all future F-16 wings will be built in India

[Papa Dragon]

I don't see any future for the F-16s atleast not from the IAF. These wings maybe built as spares for existing fleets or for new ones.

For Pakistanis claiming IAF is gonna acquire vintage tech F-16s in 5th gen era, producing parts doesn't mean we need to acquire the weapons systems necessarily.

We have been producing fuselages for the US presidential choppers and a range of other aviation platforms but we haven't acquired any of em. The only possibility for IAF to acquire are a few more Rafales and maybe the FGFA...period

 

[waz]

You or we here don't know that yet.....

We don't know for sure but taking a calculated and educated guess I can pretty much say that that there will not be any more orders, you need only look at the state of US/Pakistan ties now.

 

[Thorough Pro]

These Americans are very clever, they are trying to sell the equipment for an almost obsolete/discontinued product to India.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

These Americans are very clever, they are trying to sell the equipment for an almost obsolete/discontinued product to India.

Indians aren't exactly fools!! It's clever vs clever!!!

 

[El Sidd]

All hail cheap labor.

P.s. Tejas still cant fly

 

[Turingsage]

These Americans are very clever, they are trying to sell the equipment for an almost obsolete/discontinued product to India.

It does not matter one jot. India's need is to widen and deepen the technical skill base and trained skilled manpower in military manufacture. When you build F16 wings you easily learn to build wings on many aircraft types and you have a skilled manpower that can be deployed elsewhere.
India lacks the wide and deep technical/manufacturing ecosystem of the developed world and is behind China. This helps.
It does not matter if we manufacture aluminium rivets or learn to shape aluminium body parts, they are all part of extending and widening the technical reach.

 

[El Sidd]

It does not matter one jot. India's need is to widen and deepen the technical skill base and trained skilled manpower in military manufacture. When you build F16 wings you easily learn to build wings on many aircraft types and you have a skilled manpower that can be deployed elsewhere.
India lacks the wide and deep technical/manufacturing ecosystem of the developed world and is behind China. This helps.
It does not matter if we manufacture aluminium rivets or learn to shape aluminium body parts, they are all part of extending and widening the technical reach.

First make Tejas fly before discussing Technical depths

It does not matter one jot. India's need is to widen and deepen the technical skill base and trained skilled manpower in military manufacture. When you build F16 wings you easily learn to build wings on many aircraft types and you have a skilled manpower that can be deployed elsewhere.
India lacks the wide and deep technical/manufacturing ecosystem of the developed world and is behind China. This helps.
It does not matter if we manufacture aluminium rivets or learn to shape aluminium body parts, they are all part of extending and widening the technical reach.

Not to mention the hoax of moon and mars mission

 

[Thorough Pro]

You already have those skills and building MKI and Tejas wings.

It does not matter one jot. India's need is to widen and deepen the technical skill base and trained skilled manpower in military manufacture. When you build F16 wings you easily learn to build wings on many aircraft types and you have a skilled manpower that can be deployed elsewhere.
India lacks the wide and deep technical/manufacturing ecosystem of the developed world and is behind China. This helps.
It does not matter if we manufacture aluminium rivets or learn to shape aluminium body parts, they are all part of extending and widening the technical reach.

 

[925boy]

african countries will buy .

Them, and others too.

 

[FuturePAF]

I don't see any future for the F-16s atleast not from the IAF. These wings maybe built as spares for existing fleets or for new ones.

For Pakistanis claiming IAF is gonna acquire vintage tech F-16s in 5th gen era, producing parts doesn't mean we need to acquire the weapons systems necessarily.

We have been producing fuselages for the US presidential choppers and a range of other aviation platforms but we haven't acquired any of em. The only possibility for IAF to acquire are a few more Rafales and maybe the FGFA...period

Arms deals are also about defense pacts; 200 F-16 Block 70 would cement jobs in the US for the next 20 years and tie the US and India together in the struggle against China. In fact, India Brass want high tech at the lowest cost (hence the Tejas which is nearly the same price, is a dead option, to save face the IAF may acquire 100 to fly around southern India and test Indian made munitions). The F-16 Block 70 is near stealth fighter electronics in a formidable and reliable air frame.

F-35 deals may start in 10-15 years if the Indians get the F-16 and that maybe the carrot that clinches the deal. The Rafale is much more expensive with limited munition options. The Indians are already pissed at the french for the price of the rafale, so high tech with long range at the lowest cost, the F-16 is a no brainer.

Also get ToT to build the F-16 will make the jump to a Fifth gen fighter more possible. Its not just hardware manufacturing but the software; the management, and proper manufacturing process. This is what helped Turkey gain the confidence to go for a fifth gen fighter. The Japanese spend more then the standard price, but learned alot making the F-2 (F-16 derivative) at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and now Mitsubishi is making the F-3 ShinShin Stealth Fighter.

