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By Peter Hermann, Susan Svrluga and Michael E. Miller


For 45 minutes, police said, Edgar Maddison Welch, cradling an AR-15 assault-style rifle, roamed the Comet Ping Pong pizza restaurant looking to prove an Internet conspiracy theory that the popular D.C. restaurant harbored juvenile sex slaves.

The few patrons had fled before Welch shot off the lock to an inside door, sending a bullet into a computer tower. The North Carolina man then turned the gun on an employee who emerged from the back holding pizza dough. The worker ran out, unharmed.

With D.C. police amassing outside on Sunday afternoon, Welch finally walked out with his hands up — but not before he finished his search.

He had come to rescue the children, court papers say he later told police, and now was convinced that none was being harmed there.

D.C. Magistrate Judge Joseph E. Beshouri on Monday ordered Welch — known to his friends by his middle name, Maddison — jailed until his next hearing on Thursday. He faces several gun-related charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Sonali Patel said Welch was a danger to the community and a flight risk based on the notoriety of his alleged crimes. His lawyer with the Public Defender Service argued that her client should be released because he had no prior violent offenses.

Welch, bearded and dressed in a white plastic jail jumpsuit for the D.C. Superior Court hearing, said only his name when asked to identify himself.

Family and friends said they are struggling to understand how Welch apparently became so fixated on a fake news story that he drove from North Carolina with a Colt long rifle, a .38-caliber revolver and a shotgun, determined to take action. The viral Internet tale, which emerged shortly before the presidential election, falsely linked Hillary Clinton, her campaign chairman and the owner of Comet to the alleged sex-slave conspiracy.

Welch, described by some friends as a devoted father to two young girls, toyed around with filmmaking and writing, and he had attended a community college. He is an avid hiker. He and his wife are separated, and he has custody of the children.

One of Welch’s closest friends of the past eight years said she does not think he intended to shoot anyone.

“He most likely really believes the conspiracy theory,” said Kathy Sue Holtorf, who produced one of his films and appeared with him in another. “He’s a good guy with the best of intentions. He probably saw himself as more on a hero mission to save children than anything else.”

The call about a man carrying an assault rifle into a pizza joint popular among teens and their parents frightened many D.C. residents and created a standoff that closed streets. In and beyond the nation’s capital, it also raised fears about hoax stories proliferating the Internet and whether they are stoking new dangers from society’s fringe.

Even the White House weighed in on Welch’s alleged crimes.

“Even without knowing precisely what the motives were, there’s no denying the corrosive effect that some of these false reports have had on our political debate,” said Josh Earnest, a spokesman for President Obama. “That’s concerning in a political context. It’s deeply troubling that some of those false reports could lead to violence.”

Loyal patrons to Comet Ping Pong are organizing an event Friday to urge people to stand with the owner and employees, even as it appears that Sunday’s incident will not quell the stories.

A new Internet conspiracy theory emerged Monday. Citing Welch’s minor background as an actor, some claimed the gun incident was either staged or even a hoax altogether. And on Sunday night, Michael Flynn Jr., the son and top aide of retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser, tweeted that the Comet Ping Pong conspiracy theory might still be true.

“Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it’ll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many ‘coincidences’ tied to it,” Flynn Jr. tweeted. He later posted images of direct messages from CNN host Jake Tapper imploring him to stop spreading the rumors.

As the story spread, Comet and other establishments along Connecticut Avenue have been subject to threats and vile social media banter, business owners said.

Dustin Sternbeck, the D.C. police spokesman, said the department became aware last month of the fictional allegations about Comet. “However, despite postings of offensive language, we did not receive reports of any specific threats. Officers advised the staff to immediately report to police any threats made against the establishment or individuals.”

The spokesman said police have contacted Comet’s owner and others “to address their concerns. We want to ensure the community that their safety is our priority as we have committed additional police resources to that area.”

A portrait of Welch based on interviews with his friends suggests he is an adoring father to his children but also someone unable to claim interest in a career, including following his father, who is a filmmaker, or his mother, who volunteered as a firefighter.

He was a prolific hiker, profiled in 2009 by his local newspaper, the Salisbury Post, for hiking the 500-mile Colorado Trail. He attended Cape Fear Community College in 2008 and 2009, pursuing an associate of arts degree.

