Allahabad Univ VC can sleep better, Mosque reduces Azaan volume

[Iltutmish]

If it is loud enough to negative affect you, I hope you have an avenue to complain and get the issue resolved.

Sometimes it is very loud (it’s a Catholic Church so they have special occasions to ring the bell) and churches also have the purpose to tell you what time it is (so they are bells for every full hour). I don’t complain, because it’s their culture and country. The funny thing is that a few years back NATIVE German neighbors filed complaint against the church and wanted me to sign that too. I declined because the church is 100 years old and if you decide to live next to it you know what you get afterwards. The city council decided that the church bell is not too loud...

In India, only loudspeaker is getting banned, not the azaan. Mosques are free to do azaan.

You literally want to silence Islam in your country. Loudspeakers serve a purpose and we all know where this will end: in a total ban of the azaan.

 

[magra]

Sometimes it is very loud (it’s a Catholic Church so they have special occasions to ring the bell) and churches also have the purpose to tell you what time it is (so they are bells for every full hour). I don’t complain, because it’s their culture and country. The funny thing is that a few years back NATIVE German neighbors filed complaint against the church and wanted me to sign that too. I declined because the church is 100 years old and if you decide to live next to it you know what you get afterwards. The city council decided that the church bell is not too loud...

You did not want to complain, thats your choice.

You literally want to silence Islam in your country. Loudspeakers serve a purpose and we all know where it will end: in a total ban of the azaan.

So banning loudspeaker will silence Islam? Loudspeakers only came in existence in the last 100 years. How were mosques doing azaan before that? Was Islam not thriving then?
Some members claim that Islam is rapidly growing in Europe (where loudspeaker is banned). So your logic is flawed.

 

[Iltutmish]

So banning loudspeaker will silence Islam?

Yes. That’s a good metaphor to describe the situation.

Loudspeakers only came in existence in the last 100 years. How were mosques doing azaan before that? Was Islam not thriving then?

The Azaan is a call/reminder to prayer. In overcrowded places like India you cannot built a mosque every 100 meters (and in the current climate nobody will allow that to happen either). So have one big mosque with loudspeakers.

Islam will thrive in India as well. With or without loudspeakers. All I want to say is that a majority interferes in the matters of another religion and this will not help to create a peaceful society. The next stop is the total ban of the Azaan. We all know that.

 

[xeuss]

Only a bigot would think that objecting to being forced to hear the azan half a kilometre away is bigotry.

I love how Sanghis find to be greatly inconvenienced with any practice of Muslims - whether it is their dietary choice or dress or use of loudspeakers. They invoke every law, rule and what not, when it comes to Muslims and their practices. You are no exception.

 

[magra]

The Azaan is a call/reminder to prayer. In overcrowded places like India you cannot built a mosque every 100 meters (and in the current climate nobody will allow that to happen either). So have one big mosque with loudspeakers.

Islam will thrive in India as well. With or without loudspeakers. All I want to say is that a majority interferes in the matters of another religion and this will not help to create a peaceful society. The next stop is the total ban of the Azaan. We all know that.

A devoted Muslim who wants to pray at set times would set alarm for prayer and would not need to be 'reminded'. If a Muslim is not devoted, then reminders would also fall on deaf ears.
Mazhab jor jabardasti se nahin hota.

Everyone have right to follow their religion. No one has right to disturb peace in the neighborhood, whether it is through regular loudspeaker use or high decible firecrackers.

 

[xeuss]

You did not want to complain, thats your choice.


So banning loudspeaker will silence Islam? Loudspeakers only came in existence in the last 100 years. How were mosques doing azaan before that? Was Islam not thriving then?
Some members claim that Islam is rapidly growing in Europe (where loudspeaker is banned). So your logic is flawed.

While much of your line of arguments are reasonable, you miss the larger point here.

India has delved into a society where Muslims are targeted, under any available guise, just for existing.

Let's face it, the VC complained to the Police because she *knew* that because of the hostile anti-Muslim environment, her complaint would be immediately acted upon. Along with that, she would have any army of cheerleaders supporter her and justifying the scourge of sound. All the while, ignoring the same cacophony from the multitude of Hindu temples.

The issue of pollution, whether sound or air or water, affects all of society. But the fixation for Muslims and their practices is nothing but hypocritical.

 

[magra]

While much of your line of arguments are reasonable, you miss the larger point here.

India has delved into a society where Muslims are targeted, under any available guise, just for existing.

Let's face it, the VC complained to the Police because she *knew* that because of the hostile anti-Muslim environment, her complaint would be immediately acted upon. Along with that, she would have any army of cheerleaders supporter her and justifying the scourge of sound. All the while, ignoring the same cacophony from the multitude of Hindu temples.

The issue of pollution, whether sound or air or water, affects all of society. But the fixation for Muslims and their practices is nothing but hypocritical.

I am for all equal treatment. If noise from a temple is frequent and high enough to disturb people far and wide, then that should be regulated as well.
I am not sure if loudspeaker use has increased recently. In the areas I lived, I did not face any issues from either temple or mosque.

