Alternative History: What if the KMT won China

[vi-va]

Wasn't it the USA which asked Chiang kai shake to hold back on the final assault which would have decimated the CCP cadres?
In fact at one point the americans were thinking of assassinating Chaing kai shake.

Later the same USA would help the commie chinese against the soviets headed by the diplomacy of Mr. Kissinger, which led to the opening of China to the USA, and became the first step towards the development of China from a poor nation to a medium income country now.

Strange that china's current mortal enemy (USA) helped commie china so much in the past.
Also strange that china's current bff (rossiya) is the country that stole most land and people from china; more than every other country put together.

I guess chinese change alliances like they change t-shirts.

you knew what happened on book, but you knew not much the reason behind the water. Those distorted English history material are toxic.

 

[Song Hong]

Vietnamese peasant and communists fought for "money" also. When communist do land reform driving out landlords, next day, Yankee will come with landlord to retake the land, and execute the communist sympathizers.

Ngo Dinh Diem gangs are landlord.

Vietnam peasant fought with communists to protect their newly given land.

Then USA draft the peasants to fight communist. No one wanted to fight.

Sad but true that most of S.VN soldiers just fought for money. They didnt know why must they have to fight against N.VN brothers and die in vain while corrupted S.VN officials kept enjoying the happy lives wt good food, big houses and go to cinema, bars everyday and didnt give a damn care how many S.Vn soldiers die in the battles.

US hate communist mainly bcs the rich,who do Nothing but exploiting poor ppl, dont want farmers and workers stand up and start overthrowing them.

 

[vi-va]

Sad but true that most of S.VN soldiers just fought for money. They didnt know why must they have to fight against N.VN brothers and die in vain while corrupted S.VN officials kept enjoying the happy lives wt good food, big houses and go to cinema, bars everyday and didnt give a damn care how many S.Vn soldiers die in the battles.

US hate communist mainly bcs the rich,who do Nothing but exploiting poor ppl, dont want farmers and workers stand up and start overthrowing them.

And US was defeated, not only defeated militarily, but also bankrupted morally. The Vietnam War name itself is incorrect, just like Korean War is incorrect. The British and Americans good at playing with wording.

The Vietnam War should be something like Vietnam stand against colonization and invasion. It should NOT be name as Vietnam War just because it happened in Vietnam.

 

[Song Hong]

Ho Chi Minh is too kind and too nice a man. Sadly he leave a great problem for sons of Vietnam to solve.

Mao was ruthless in cleansing party and army, even if it resulted to bloodshed.

Uncle Ho was kind and gentle. He dont cleanse like Mao or Stalin Style.

Now Vietnam has 3 poles of independent power -- North Faction, South Faction and Army.

 

[vi-va]

Ho Chi Minh is too kind and too nice a man. Sadly he leave a great problem for sons of Vietnam to solve.

Mao was ruthless in cleansing party and army, even if it resulted to bloodshed.

Uncle Ho was kind and gentle. He dont cleanse like Mao or Stalin Style.

Now Vietnam has 3 poles of independent power -- North Faction, South Faction and Army.

You knew too much, dude. cheers.

 

[Viva_Viet]

And US was defeated, not only defeated militarily, but also bankrupted morally. The Vietnam War name itself is incorrect, just like Korean War is incorrect. The British and Americans good at playing with wording.

The Vietnam War should be something like Vietnam stand against colonization and invasion. It should NOT be name as Vietnam War just because it happened in Vietnam.

Thats why I said that USA is just like Mongol empire, they may be able to invade and rule the world but just in short time of history till we find out how to defeat them.

And after we defeat them, they will never raise again just like Mongol cos actually, they can not compete wt CN-VN in producing-manufacturing and making food.

 

[Song Hong]

An inconvenient truth that Khmer Rouge are still in power in Cambodia. The entire Cambodian leadership have background in Khmer Rouge.

Then MSM got to invent stories like how these people are against Pol Pot....etc.

Essentially, these Hun Sen and gangs are just factions who lost in internal Khmer Rouge power struggle, then white wash as good guys.

 

[Old School]

If there were no CPC with chairman Mao leading the PRC, Americans wouldn't have cared much about Taiwan let alone China under Chiang Kai-Shek. Taiwan would have become another city of Casino and brothel. It was an American interest to make Hong Kong and Taiwan an attractive launch pad to attack on the Socialist ideology which was on a winning streak at that time.

 

[Beast]

I read this a while ago and so don't remember the details of when, but it was this General Marshall (famous for marshall plan) on orders from Potus Truman who persuaded chiang to stop hurting the ccp and pushing it into extinction.

Yes, but the assault is not enough to killed CCP. In fact, Japanese invasion did help CCP to survive. In 1936 is weakest point of CCP. KMT uses strategy devised by wrechmacht of encirclement which proves very successful.

 

[8888888888888]

Actually I expect USA to kill Chiang and install a puppet in his place because they know how he is like if KMT won. Might even allow China to keep Tibet due to India being very friendly to USSR.

 

[Menthol]

One of the greatest tragedies in modern history IMO is the KMT losing the Chinese civil war to the CCP. If the KMT had won, today China would be a democratic, wealthy and civilized nation with a high standard of living, protection for human rights, a well mannered and polite society like that in Japan and Taiwan, the world's largest economy and a long time ally of the United States. China would not be aggressively nationalist but will be secure and established as an industrial superpower and have a cosmopolitan society that would be welcoming to people from all over the world.

