So should I hold you with any regard for a person who claim he is a CPU architecture designer? No, especially when the man seems to have problem to focus on topic, now, do you see what I meant?

 

[Genesis]

don't think even China could save AMD in the short term.

what makes you think we want to?

I'll say what I said about Facebook, you can change, you can kiss ***, you can work with Chinese companies, you can co-ownership with Chinese, but you now what you can't do?

Be Chinese. AMD, even if bought will only act as a way to learn how to operate, now if they can make money, why not keep them going, if not, they can join the other cast offs that nobody remembers anymore.

 

[jamahir]

dude, this was not about how x86 design , this is about will China buy AMD, as with the last one where the topic is not on how clockless design is better than the clocked design, but about Russian CPU

I cant see you are logical enough ro stay on topic and you claim you are a CPU designer? Lol, You do know its illogical ro pick a random line to reply to a topic that have nothing to do with the original title right? For a CPU engineer, or claim to be a CPU engineer, you should know about this.

Honestly, I dont really care what you or your team does, I can tell you I work at Intel and is one of the main Engineer or Designer that does not mean i did, hence I always said I only have interest on IT and i only did 1 year in Computer Engineer in college. So should I hold you with any regard for a person who claim he is a CPU architecture designer? No, especially when the man seems to have problem to focus on topic, now, do you see what I meant?

alright... since you are being supremely logical, your super-secret intel x86 design will not be allowed by usa government to be sold to china.

anything else??

 

[C130]

what makes you think we want to?

I'll say what I said about Facebook, you can change, you can kiss ***, you can work with Chinese companies, you can co-ownership with Chinese, but you now what you can't do?

Be Chinese. AMD, even if bought will only act as a way to learn how to operate, now if they can make money, why not keep them going, if not, they can join the other cast offs that nobody remembers anymore.

Be chinese
am I wrong to say the rich and smart Chinese are actually leaving the PRC???

going to greener pastures. Chinese money and investment is good though.

 

[Genesis]

Be chinese
am I wrong to say the rich and smart Chinese are actually leaving the PRC???

going to greener pastures. Chinese money and investment is good though.

America is better, can I not say that? Is that not true? It's free, it's cleaner, it's more international, it's a lot of things that China isn't.

I think Americans and others are confused, China is gaining national strength, even when we surpass your GDP, we will still only be 1/4 the nation in terms of living standard for all. A poor place in US has a per capita of 25,000 well above China's.

America is better for the individual, period.

But for me, going back to China isn't as strange a proposition as it was when we first arrived in North America. Would I consider permanent residence? Depends on a few things, none of which I'm willing to share, but it's getting there.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

dude, this was not about how x86 design , this is about will China buy AMD, as with the last one where the topic is not on how clockless design is better than the clocked design, but about Russian CPU

I cant see you are logical enough ro stay on topic and you claim you are a CPU designer? Lol, You do know its illogical ro pick a random line to reply to a topic that have nothing to do with the original title right? For a CPU engineer, or claim to be a CPU engineer, you should know about this.

Honestly, I dont really care what you or your team does, I can tell you I work at Intel and is one of the main Engineer or Designer that does not mean i did, hence I always said I only have interest on IT and i only did 1 year in Computer Engineer in college. So should I hold you with any regard for a person who claim he is a CPU architecture designer? No, especially when the man seems to have problem to focus on topic, now, do you see what I meant?

I work on micro-controller firmware for many years and I can tell you that it is not difficult (for a team of engineers) to emulate the entire x86/x64 assembly language command to allow windows to run. Sun has the entire OpenSparc online on Verilog.

OpenSPARC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The important thing is you wont do it better than Intel in performance/price. If you implement your own OpenSPARC, your Xilinx FPGA to cost you a bomb. (opensparc not compatible with x86/x64 but they are powerful by itself)

You purchase AMD for the whole system engineering chain that allow you to compete with Intel.

As a point of engineer, X86/x64 is a very lousy architecture and they are piece of mess because it has backward compatibility in mind. Nothing good and nothing special but extremely difficult to learn the whole architecture. You get puzzled why designer implement things in a stupid way, and after a long time, you figure out it is for backward compatibility.

With all these bad thing, Intel engineers make it super power saving and very high speed. Also you need to throw away your windows if you forgo X86/x64.

Any college EECS student can download CPU core and burn it inside FPGA and they will have their CPU.

 

[Providence]

too big to transfer?? beyond the lawyer-speak, it is just instruction set and memory layout and i/o system.

Hey Boy, you have no idea about integrated chips do you ?

We are no longer in IBM days of 70's when every damn detail was available with proper documentation. That IBM mistake helped intel become the world's largest chip company from a second-rung IBM vendor.

Never will such mistake be repeated again.

Be chinese
am I wrong to say the rich and smart Chinese are actually leaving the PRC???

going to greener pastures. Chinese money and investment is good though.

Did you ever had an aha moment while driving down the country side ? Did you feel the rush when a brilliant business plan strikes you and you plan on setting it up in the state where maybe you are parked currently ?

Well such things are unheard of there.