Even if the action is against mosque, it is not harming Muslims in any way. As explained, the devoted Muslims would anyways set personal alarms if they want to pray at set times. The ones who are not devoted enough dont want to be disturbed anyways.

 

[xeuss]

I am for all equal treatment. If noise from a temple is frequent and high enough to disturb people far and wide, then that should be regulated as well.
I am not sure if loudspeaker use has increased recently. In the areas I lived, I did not face any issues from either temple or mosque.

Even if the action is against mosque, it is not harming Muslims in any way. As explained, the devoted Muslims would anyways set personal alarms if they want to pray at set times. The ones who are not devoted enough dont want to be disturbed anyways.

I don't think we disagree with the principles of equality. The gripe is with the unequal application of rules and laws. Let's not steer the discussion to whether the Muslims need a loudspeaker or not. If the guise for shutting down loudspeakers from mosques is noise pollution, then this law should be equally applied to all temples and mandals and melas.

 

[Robbie]

I love how Sanghis find to be greatly inconvenienced with any practice of Muslims - whether it is their dietary choice or dress or use of loudspeakers. They invoke every law, rule and what not, when it comes to Muslims and their practices. You are no exception.

This is pointless. I find Islamists comes up with inane whatabouteries and cry bully behaviour when faced with logical limits of religion in a multifaith society. You are no exception.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

Indian Muslims being targeted just as Jinnah predicted and warned

More important than ever to fight back

Even If a Mandir’s loudspeaker creates too much noise the same happens, but I know this is your national narrative “Muslims targetted”, ”Muslims in India have 0 rights”, “Muslims in India unsafe” and blah blah.

India treats equally to all irrespective of who you are, and if you don’t want to accept this reality and keep spamming those lame dreamy comments like “Muslims in India targetted”, ”Muslims in India have 0 rights”, “Muslims in India unsafe” and blah blah then it is your problem now ours. There is a reason why Hindus and Sikhs come to India from Pakistan for refuge due to persecution and no Indian Muslim goes to Pakistan for refuge or citizenship.

You can give yourself feel good crap in brains reading George Soros funded reports but India is and will remain secular.


You can read one sided news and post threads like “Muslim boy beaten for drinking water in Temple” without knowing the other side of the story that the temple has been long attacked by Muslims and their women were harrassed by Muslim boys and many times they stole money and ornaments from temples too and many police actions have happened against them, there was a handpump and a water dispenser outside yet he went inside deep inside for whatever malicious intent he had and was beaten, but then you will call this propaganda and whatever you say as truth and reality. Grow up and focus on yourselves, Muslims of India don’t give a damn to Pakistan and Pakistan’s opinions.

 

[magra]

I don't think we disagree with the principles of equality. The gripe is with the unequal application of rules and laws. Let's not steer the discussion to whether the Muslims need a loudspeaker or not. If the guise for shutting down loudspeakers from mosques is noise pollution, then this law should be equally applied to all temples and mandals and melas.

The VC was getting troubled by the loudspeaker, she complianed and got a resolution.
If you are getting troubled by the noise coming from a temple, mandal, mela - you are free to complain and seek resolution. What is stopping you?

 

[HostileInsurgent]

equally applied to all temples and mandals and melas.

You’ve got firecrackers on Diwali banned, what else do you want? If the temple outside my home uses loudspeaker after 10 PM they are also fined, not just temples but it is a rule in Delhi in particular which prohibits use of loudspeaker in any form after 10 PM till 6 PM and you better know it that that’s why no family parties or marriages have loudspeakers running after 10 PM so what is so special?


ISKCON temple has been fined many times in front of my eyes because they were using loudspeakers after 10PM on Janmashtami in New Delhi, but you won’t mention it, if it is something related to minorities you will be the first to pop up.

 

[magra]

ISKCON temple has been fined many times in front of my eyes because they were using loudspeakers after 10PM on Janmashtami in New Delhi, but you won’t mention it, if it is something related to minorities you will be the first to pop up.

In my childhood, Garba - Dandiya with full loudspeaker used to happen till 1 AM or later during Navratri close to residential areas. Now it either finishes earlier or happens in designated areas away from residential colonies.

 

[letsrock]

As much as I oppose sanghis - this is one area i tend to agree. Ofcourse this must apply to hindu temples too. In this age of alarm clocks, smart phones etc - loud speakers is really an aggressive way of advertizing religion on people who may not be interested. This make muslims unpopular for silly reasons and make them fight these silly battles when there are more serious issues to be tackled.

 

[HostileInsurgent]

In my childhood, Garba - Dandiya with full loudspeaker used to happen till 1 AM or later during Navratri close to residential areas. Now it either finishes earlier or happens in designated areas away from residential colonies.

No No, India is a Hindutva republic it can’t happen, only Hindus can use loudspeaker whole night coz it is Hindu Rashtra, others are persecuted no rights to them.