Nah!

Whatever KMT or CCP won in China, Chinese people will always have a high standard of living.

Just look at other Chinese countries around the world.

They all attribute the same trait.


And I don't think under the KMT, China will get better respect.

Because whatever KMT or CCP, China is too big for not to be labeled as a threat, rival, or enemy.

The attack of Western countries during the CCP is the same attack during the KMT period.

If you want to learn history.

Many old Chinese are saying during the KMT era, China was very chaotic... where do you think that chaos came from?


The difference between KMT and CCP, CCP is holding power more tightly.

That's why CCP is much better than KMT against foreign attack, and CCP keeps moving on.


While if under KMT, there will be a lot of civil wars and foreign supported local groups to disturb the whole country, like today HK protesters, some even armed.

Under KMT, it's not just HK is on fire, but the whole of China.

And the possibility under the KMT, foreign powers will force China to break up and the weak KMT is not strong enough to keep China united.

Even if KMT able to keep China united and orderly, KMT will be labeled as an evil organization, along with other political parties in China who have the same view with KMT (which is promoting united China). KMT's China itself will be labeled the same as China today under CCP.


The only good China is a suicidal China, just kill yourself and be a clown for others to laugh.

Why do we need to please others just hoping for being labeled a good person while torturing and starving ourselves? Make fun to ourselves like a clown for others?


But anyway, being an ugly evil boss is better than being a good beautiful slave.

It's not just a matter of perspective, but you feel it deep into your blood.

 

[Song Hong]

Only Cpc can challenge white man hegemony. In a twist of fate, entire west embargo communist China.

Cpc learn to be self sufficient in all industrial domain. Today usa attempt to kill off huawei by depriving her of components.

But China is already prepared for that. China are self sufficient in components.

 

[vi-va]

From hk and taiwan now, we see reason Mao wanted to Purge all Chinese landlord even if it resulted to millions of death.

You cannot reason with greedy rich people. They will fund their ngo, terrorist cell, bribe judge in order to protect status quo.

Old Chinese landlord are warlord. They have own militias.

Mao handle them through blunt force, setting stage for renewal of China.

Mao took all the blame. Chinese get thousands years of benefit

Kmt can't take back Tibet and Xinjiang in time.

Kmt also can't defend Tibet frontier such as medog Aksai Chin

Many parts of Tibet will goes to India. Lhasa will be Bhutan 2.0

I should remind you, there is a possibility for a country like China would not end up as a liberal democracy but as a illiberal democracy where it is a authoritarian government sugar coated with democracy where votes doesn't matter. Even if China allowed free and fair elections, US media will never stop its propaganda against China. You believe too much on ideology, but never see the power in play here.

Indeed. KMT is just like south Vietnam regime. Destinated to lose. They are very corrupted. In fact many KMT leadership act like gangster or former gangster.

The American know supporting KMT is like filling an end less hole.

Actually the only hope for KMT is for Sun liren to rebel and killed Chiang and established a new KMT. But I guess Chiang is too ruthless.

Chinese culture is unfit for plebicide democracy.

Now dpp Taiwan is sponsoring LGBT, sex cult, fabricating racial hatred out of homogenous taiwan, resurrecting malay race out of sinicized malay.

All to create conflict and trouble for society

well said, well said.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

My family descended from the KMT.

But I can tell you that the KMT was/is/will always be a disgrace in the Chinese history. And I am glad that CPC managed to get rid of that dysfunctional political party which was ruled by gangsters and crime families.

Only Cpc can challenge white man hegemony. In a twist of fate, entire west embargo communist China.

Cpc learn to be self sufficient in all industrial domain. Today usa attempt to kill off huawei by depriving her of components.

But China is already prepared for that. China are self sufficient in components.

Many of today’s anti-CPC HKers and Taiwanese are the manifestation of the KMT’s hatred against the CPC.

Even those anti-CPC mainlanders were mostly descended from the KMT.

Those losers are in total desperation and can only put the hope on their American sugar daddy.

And their hatred against the CPC has soon turned out to be the hatred against the whole China. Because they know deeply in their heart that most Chinese people will undoubtedly side with the CPC over a bunch of lapdogs. That’s why they also ramp up their frustration on the Chinese people and the Chinese culture.

 

[tower9]

Not a chance. Haven't you see what happened in Taiwan? KMT is still corrupted, incompetent, fractioned in Taiwan. Just like what they were in mainland China.


well said.

The KMT started out as corrupt but they built Taiwan into a democracy with the rule of law. South Korea's government started out as corrupt puppets of the US, but they built South Korea into one of the most successful countries in the world. I have no doubt that if South Vietnam survived, its government would've been able to do the same. The bottom line is that any East Asian society would succeed in a capitalist system, Communism is poison. The framework of a government is important for its future evolution. Even though the KMT was corrupt in the past, it would've eventually reform and evolve as the Chinese economy grew. It would've eventually lived up to the ideals that it was founded upon. But the PRC is founded upon Communism, which is an inhuman system, so they will never develop concepts of individual rights or individual liberty. Not to mention they spent 30 years plunging the country into deep poverty because Communism is a disastrous idea to begin with.