Alternate History : What if Jinnah continued in Indian National Congress?

[Mentee]

Lagta hae, kay inn kay barhay bhi, bajaaye larhnay kay, gharon main bartan maanjhtay rahay; aur maanjhtay manjhtay, Iran say Hind pohanch gaye.

Doraa dey hind m pochay hm nay

 

[Kaniska]

What are your views on RSS?

Are you referring to RSS with respect to independence movement time or in current scenario?

I am not aware about any historical evidence to highlight contributions of RSS in independence struggle of India...I do not think much credit should be given to them...But i believe post independence India, RSS type organization is required for such a diverse country such as India to check mate Congress who literally put hail bent on putting interest of Hindus at stake at the name of secularism..

 

[fitpOsitive]

Are you referring to RSS with respect to independence movement time or in current scenario?

I am not aware about any historical evidence to highlight contributions of RSS in independence struggle of India...I do not think much credit should be given to them...But i believe post independence India, RSS type organization is required for such a diverse country such as India to check mate Congress who literally put hail bent on putting interest of Hindus at stake at the name of secularism..

So you think RSS has no role in division of India? May their actions do. But leave it anyway.
Secondly, Hindu interests in secular India! So, by this definition, do muslims of India reserve the right to make such organization? If yes then its ok. If not then why not?

 

[Kaniska]

So you think RSS has no role in division of India? May their actions do. But leave it anyway.
Secondly, Hindu interests in secular India! So, by this definition, do muslims of India reserve the right to make such an organization? If yes then its ok. If not then why not?

I do not think....RSS role in pre-independence in over-hyped...It is the power struggle between Nehru and Jinha led to partion..Other factors are just used to justify some specific objectives of each leaders and historians...

Well...it sounds bad...I have to accept it...But this is the reality...We are secular because Hindus are the majority..It is a brutal truth that is very difficult for you to accept it....

 

[Hiptullha]

Well...it sounds bad...I have to accept it...But this is the reality...We are secular because Hindus are the majority..It is a brutal truth that is very difficult for you to accept it....

How is India secular when one of the first things they did after independence was enshrine cow protection in their constitution?

 

[fitpOsitive]

I do not think....RSS role in pre-independence in over-hyped...It is the power struggle between Nehru and Jinha led to partion..Other factors are just used to justify some specific objectives of each leaders and historians...

Well...it sounds bad...I have to accept it...But this is the reality...We are secular because Hindus are the majority..It is a brutal truth that is very difficult for you to accept it....

What binds Hindus together?

 

[JafarQureshi]

What binds Hindus together?

Pakistan

 

[Kaniska]

How is India secular when one of the first things they did after independence was enshrine cow protection in their constitution?

There are simillar kind of rule that was enacted to protect custom traditions of other minorities too....For example, all the Hindu religious places and their boards and controlled by Govt of India which is always protested by Hindus....But this is not the same case for Muslims...Again, it is just an example, i am sharing it with you...

In ideal world, at the time of partition, Gandhiji should have listened to Jinha and created a country for Hindus where minorities are protected devoid of any real political power like the way Pakistan was created...But it has not happened, so in order to fix the mess that was created only by our leaders, our generation has to pay the price for it..

For people like me, although i am having a strong bias for RSS, i am not here to advocate any stance to do any kind of prejudice to Muslims who are Indian...But that does not mean, our cultural ethos and history of Indian will be influenced anything other than the religion of the land which is Sanatana Dharma....For example Turkey is a secular nation but its policy and national culture is defined with Islam...I would like to see us in simillar way

 

[fitpOsitive]

@Kaniska The answer is nothing. The day, Hindus started strongly worshiping Iyshwar, and rejected all other gods, will be the day, they might not be needing anything like RSS or current things in business in India.

 

[SIPRA]

How is India secular when one of the first things they did after independence was enshrine cow protection in their constitution?

India's secularism is utterly fake and sham. It was, is and would remain a Hindu rashtra, till some catastrophic change occurs.

 

[Hiptullha]

There are simillar kind of rule that was enacted to protect custom traditions of other minorities too....For example, all the Hindu religious places and their boards and controlled by Govt of India which is always protested by Hindus....But this is not the same case for Muslims...Again, it is just an example, i am sharing it with you...

So according to you, incoherent and inconsistent laws are proof of Indian Hindu secularism.

Gandhiji should have listened to Jinha and created a country for Hindus where minorities are protected devoid of any real political power

That's what India is right now LMAO. Muslims make up around 15% of the population but make up less than 5% of the legislature. And don't start crying to me about Congress votebank politics when Congress has bent over time and time again on issues to get the Hindu vote.

For people like me, although i am having a strong bias for RSS, i am not here to advocate any stance to do any kind of prejudice to Muslims who are Indian...But that does not mean, our cultural ethos and history of Indian will be influenced anything other than the religion of the land which is Sanatana Dharma....For example Turkey is a secular nation but its policy and national culture is defined with Islam...I would like to see us in simillar way

Haha imagine comparing Turkey which banned headscarves and imposed a completely different alphabet with India. I'd very eager to see your Modi-Ji make a turn to Turkey's state secularism and start banning naked "holy men" from roaming the streets, but we both know that will never happen.