“Maddison is a sweet young man with a big heart,” said Tajuana Tadlock, his aunt. “We are all in shock right now. We are still trying to get our minds around what happened. This is totally out of character for him.

“We are all worried about him. He comes from a family that cares.

“We all just want to put our arms around him and ask him, ‘Why baby? What made you this upset? This isn’t you.’ ”

Tadlock described her nephew as “passionate, tenderhearted. Loves his family. Loves his children, he is always concerned about his parents and children. We have not been able to talk to him yet, so we do not know what got him to this level.

“He is a loving person, a loving dad. He has friends, church, family and friends. He is anybody’s son.”

Other relatives, including his parents, Harry and Terri Tadlock Welch, did not respond to interview requests or could not be reached for comment. No one answered the door at the address listed for Welch in court records. The home is in a pocket of sparsely arranged ranch-style houses five miles outside of downtown Salisbury, a county seat along Interstate 85, about 50 miles north of Charlotte.

Aaron Christie, a friend from West Rowan High School in North Carolina, said he hadn’t talked to Welch recently but that he had strong political convictions and had faith in the Constitution. “It didn’t matter whether it was Democratic or Republican,” he said. “If you had the ability to do something good for the people, you knew it was your responsibility to do something good for the people.”

But Welch was laid-back and happy, he said; he had never seen an angry moment with his family.

“I’ve never seen him hostile toward anybody. He was always levelheaded and calm, took a minute to think things over before he said or done things,” Welch said. “But I haven’t seen him in three years. A lot can change over time.”

At community college, Welch wrote his first screenplay, “Mute,” about a unique boy who meets a unique girl — a nine-minute short that was posted to YouTube and was produced by Holtorf when she was part of the area’s independent film scene. He and Holtorf appeared as victims of vampires in a slasher movie, and he worked as a production assistant on a movie about a small-town sheriff pitted against a bootlegger.

Holtorf said Welch dabbled but “never wanted to become an actor.” His mother worked for the Locke Volunteer Fire Department on the outskirts of Salisbury, and for a time her son tried that job, too.

“He hardly came around, hardly ran any calls,” said Locke Volunteer Fire Chief Dusty Alexander. “It just wasn’t for him and he got out of it.”

Interviews with other friends and court records shows he also had trouble with drugs and alcohol, and in the past several months went on a rant about religion that offended his girlfriend's best friend.

Danielle Tillman, 23, a friend of Welch’s girlfriend, recounted meeting Welch for the first time several months ago. Tillman said a group had gathered for a party. She said she had taken acid and others were using drugs as well. The account was backed by Tillman’s boyfriend at the time, Jacob Stephens.

Tillman said Welch and his girlfriend began talking about religion.

“They were preaching about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,” Tillman said. “It was super weird.”

Welch’s Facebook page contains pictures of his children, of himself brandishing an assault-style weapon and of lists of psalms and proverbs from the Bible. “Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up,” one reads.

Welch has one conviction, for driving while impaired in 2013 in Salisbury. He has been arrested several times in North Carolina, once on a drug charge, in 2007, and he was in a police report when his name appeared on a forged prescription, according to records from Salisbury police. He was twice a victim of assault by someone with a gun, though details were not immediately available.

In October, police said, he was the driver of a car that struck and critically injured a 13-year-old boy. His most recent job is noted in 2013, in the impaired-driving case, where his grandmother wrote the court that he worked for his father’s film company, Forever Young Productions, making daily deliveries and pickups of film prints.

“He’s not a nut,” said Holtorf, 29, who lives in California and works as a film producer. “He talked about his two little girls, how proud he was of them, how he liked going to the park with them. He’s not a conspiracy-theory nut. He’s a well-educated man. Our conversations were normal, about kids and about his family and our friends in North Carolina.”


Jennifer Jenkins, John Woodrow Cox, Keith L. Alexander, David Nakamura, Aaron Blake, and Clarence Williams in Washington and Rachel Weiner and Greg Lacour in Salisbury, N.C., contributed to this report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...94a21c44abc_story.html?utm_term=.8174694c07a4
 
Two take-aways: one, that the phony story epidemic is seriously misleading some well-intentioned U.S. citizens and two, the professionalism and coolness of the police who captured a scary armed suspect without injury.
 
