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Amazing Pictures of PAF!!!

This could've been kept personal. I don't see why this was necessary to share on a public defence forum about "Pakistan".

For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow.......for he is..... a Jolly good fellow!

Pilots are the same everywhere, they seem to have a strange sense of camaraderieship/respect, even among rival forces. I have seen a couple of documentaries about Israeli pilots where they expressed remorse over the death of a rival force's pilot. Mind you, its a matter of pride to knock out an enemy plane out of the air, but every pilot prays that the other pilot, atleast, bails out safely!

Considering the risk they undertake, their 'living on the edge' profession, we can atleast look the other way for their so called personal digressions! And oh, they are far better than any ordinary people and so they can show off! If ya got it, ya flaunt it!!

My respect to all the combat pilots the world over!
 
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Qsaark,

This thread was not following someone to the mosque or to the pub---or which one is better than the other---I mean to say---you can go to the mosque and then at your discretion go to the pub as well if that is what you want to do---.

I believe that Muradk just made a statement of how things were---we can take it just at its face value.

What happened at that time was what the officers were taught----it was cool to be drunk---that is what they learnt from the british----why do you think pakistanis indians drink so much whiskey and why not other forms of liquors---because the whiskey was the MANLY drink---the british officers drank whiskey---the pakistanis and indians wanted to look cool---so that is what they did---they didnot know any better---they don't know that you don't need to burn your throat and feel bitter----you can have a captain MORGAN and coke and have a nice smooth drink---or enjoy a SCREW DRIVER, a kamikaze shooter---or a nice tequilla---or you can go about and enjoy a nice nice bottle of red wine---a cabernet sauvignon---or just simply enjoy some champagne---let the bubbly do its thing---.

Come on guys---can we get back to the thread---can someone find some pictures.

Mr. Mastan Khan,

You forget the main thing Burbon, Vodka, Gin, and Cognac.

Sorry went of the thread, just could not resist.
 
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Mr. Mastan Khan,

You forget the main thing Burbon, Vodka, Gin, and Cognac.

Sorry went of the thread, just could not resist.


Hi,

To each---his own---as the farmer kissed the cow.:cheers:
 
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Now please don't derail the topic Further by starting a new debate on the Translation of Islamic Teachings and what is forbidden and what is not.

Iam not trying to derail this thread or neither i am interested of teaching some1 about Islam cuz of the lack of knowledge i have and dont tell me what i have to do.

Yes its true, So...

ask ur self .......so?

Even Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was Not Ordered By ALLAH (SWTH) to Force People to accept Teachings of Islam His Job was Just to Deliver the message and Let the People have the choice between good and bad. Everyone is responsible for his Deeds and ALLAH (SWTH) is the Best Judge.

i said this above....

Our Armed Forces are our Pride and whenever we are in Trouble (Natural or Man Made disaster) we look towards our Armed Forces, They are Like Ideals for the whole Nation and You have to admit that Such Acts by the Officers are not Easily Digested by our Nation due to our religious and Social
Orientation.

i never doubted my armed forces, they are excellent in their profession. It was just my share of views and opinion and please dont take it too personal. I am not pointing my fiinger on any1.

I am sorry this thread is not meant for this kindaa discussion so i m withdrawing myself to make further comments. Thanks
 
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Qsaark,


I believe that Muradk just made a statement of how things were---we can take it just at its face value.

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Lolzzz...... :lol:
Sir Muradk must be regreting that he disclosed something like this and the members found something to comment on.:enjoy:
 
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Allah and his prophet has urged the muslims to say the right thing in the light of the teachings of Islam. Provided that they bythemselves are not doing the same. So I said what I believe was correct in the light of Quran and Sunnah.

Amr bil Maroof(Abm) & Nahi Anil Munkar(Nam) -Enjoining good & forbidding evil

“And there should be a group amongst you who invite towards good, order for acknowledged virtues, forbid from sin and these it is that are the successful ones” (Ale Imran: 104)

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) said: “How will it be for you when your women will commit sins and your youth will transgress and you will not order for acknowledged virtues nor forbid from sin? It was said to him: “Will that happen O messenger of Allah?” Then he (S.A.W.) said: Yes. Then he said: “How will it be for you when you order for sins and forbid from acknowledged virtues?” Then it was said to him: “O messenger of Allah(S.A.W.)! Will that happen?” Then he said: “Yes and worse than that how will it be for you when you perceive acknowledged virtue as sin and perceive sin as acknowledged virtue?”