 

[Kaniska]

What binds Hindus together?

This question applies to people of all religions...Unity based on specific religion, culture or color is enhanced when they are facing a sense of insecurity from a larger/bigger rival around their neighborhood...So let us give some credit to Pakistan where they have forced Hindus to think about the need for unity after such a long time...

But overall, I believe, there exists any real Hindu unity per se in our current political environment in India...BJP is using Hinduism as a means to remain in power...But their continuance in power is dependent on the economy of our country....Hungry people do not really care about what religion they belong to on a given day...

So according to you, incoherent and inconsistent laws are proof of Indian Hindu secularism.


That's what India is right now LMAO. Muslims make up around 15% of the population but make up less than 5% of the legislature. And don't start crying to me about Congress votebank politics when Congress has bent over time and time again on issues to get the Hindu vote.



Haha imagine comparing Turkey which banned headscarves and imposed a completely different alphabet with India. I'd very eager to see your Modi-Ji make a turn to Turkey's state secularism and start banning naked "holy men" from roaming the streets, but we both know that will never happen.

So according to you, incoherent and inconsistent laws are proof of Indian Hindu secularism.

- I hope Gandhiji would have really thought about empowering real Hindu secularism rather than following Western concept of secularism which is difficult to implement in a country like India...Yes, for me, this is the best can be done to accommodate people of different faith in any given time.

That's what India is right now LMAO. Muslims make up around 15% of the population but make up less than 5% of the legislature. And don't start crying to me about Congress votebank politics when Congress has bent over time and time again on issues to get the Hindu vote.

Well, if the population is an indicator of progress and development, then we could have been the most developed nations around the world because we breed like rabbits and should be wealthy and advanced nations around the world..Why are we so poor?
So keep that population logic to your own internal discussion....People need to study hard and focus on getting their future bright rather than blaming Govt...

In India, Southern India is rich and developed than Eastern or even states which are from Gangetic delta too...That is nothing to do with Hindu/Muslim issue..It is more like the aspiration of people and community which would like to focus on developing themselves rather than being poor...

 

[Adonis]

Weren't the Subcontinentians fighting amongst themselves before the British arrived? Sikhs, Muslims, Kashmiris, Punjabis, Pathans, Marhattas, Mughals and Afghans were not chums with each other playing pithu garam and eating cotton candy before the "evil British came and divided us."

The people kept on fighting even during the British rule as well...

This world is not and cannot be the utopia you want it to be.1. The people of Pakistan and India cannot live in one country in peace and harmony as history of these countries is a testament to that fact; and you want to absorb these three different countries into one - this experiment of yours, if ever carried out, will result in utter ruin for all.

2. Only if Delhi realized for once and for all that it is better for two irreconcilable ideologies and faiths to live in separate countries than in one, the region will become a better place to live. 3. The world, by and large, for this very reason recognizes the principle of self-determination; unlike some imperialists of Hindustan masquerading as secular egalitarians who want the majority to rule through deception.

Mate...You have to go through the thread for who is posting to whom and on what before coming up with your advise....else it would be out of context.
Now since you responded, you have contradicted yourself....Why people of India Pakistan cannot live together...because of a notion floated by Muslims that they cannot live together? If so, are Muslims living peacefully with Muslims in Pakistan?...If the answer is NO then quoting different religion for non-harmony is baseless. On your post, why you looking at period since arrival of Britishers.....You are right that everyone were fighting with each other.....But Why? Not because of religion, caste but for power,lust,greed. So that fact is each human being is loathed with these sins and ultimately is selfish....Religion cast etc are just tools to manipulate people and get to your objective. So Hindu is Bad and Muslim is Angel is absurd.

2. In this you seems to suggest that for the peace, separation of people on basis of ideologies, is the solution. Is Christian ideology is similar to Muslims...Why Muslim migrants rush in hordes to Western world?....Why not Saudi or other prosperous Muslim countries?..and if they can live there , so can they anywhere (if they want to).

3. Right of Self Determination is Not recognised the world but the "ones" who drive the world...only when it suits them. Has Tibet got self determination right, has Palestine got, Baluchistan, Kashmiris, Honk Kong, Kurds??? Nope....they will get it when the "powerfuls" will grant it to them.

 

[Hiptullha]

following Western concept of secularism which is difficult to implement in a country like India..

Oh, so you agree that India hasn't been able to implement a secular government.

Well, if the population is an indicator of progress and development, then we could have been the most developed nations around the world because we breed like rabbits and should be wealthy and advanced nations around the world..Why are we so poor?

We're not talking about poverty or development, we're talking about political power and that does correlate with representation in legislature.

too...That is nothing to do with Hindu/Muslim issue.

You turned it into a Hindu/Muslim issue when you started talking about your fantasy of an India where "minorities" (AKA Muslims) had no political power.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This world is not and cannot be the utopia you want it to be. The people of Pakistan and India cannot live in one country in peace and harmony as history of these countries is a testament to that fact; and you want to absorb these three different countries into one

Agree. Even the UK couldn't stay in the EU, and they've got significantly fewer issues with each other.

The Scots want independence from the UK and they're closer culturally to the British than most Indians & Pakistanis.