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^ fake document ?

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other creepy stuff including a pic of a kid bound to a table and weird artwork from a band that performed there whose frontman made a pedo joke (on tape) etc on this site: https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/12/pizzagate/

google tried to redirect me from it.

Alex Jones reports on fake msm coverage:

and on the shooting



Alex talks with a desi? origin muslim American witness

Don't care particularly about the story and haven't watched all the vids but http://www.infowars.com/ needs to be heard. No more clinton news network lies, the Trump world order is here !
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‘False flag’ planted at a pizza place? It’s just one more conspiracy to digest.


Paul Farhi December 5 at 5:36 PM

It didn’t take long after the arrest of a gun-wielding man at a District pizza restaurant on Sunday for the usual conspiracy theory that swirls around such an incident to percolate on social media and in the nether corners of the Internet.

The gunman, claimed the baying hounds of paranoia, was part of a “false-flag” operation — that is, he was an actor in an elaborate plot designed to discredit those who have for weeks spread a bizarre story about the restaurant being the locus of a child-molestation ring run by Hillary Clinton.

There’s no evidence that the suspect, identified as Edgar Maddison Welch, was acting on anyone’s behalf other than his own when he allegedly fired an assault-style rifle in the restaurant, Comet Ping Pong. There’s also nothing to indicate that any government or political party had conspired with him so that he’d take the fall for his alleged actions.

But saying so won’t stop the burgeoning industry of “false flag” wavers from saying otherwise.

False-flag conspiracies — the name comes from a military deception in which an enemy is tricked into thinking an opposing force is friendly — have a long and complex history. Historians have long debated, for example, whether the fire that destroyed the German parliament building,the Reichstag, in 1933 was set by the Dutch communist executed for the crime or was really a false-flag operation by Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party to further entrench its power.


Edgar Maddison Welch, 28, walked into D.C. pizza restaurant Comet Ping Pong armed with an assault rifle on Dec. 4, apparently to "investigate" a fake internet conspiracy. Here's what we know about him so far. (Deirdra O'Regan/The Washington Post)

False-flag claims have become barnacles on many of the most traumatic events of the past 60 years: John F. Kennedy’s assassination; the Oklahoma City bombing; the Boston Marathon bombing; the mass shootings at Virginia Tech, San Bernadino and Sandy Hook; and especially the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

In each case, the conspiratorial notion is that the “official” story conveyed by the government and the news media is a deception, all to justify some perfidious official action. The Sandy Hook shootings were supposedly staged to justify more gun control; 9/11 “truthers” believe the government, not terrorists acting on orders from Osama bin Laden, destroyed the World Trade Center as a pretext for war or to expand the government’s powers.

It’s not known how many people believe such claims, but they are widespread on the Internet. A quick search of YouTube on Monday turned up 785,000 videos labeled “false flag.”

False-flag allegations are a subset of the fake-news phenomena, but with a key difference. Whereas fake news comes out of nowhere, usually concocted wholesale, false flags are typically an attempt to explain or pin the blame after an actual event has occurred.

This is what makes the false-flag claims surrounding “Pizzagate” — as the supposed evils surrounding Comet Ping Pong are known — even more bizarre and confusing than usual. The allegations of child abuse, spread by dubious websites, are themselves unsubstantiated; now, on top of those accusations come an additional conspiracy claim that a false-flag operation was at work to discredit and censor the alternative sites that originally pushed the story.

Among those perpetuating the Pizzagate meme are Alex Jones, the proprietor of Infowars, a one-stop shop for conspiracies and false-flag claims. As a candidate, Donald Trump appeared on Jones’s syndicated radio program and praised Jones for his “amazing” reputation.

The story has also been pushed by Michael Flynn Jr., the son and sometime adviser of retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser. “Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it’ll remain a story,” he tweeted on Sunday.

Real consequences of fake news leveled on a D.C. pizzeria and other nearby restaurants
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Comet Ping Pong customers came out to support the restaurant after a gunman entered it with an assault rifle, firing it at least once. Several other businesses on the block have received other threats as well. (Video: Whitney Shefte/Photo: Matt McClain/The Washington Post)
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Flynn linked to the Twitter account of Jack Posobiec, who describes himself as the special projects director of a group called Citizens4Trump. Among his many comments on the subject, Posobiec tweeted, “False flag. Planted Comet Pizza Gunman will be used to push for censorship of independent news sources that are not corporate owned.”