Indeed it has also reached from them (the ahlulbayt) – may peace be upon them – “Surely it is through ordering for acknowledged virtues that responsibilities stand ground, ideologies are safeguarded, earnings become permissible, oppression resisted, the earth inhabited, oppressed met with justice against oppressor and the people do not receive any good when they do not order for the acknowledged virtues nor forbid from sin nor co-operate in doing good. Hence, when they do not do that blessings withdraw, some of them over-power others and there is no aide for them in the earth nor in the sky.”

Ordering for wajib actions and forbidding from haram is at times wajib e Aini and at times Wajib e Kifai. Abm/Nam is Wajib e Aini by means of expressive actions (not manhandling) or words. Through these, ones discomfort towards the action is expressed. In such case if one person performs Abm/Nam then others are not absolved from it. Ameer-ul-Momineen (A.S.) said: “The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) ordered us that we should meet the sinful with sullen faces” – as quoted by Ayatullah Sistani in Masael-ul-Muntakhabah. But if the situation is such that Abm/Nam is possible only through physical compelling like hitting and detaining then it is only Wajib e Kifai - In such case if one person does it then others are absolved from it but if no one does it then everyone turns out to be sinners and all are deserving of punishment.

If the acknowledged virtue is recommended then ordering for it is also recommended. Hence, such an ordering is worthy of reward and if someone does not do this then there is no sin on him or punishment. Similar is the case with preventing from Makrooh. But with Abm/Nam for Mustahab or Makrooh, the person addressed should not be put to any trouble or disrespect. It is necessary to be brief in this up to such an extent that it does not cause the person addressed any kind of difficulty and he does not withdraw away from religion.

If this can’t convince someone, nothing can. I did my job, so on the day of judgment, I don’t carry the burden of not saying what Allah and his prophet ordered me to say as A believer of Allah and a follower of Mohammed.

One last thing, if we are looking for the help of Allah (nusrat) while fighting the enemies of Allah, first we have to make ourselves eligible for his Nusrat. The Nusrat does not come to the drinkers and the womanizers and the gamblers, it comes to the believers. And the least that can be done to show our belief in Allah is to refrain ousr selves from things he has made haram for us.
 
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One last thing, if we are looking for the help of Allah (nusrat) while fighting the enemies of Allah, first we have to make ourselves eligible for his Nusrat. The Nusrat does not come to the drinkers and the womanizers and the gamblers, it comes to the believers. And the least that can be done to show our belief in Allah is to refrain ousr selves from things he has made haram for us.
Hmm I wonder how America or Israeli Pilots kill their enemies.
 
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This is a great reply. Lets convert to Christanity and Judaism. Clearly they are right so they are winning.
No, A Pakistani soldier does not have be a perfect Muslim to kill Indians
 
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By your analogy Taliban should be able to occupy USA and 65 was a stalemate.Pakistan did not exactly loose war.In 71 we lost public support plus the territory was far away from our country and considering the fact that Indian Armed Forces are far bigger then Pakistan Armed Forces PA/PAF/PN did excellent job.Can you name one Modern Muslim Army in which all soldiers are Perfect muslims and won war because of Islam?
 
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Can you name one Modern Muslim Army in which all soldiers are Perfect muslims and won war because of Islam?
We could very well have lost the war if it was continued for just another week. We were only left with few days of oil reserve.

Can you name one Muslim Army in which all the soldiers were 'imperfect' muslims and they won a war because of their liberalism? Fact of the matter is, soon after the demise of the so called Khilafat e Usmania (Ottoman Caliphate), Muslims are loosing every where. These are the fruits of the this modernization or so called liberal fascism. Decide and take one side. You want to be like non-believers, than quit Islam and become like them. Adopt all their qualities not just the bad ones and prosper. But our dilemma is, we want to be liberal and at the same time, also want to be called Mujahids. This hypocrisy wont work. By doing this, we are only deceiving ourselves.
 
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