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It's amazing how a whole bunch of anti-Muslim bigots are jumping all over this news without understanding what's going. The motivation for many of them -- who are well known Islamophobes on this forum -- is obvious.
The reality is that some small segments of Malaysian Christians were using Allah for some time and no one had an issue with that. However, over time, the Western missionary organizations full of cash from rich Western countries, have started massive programs of proselytizing using every dirty trick in the book.
These missionaries even go as far as to call themselves 'muslim' and use 'pray to Allah' as a tactic to fool people.
Very good, sir.Lets see what you wrote earlier today:
"It's amazing how a whole bunch of anti-Muslim bigots ..."
I assume that you by "desperate clueless idiot" refer to yourself.
As for actions of missionaries, I have stated that several times that it is something you have
to live with if you support freedom of religion.
In Sweden you have the Jehova Witness movement which behaves exactly the way
you describe. Annoying, but noone would dream of banning them just because they
are irritating.
Only people against fundamental freedoms of humans would want this, and you are a prime example of this.
Damn... reminds me of the laws whites used to impose on black slaves in 1900s America, except even the whites did not make laws on what words their black slaves could use.
Looks like an apartheid society in Malaysia between 1st class Muslims and 2nd class non-Muslims
U R the one to talk . lol
at least we muslims are honest with ourselves and others . what abt u guys huh ? ( i know ur not a representative of christians but for heck sure u represent an overwhelmingly stupid part of US)
u kill people with drones and tactical depleted uranium , u dissolve people in white phosphorous and orange agent .
u rip ppl's head off with dogsighted M-4s and bring hell on earth with ur super duper carriers . this is your today and dont even get me started on your freakish animalistic wild west .
okey ?
so when u talk abt muslim countries , you're talking abt nations who had public bathrooms long before u guys had toilet in west .
nations who's history are 100X times more than the 300 barbaric yrs of your history .....
who had human rights printed on stones long long time before the massacre of churches that ur proud of today .
peace
Lets see what you wrote earlier today:
"It's amazing how a whole bunch of anti-Muslim bigots ..."
I assume that you by "desperate clueless idiot" refer to yourself.
As for actions of missionaries, I have stated that several times that it is something you have
to live with if you support freedom of religion.
In Sweden you have the Jehova Witness movement which behaves exactly the way
you describe. Annoying, but noone would dream of banning them just because they
are irritating.
Only people against fundamental freedoms of humans would want this, and you are a prime example of this.
The conversation isn't even centered about Islam, instead the entire topic is about Malaysia banning Christians from using certain vocabulary. Amazing how you are actively supporting taking away free speech from Christians or bluntly put discriminate against Christians but on the other hand you scream "anti Muslim" at everyone else.
And you would know this how??? Did live in Malaysia? Have you secretly infiltrated these missionary organizations? Do you wear tin foil on your head? I have asked you repeatedly to show some hard proof. where is it? I can make all sorts of wild claims too.
Sound like hysteria to me, do you have video evidence of this? Bigots often spread fantastic rumors. What else have you heard, do they also eat children? Where is your proof, either you post reputable links to every single one of your claims or be know as a liar and a bigot.
No sources from Radical Muslims in Malaysia that are endorsing this discrimination either, since there credibility is about as good as yours.
Just sticking your head in the sand and refusing to acknowledge the world around you won't change anything.
I have posted references from the New York Times which shows actual missionaries and Christians admitting the dirty tricks used by Christian missionaries.
For example, the missionary board recommends that in some cases missionaries use “Allah” to refer to God. As Dr. Garrison explains it, “there is only one God, the God who created the heavens and earth,” so talking about the Christian God as “Allah” is not misleading. But Allah is also the specific god of the Koran, who says things the New Testament God would not. And the Isa of the Koran, while based on the Jesus of the New Testament, is quite different.
“At the extreme,” Dr. Reynolds said, “these Christian missionaries will grow beards like Muslims, give up pork, even say that they are ‘muslims’ — lower-case ‘m’ — in the Arab-adjective sense of ‘submissive to God.’ ”
But it is to be expected that a bigot like you would ignore any wrongdoing by Christian missionaries.