Like all conspiracy theories, evidence and facts to the contrary are usually worse than meaningless to the people pushing them, says Joseph Uscinski, author of “American Conspiracy Theories.”

“Conspiracy theories are unique theories because the evidence against them works in their favor,” he said in an interview. “If you believe there’s a group plotting in secret against you, how can you be proven wrong?


“People are going to believe what they want,” he said. “You can’t win with people who think the Democrats are running a baby cannibalism ring out of a pizza restaurant. You’re not going to convince them with the facts. They’re not reading The Washington Post.”

While Pizzagate may defame Hillary Clinton, Uscinski, a political-science professor at the University of Miami, says conspiracy theories are widely held and propagated. Liberal 9/11 “truthers,” for example, will view the destruction of the buildings as a Republican-led plot to provoke a war, whereas libertarian-leaning conservatives will view it as a secret government ploy to enact laws curtailing civil liberties and expanding government power. “It’s not like one party has a monopoly on viewing the world conspiratorially,” he said.


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FBI-pedophile-symbols-page1.jpg

^ fake document ?

Besta.png


other creepy stuff including a pic of a kid bound to a table and weird artwork from a band that performed there whose frontman made a pedo joke (on tape) etc on this site: https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/12/pizzagate/

google tried to redirect me from it.

Alex Jones reports on fake msm coverage:

and on the shooting



Alex talks with a desi? origin muslim American witness

Don't care particularly about the story and haven't watched all the vids but http://www.infowars.com/ needs to be heard. No more clinton news network lies, the Trump world order is here !
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You're not honestly defending this, are you? :rolleyes:

The "news" report was completely fake. Some similarity with a logo of the business with that FBI report is certainly not hard evidence. And some band performed at the restaurant, so there's some connection because of what one of their album covers looks like? Come on.

Yet, there was nothing wrong there. Even the gunman realized this, and surrendered.

This is what I meant when I said that the "alt-right" are the enemy. They're crazy people, and now they're causing serious problems in society.

Even Trump seems to agree on this:

Donald Trump Fires Transition Team Member Michael G. Flynn For Spreading Fake News About 'Pizzagate'
 
You're not honestly defending this, are you? :rolleyes:
lol, NO !

The "news" report was completely fake. Some similarity with a logo of the business with that FBI report is certainly not hard evidence. And some band performed at the restaurant, so there's some connection because of what one of their album covers looks like? Come on.

Yet, there was nothing wrong there. Even the gunman realized this, and surrendered.

This is what I meant when I said that the "alt-right" are the enemy. They're crazy people, and now they're causing serious problems in society.
Like I said, wasn't very interested in the story, I just skimmed through and posted those bits for lulz

it was junior, lol.

Saw the headline and for a second I thought it's the General. :woot:
 
lol, NO !


Well, I wasn't sure after you posted that article.

Like I said, wasn't very interested in the story, I just skimmed through and posted those bits for lulz


Fair enough. But people in D.C. didn't find this story so funny. ;)

it was junior, lol.

Saw the headline and for a second I thought it's the General. :woot:


Yes, his son was fired from Trump's transition team, not him.

Although, the good general has a history of tweeting and re-tweeting some kooky things too.
 
Only because he was white, any darker skin he would have been shot multiple times without any questions asked or "coolness" shown

Two take-aways: one, that the phony story epidemic is seriously misleading some well-intentioned U.S. citizens and two, the professionalism and coolness of the police who captured a scary armed suspect without injury.
 
Well, I wasn't sure after you posted that article.
Just wanted to have a quick look at what all the fuss was about. You have to admit though, pedo jokes are creepy, as are pics of little kids bound to tables with duct tape wtf, but which is not to say that the pizza place was a front for some big underground ring or anything.

Although, the good general has a history of tweeting and re-tweeting some kooky things too.
He does, but you have to understand the psyche of someone who's been as deeply involved in the shady frontlines of the war on terror, perfect for NSA, wouldn't make a good diplomat.
 
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