All students 99% from each of 38 Karachi colleges FAIL inter exam In Pakistan

[Edevelop]

This is why I have been saying don't pin too much hope on our youth. Ye bilkol fazool hain

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What is "cheating" about needlessly competing in some needless schooling exam ? Like I said, what have those who have in the last 75 years of Pakistan, passed exams "with flying colors" ( as they say in India ) achieved ? Below post is by Joe in a thread of mine from earlier this year about a student suicide in India, the suicide happening only because her Capitalist society forced her into the exam. Joe's post is in favor of open books which you seem to oppose :

I am not against open book Open book exams. I have my self taken those exams they are not easy as they sound.
my commentary is not on the structure of our education and whether the syllabus and the subjects themselves are relevant and useful or not.

my criticism is on the culture of ignoring rules , shortcuts and attempting to pass through unfair means which is in short called cheating which is unfair on other hardworking people and this is practice of deceit has become a a norm in the society .

open books are completely different setup. the challenge is to find the solution of a problem which is referenced in the Syllabus and students are allowed to bring in the prescribed material which is allowed. in our case our professors allowed us the course books.
. the students who have attended the classes and understand the concept then use the references from the open book to complete the challenge. I doubt most if not all of these failed students have the capacity to even understand and pass these exams.

 

[FuturePAF]

Happens every year but never to this extent. I blame lockdowns and TikTok. People need to pull up their socks and ensure they are equipped to become functioning members of society that can contribute to the growth of the country and obtain higher education or technical qualifications.

But alas this is a far deep rooted problem and one that is not easily rectified, it would also be interesting to see what comes from an examination of the papers submitted.

That said, academically government colleges in Karachi have always under performed.

Which people? How much blame can we put on the students when their curriculum and/or instruction is clearly not up to par. If it were merely the caliber of the students then it abilities should have been known going into these colleges, and their instruction could have been improved earlier or at least been given the tools to teach themselves at home.

 

[Ssan]

I think y’all are missing the forest for the trees. The recent trend has been for the establishment darlings, i.e. Billo Rani’s PPP party to fill the positions in all the universities and colleges with their PPP lackeys. The decline in educational institutions is a given.

Forget urban Sindh quotas that PPP was filling with its own lackeys- they have also taken over practically all posts in universities colleges in Karachi.

Whoever is in Karachi who can leave should leave. No one should be a sacrificial lamb for establishment topi drama.

 

[Paitoo]

1. But there are millions of Indians with "formal qualifications" in my field of computing - our Mr. PhD-But-Not-Elon Skulled Bones included. What are their achievements in the at least five decades of computing be present in India ? A single achievement if you please.

Arey @jamahir bhaiya, kaahe itna tensioniya rahey ho. Dui tho paan chabaye liyo banarsi, tambakhu sahit toh khopadiya mast khul jaee. Ek dum tanatan

 

[SIPRA]

Arey @jamahir bhaiya, kaahe itna tensioniya rahey ho. Dui tho paan chabaye liyo banarsi, tambakhu sahit toh khopadiya mast khul jaee. Ek dum tanatan

Excellent proposition, as also duly recommended by late Kishore Kumar:

"Khaayi kay paan banaaras waala
Khul jaaye bund aqal ka taala"

 

[S.Y.A]

Medical and engineering graduates from Karachi have a very high failure rate of not being able to obtain professional licenses abroad. Most of them end up working as a Physician Assistant or not even that.

dont know what you are talking about, all my friends are sitting comfortably in germany, italy, us and canada at high paying jobs (mostly in fields of sensor fusion, asic design, embedded systems design etc.)

 

[Enigma SIG]

All because they were hooked watching pron productions of ISI

 

[Areesh]

Chup bsdk daswi fail.

Daswi nahi barwi

he is a dropout from 12th grade or something

 

[El Sidd]

The systematic marginalisation of Karachiites continue unabated to the amusement of rest of the country.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Daswi nahi barwi

he is a dropout from 12th grade or something

Bhai he claims he burnt his 11th pass mark sheet, so no proof.

 

[Areesh]

Bhai he claims he burnt his 11th pass mark sheet, so no proof.

Burnt his 11th marksheet??

Abay yeh school bhi gaya hai ya nahi

 

[jamahir]

I am not against open book Open book exams. I have my self taken those exams they are not easy as they sound.
my commentary is not on the structure of our education and whether the syllabus and the subjects themselves are relevant and useful or not.

my criticism is on the culture of ignoring rules , shortcuts and attempting to pass through unfair means which is in short called cheating which is unfair on other hardworking people and this is practice of deceit has become a a norm in the society .

open books are completely different setup. the challenge is to find the solution of a problem which is referenced in the Syllabus and students are allowed to bring in the prescribed material which is allowed. in our case our professors allowed us the course books.
. the students who have attended the classes and understand the concept then use the references from the open book to complete the challenge. I doubt most if not all of these failed students have the capacity to even understand and pass these exams.

Irfan sahab, nice that you admire the open book method and that you put in more confidence into it by taking such an exam yourself but I seek the abolition of exams itself. If at a course's agreed end the student has to pressure himself or herself to write an exam then what was that he or she did for the preceding year or three years ? The exam simply means that the student does not have confidence on himself or herself to have learnt anything and move through life, then it means that the teacher wasn't able to teach something where the students understood a topic and enabled the students to set up groups of interests to develop a technology or idea, and it consequently means that the "education" system which surrounds these exam-attending students and the exams-directing teachers and the exams-pushing parents and creates all-year-round urgencies and tensions among the participants, this "education" system is of no use. It means that the system is not meant to educate but to propagate the system of exams and marks for the sake of exams and marks and push the resultant output into the Capitalist dog-eat-dog employments where almost always the exams and marks won't realize any achievement.