Lets look at your source and examine these "dirty tricks":
I do not see anything "dirty" about using the word allah when a Christian is speaking to a Muslim. You act so offended as if allah is a specific being or entity, it's a generic term that translates to God. Arab Christians use the word allah as do Muslims even when they speak to none Muslims. People have insecurity issues, are people so weak in their faiths that they are afraid that a technicality such as allah verse God will sway people away from their faith?
Lets look at another quote:
Note this isn't a Christian missionary but a Muslim theologist. Where he gets this, he does not say, how he knows this, he does not say. We are supposed to take his word?
The guy that is advocating discrimination against Christians is calling me a bigotFind a post, any post where i have said anything bad about Islam. Good luck, in the mean time look up the definition of a bigot because you are hopelessly confused.
It's people like you and your extremist views that are responsible for such barbaric practices such as arresting Christians for their faith, sentencing people to death, ect. Freedom of speech is a human right, it should be no ones business what someone else says, you can interpret the meaning of allah vs God all day long but contrary to what you say people do have a right to free speech even if it bothers or offends you.
So what, if you don't want to be converted, then leave.
If You are converted, you can always change to another religion later.
There are of course those criminals against humanity, that believe that leaving a faith
for another one, is grounds for prosecution. Maybe You are one of that lot.
If people have a religion, just because of the way they were taught as kids,
and are not exposed to any other thoughts, then that religion has little value.
Only if You have made a choice based on many opposing views, and You
know why this choice is made, your choice has any value.
invention ? u mean the the chipsets produced by laser ? oh wait that was an iranian invention . lolzMeanwhile people are using microcomputers and Internet, both US inventions, to prove their barbarism.
Suggest you get a grip, and start to contribute again.
Noone denying that Islam has brought inventions in the past.invention ? u mean the the chipsets produced by laser ? oh wait that was an iranian invention . lolz
let me explain . wheel was invented in persia , now u all have cars dont u ? medicine was invented by persians . now u all go to doctor dont u ? algibra was invented by muslim iranians . now u study math dont u ?
how's that for getting a grip ?
also ,iran is right now 15th country in science production and by SCOPUS predictions , if we keep up with this pace , we'll beat US in science production by 2050s . how's that for a grip ?
SJR - International Science Ranking
^^ 2012 estimations
Once again you demonstrate your incompetence with logic and the English language.
I refer to YOU -- that's YOU -- as an anti-Muslim bigot because you have demonstrated that bigotry with your general stereotypes and comments about Muslims and Islam.
By contrast, I am only criticizing extreme missionaries.
And, contrary to your delusions, missionaries do NOT have the right to use deceptive means. Like I wrote earlier, it's fine to say "please come in and hear about Jesus". It's not right to say "I am a muslim and let's pray for Allah" when, in fact, the missionary is trying to convert people to Christianity.
Once again you demonstrate your intellectual dishonesty by refusing to criticize the deceptive tactics used by Christian missionaries.
Dr. Reynolds teaches Muslim theology at the University of Notre Dame. That doesn't mean he is aMuslim himself. What it DOES mean is that he is an expert on the history of Christian missionary work, especially amongst Muslims.
Only you, in your desperate cluelessness, can fail to differentiate between an academic's field of expertise and his religion.
Dr, Caner, who is president of the Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, in Lynchburg, Va., similarly noted that the “Camel Method,” a strategy Dr. Rankin endorses for preaching Christianity to Muslims, is deceitful.
Now, you can continue to stick your head in the sand, and refuse to accept academics who point out the dirty tricks used by Christian missionaries, but your intellectual dishonesty only make YOU look like the idiot and the bigot that you are.
And YOU are a bigot because you refuse to acknowledge that Christian missionaries are at fault here. In your refusal to accept facts, you are blaming Muslims.
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
nor is he a Christian but rather Catholic
You are supporting a repressive law, that makes you a bigot, and thus a self proclaimed "desperate, clueless idiot".
I am supporting free speech and freedom of religion.