 

[rcrmj]

Be chinese
am I wrong to say the rich and smart Chinese are actually leaving the PRC???

going to greener pastures. Chinese money and investment is good though.

in my circle of friends most of them do have PR in Europe, N.America and Australia, but we dont want live there, as apart from cleaner air, the food $ucks, the entertainment $ucks, the entrepreneur atmosphere ￥ucks and the hospital is a joke`````

but there are some Chinese people really want to live in your country, 1: corrupted officials family and lazy Chinese who want to live under State welfare (ts what they called social welfare bummers)`````

 

[TaiShang]

China's Reverse Brain Drain

International Studies of Management & Organization
Volume 44, Issue 2, 2014

This review examines why mainland Chinese students who study abroad repatriate to China, how they fare on reentry to China, and whether they reexpatriate. We show that Chinese students are motivated not only by career and economic considerations when deciding to repatriate, but also by social and psychological concerns. They are chiefly pulled home by China's attractions (e.g., career and economic opportunities, family and friends, national cultural identity) and, to a lesser extent, are pushed away from the host country by deterrents (e.g., dissatisfaction with career and economic opportunities, lack of cultural assimilation). They are also pulled to stay in their host country by its attractions (e.g., career opportunities, children's educational opportunities). On return, foreign graduates may suffer negative reactions, including reverse culture shock, poor cross-cultural readjustment, and unmet expectations, and a small but significant minority will reexpatriate. The study concludes with a set of potential research questions.

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[Providence]

China's Reverse Brain Drain

International Studies of Management & Organization
Volume 44, Issue 2, 2014

This review examines why mainland Chinese students who study abroad repatriate to China, how they fare on reentry to China, and whether they reexpatriate. We show that Chinese students are motivated not only by career and economic considerations when deciding to repatriate, but also by social and psychological concerns. They are chiefly pulled home by China's attractions (e.g., career and economic opportunities, family and friends, national cultural identity) and, to a lesser extent, are pushed away from the host country by deterrents (e.g., dissatisfaction with career and economic opportunities, lack of cultural assimilation). They are also pulled to stay in their host country by its attractions (e.g., career opportunities, children's educational opportunities). On return, foreign graduates may suffer negative reactions, including reverse culture shock, poor cross-cultural readjustment, and unmet expectations, and a small but significant minority will reexpatriate. The study concludes with a set of potential research questions.

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Those are just flimsy grounds and once a sizeable chinese community network grows these things won't matter.

Flood of rich Chinese settle in UK

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/986bd08a-9b10-11e4-882d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3Q4lBk5Ye

Chinese Tourists Are Flooding Into The US Thanks To A New Visa Rule

Read more: Chinese Tourists To US On The Rise - Business Insider

 

[hans]

China has sufficient demand to save AMD..
Yet I think US will not allow to sell AMD..

I've been a AMD fanboy since 2008, but now I dunno.
good value, but Intel/Nvidia just killing it nowadays.
don't think even China could save AMD in the short term.

 

[TaiShang]

Why the U.S. Is Losing Foreign Graduates - Businessweek

"...After finishing their studies, large numbers of foreign students have traditionally chosen to stay in the U.S. to work full-time or pursue postdoctoral work. But that dynamic appears to be changing, the report says. Of the survey respondents, very few would like to stay in the U.S. permanently; only 6% of Indian, 10% of Chinese, and 15% of Europeans. The largest group of respondents wants to return home within five years—45% of Indian, 40% of Chinese, and 30% of European students."

Over 270,000 overseas Chinese students return in 2012 CCTV News - CNTV English

"...China is now the world’s largest source of overseas students. And the country’s globalization is greatly benefiting from the talents returning home. A recent report shows the rising trend to come back after graduation or a few years of work.

"Staying or leaving?"

That’s a question many overseas Chinese students ask each other--and themselves--repeatedly.

And the latest study shows more and more are heading home.

According to the newly released report on overseas Chinese students returning to China, more than 270,000 returned in 2012. That’s nearly a 47 percent jump from the previous year.

In the past five years, 800,000 students have returned after graduation, triple the number between 1978 and 2008.

The main attraction is enormous job opportunities brought by China’s maturing economy.
...
The report notes the reasons for coming back vary according to generation. For those born in the 1960s and 70s, it was career development. For those born in the 1980s and 90s, over 90 percent choose "family" as their primary reason."

More students back from abroad CCTV News - CNTV English

The number of Chinese students returning from overseas is set to exceed those going abroad within the next five years, a survey released on Monday shows.

The report by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences on Chinese talent returning home said the number coming back has continued to increase since 2004.

By 2018, the balance is likely to tilt in favor of the returnees.

Last year, about 2.6 million Chinese went overseas for education, training or on exchange programs, compared with more than 1 million who returned from abroad.

...
The report says more than 60 percent of those returning found jobs within six months. Some 25 percent were hired by foreign companies and their branches in China, with the finance sector being the biggest attraction.

"The younger generation feels comfortable living in China after studying overseas, because it would be very difficult for them to merge into mainstream society in a foreign country," said Xia Yingqi, 64, chief adviser at the Beijing Overseas Chinese Talent Center...

But despite the increasing number of students returning from overseas, the cream of them — those with doctorate degrees in science or engineering — are still unwilling to come back.

Statistics from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development show that from 1990 to 1999 nearly 90 percent of overseas Chinese students falling into this category chose to stay abroad. The situation shows no sign of changing.

The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences' report said more than half of the Chinese who returned from overseas in 2012 were undergraduates."

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You're saying Congress would intervene in a Public traded company's case?

Doesn't matter if it is public or private.
Lockheed Martin is public...you think the US Government would allow a hostile takeover of it or something?
If it did then what an easy way to squash the F35!

 

[C130]

China has sufficient demand to save AMD..
Yet I think US will not allow to sell AMD..

i thought the customers determine what they'll buy??

are you saying if China buys AMD that'll ban Intel from the Chinese market??? Lenovo won't use Intel processor either??