This is just like desi parents who don't have the confidence in the talents, ideas and experiences of their own children who have lived in the same house for years and the parents developing a very reluctant confidence only via the device called schooling certificate which will have a set of "marks". However, if high performance in exams actually meant something good then India and Pakistan would have been harmonious, welfare-based societies long ago what with the British-era schooling system added with the unnecessary high complications that desi life imposes. I don't think there is any Britain equivalent of the Rajasthan city called Kota which is full of "coaching centers" where parents push in their children unwillingly in hundreds every year so that those "coaching centers" can produce successful attenders of entrance examinations in so-called prestigious educational institutes. So many students suicide in Kota. For what ? Joe spoke about the Phoenicians killing their infants in sacrifices 2400 years ago and that being not anything different from Indian parents - desi parents - general - either pushing their student children into suicide for the sake of ridiculous exams just so that the parents can brag about the marks to their neighbors and relatives, or if the students don't suicide then the parents pushing them into a Capitalist life of "paying the bills" until death - even for obtaining water - and passing that on to their children and the children's children. This has been the rite of passage of India and Pakistan for 75 years since their so-called independence.

My original question stands : India has the largest collection of college graduates including the double degreed ones ( @Suriya I think wrote 30 exams in a year ) and the PhDs but what is India internally and does India have a crewed research station on Mars established 30 years ago built on the dint of these holy PhDs and graduates who passed exams "with flying colors" ?

So in this context what is cheating in the exams if the exams themselves are something to be abolished ? Rules must be followed where they are rational, where the system is rational. Where a system is irrational, unscientific and oppressive then the system should be overthrown.

Bhai he claims he burnt his 11th pass mark sheet, so no proof.

Burnt his 11th marksheet??

Abay yeh school bhi gaya hai ya nahi

You two princes should also burn your 11th class certificate, in fact your entire set of degrees except the 10th class one which maybe in Pakistan too is a citizen identity proof - and burn the PhD in case of Skull - and post the scene on PDF and show us and to your senseless parents and to society that you can achieve and move about in life without those pieces of paper. Do you have the confidence ?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Irfan sahab, nice that you admire the open book method and that you put in more confidence into it by taking such an exam yourself but I seek the abolition of exams itself. If at a course's agreed end the student has to pressure himself or herself to write an exam then what was that he or she did for the preceding year or three years ? The exam simply means that the student does not have confidence on himself or herself to have learnt anything and move through life, then it means that the teacher wasn't able to teach something where the students understood a topic and enabled the students to set up groups of interests to develop a technology or idea, and it consequently means that the "education" system which surrounds these exam-attending students and the exams-directing teachers and the exams-pushing parents and creates all-year-round urgencies and tensions among the participants, this "education" system is of no use. It means that the system is not meant to educate but to propagate the system of exams and marks for the sake of exams and marks and push the resultant output into the Capitalist dog-eat-dog employments where almost always the exams and marks won't realize any achievement.

This is just like desi parents who don't have the confidence in the talents, ideas and experiences of their own children who have lived in the same house for years and the parents developing a very reluctant confidence only via the device called schooling certificate which will have a set of "marks". However, if high performance in exams actually meant something good then India and Pakistan would have been harmonious, welfare-based societies long ago what with the British-era schooling system added with the unnecessary high complications that desi life imposes. I don't think there is any Britain equivalent of the Rajasthan city called Kota which is full of "coaching centers" where parents push in their children unwillingly in hundreds every year so that those "coaching centers" can produce successful attenders of entrance examinations in so-called prestigious educational institutes. So many students suicide in Kota. For what ? Joe spoke about the Phoenicians killing their infants in sacrifices 2400 years ago and that being not anything different from Indian parents - desi parents - general - either pushing their student children into suicide for the sake of ridiculous exams just so that the parents can brag about the marks to their neighbors and relatives, or if the students don't suicide then the parents pushing them into a Capitalist life of "paying the bills" until death - even for obtaining water - and passing that on to their children and the children's children. This has been the rite of passage of India and Pakistan for 75 years since their so-called independence.

My original question stands : India has the largest collection of college graduates including the double degreed ones ( @Suriya I think wrote 30 exams in a year ) and the PhDs but what is India internally and does India have a crewed research station on Mars established 30 years ago built on the dint of these holy PhDs and graduates who passed exams "with flying colors" ?

So in this context what is cheating in the exams if the exams themselves are something to be abolished ? Rules must be followed where they are rational, where the system is rational. Where a system is irrational, unscientific and oppressive then the system should be overthrown.





You two princes should also burn your 11th class certificate, in fact your entire set of degrees except the 10th class one which maybe in Pakistan too is a citizen identity proof - and burn the PhD in case of Skull - and post the scene on PDF and show us and to your senseless parents and to society that you can achieve and move about in life without those pieces of paper. Do you have the confidence ?

Even if they burn Thier degrees, it probably won't result in anything as it's part of their online record

 

[jamahir]

Even if they burn Thier degrees, it probably won't result in anything as it's part of their online record

The online record is a technicality, the burning will be a big symbolicism, their public rejection of an entire system imposed on them by their family "elders", the surrounding society and their own unthinking volunteering all this time.

This will be the same symbolic act that the Dalit leader Ambedkar and his associates did by burning the guide book of the Hindutvadis called Manusmriti in a public gathering on December 25 1927. This was the book that had oppressed the Dalits, Shudras and women for the preceding 3000 years in India and by burning it the protesters rejected an entire system at great personal risk. Areesh and Skull must reject the system that oppressed them all their life and their family and society foisted upon them and which system hasn't resulted in any development in the 75 years of the existence of their societies.