Honestly, The Russians only share limited knowledge and so will the French. Its really private companies with a profit motive, that can make a reliable production line in India. DRDO and HAL have fallen short for far too long. The Americans will chase the money and sell what is older tech for them, but still modern tech for Indians. 10-12 Squadrons of F-16s on the borders of China will also win over the Americans to sell downgraded F-35s as they are doing to allies like Turkey.

These planes are means to an end, the era of the Non-Aligned movement is over and buried.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Arms deals are also about defense pacts; 200 F-16 Block 70 would cement jobs in the US for the next 20 years and tie the US and India together in the struggle against China. In fact, India Brass want high tech at the lowest cost (hence the Tejas which is nearly the same price, is a dead option, to save face the IAF may acquire 100 to fly around southern India and test Indian made munitions). The F-16 Block 70 is near stealth fighter electronics in a formidable and reliable air frame.

F-35 deals may start in 10-15 years if the Indians get the F-16 and that maybe the carrot that clinches the deal. The Rafale is much more expensive with limited munition options. The Indians are already pissed at the french for the price of the rafale, so high tech with long range at the lowest cost, the F-16 is a no brainer.

Also get ToT to build the F-16 will make the jump to a Fifth gen fighter more possible. Its not just hardware manufacturing but the software; the management, and proper manufacturing process. This is what helped Turkey gain the confidence to go for a fifth gen fighter. The Japanese spend more then the standard price, but learned alot making the F-2 (F-16 derivative) at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and now Mitsubishi is making the F-3 ShinShin Stealth Fighter.

Honestly, The Russians only share limited knowledge and so will the French. Its really private companies with a profit motive, that can make a reliable production line in India. DRDO and HAL have fallen short for far too long. The Americans will chase the money and sell what is older tech for them, but still modern tech for Indians. 10-12 Squadrons of F-16s on the borders of China will also win over the Americans to sell downgraded F-35s as they are doing to allies like Turkey.

These planes are means to an end, the era of the Non-Aligned movement is over and buried.

FYI, IAF has already rejected the F-16. IAF's top brass is well aware that F-16's airframe has reached the zenith of it's upgrade potential and there isn't any left to upgrade. You stated F-16 is old tech to UsAF but modern tech to India but we think otherwise. Our Su-30 MKI's are among the best Sukhois and many countries wanted their Su-30 versions to be on par with MKIs and we are also upgrading them to Super Sukhois which will put them on par with 5th gen fighters minus the stealth.

Regarding ToT, I'm sure US would offer nothing more than a nut and bolt job. Even though some of the components are being manufactured in India, all crucial aspects would still be kept to themselves particularly the software, sensor fusion tech etc. You just dunno anything about the Russians nor the French, so don't pretend you're the one handling deals and IAF is happy with Rafale's pricing because we got it at a cheaper price than the other countries procuring it.

Unlike most countries, we have the balls to say "NO" to the US. We did it in case of S-400 even though they threatened us with sanctions, we did it with Javelin ATGM and we already rejected all US platforms during MMRCA and IAF wouldn't settle anything second to the best.

 

[FuturePAF]

FYI, IAF has already rejected the F-16. IAF's top brass is well aware that F-16's airframe has reached the zenith of it's upgrade potential and there isn't any left to upgrade. You stated F-16 is old tech to UsAF but modern tech to India but we think otherwise. Our Su-30 MKI's are among the best Sukhois and many countries wanted their Su-30 versions to be on par with MKIs and we are also upgrading them to Super Sukhois which will put them on par with 5th gen fighters minus the stealth.

Regarding ToT, I'm sure US would offer nothing more than a nut and bolt job. Even though some of the components are being manufactured in India, all crucial aspects would still be kept to themselves particularly the software, sensor fusion tech etc. You just dunno anything about the Russians nor the French, so don't pretend you're the one handling deals and IAF is happy with Rafale's pricing because we got it at a cheaper price than the other countries procuring it.

Unlike most countries, we have the balls to say "NO" to the US. We did it in case of S-400 even though they threatened us with sanctions, we did it with Javelin ATGM and we already rejected all US platforms during MMRCA and IAF wouldn't settle anything second to the best.

We will see. Bring back the F-16 and Gripen in to consideration for the 200 fighters the IAF is short seems to indicate otherwise.
http://www.rediff.com/news/special/f-16-or-gripen-e-what-will-modi-choose/20171220.htm

Also, India's decision on the S-400 is not over until S-400s arrive in India. India goes back and forth, and if it matters so much to the US, it will apply the pressure it sees fit. What India decides on the S-400 will be a big indication. Also the Su-30MKI have reliability issues.

Personally, I hope India goes for more Russian Fighters and French Fighters, and not the Gripen or F-16. The expensive of maintenance and weaponry will hold India back. Also I hope India spends a lot of 5th Gen R&D, and runs it through DRDO and HAL. India's Pride will be its undoing, but you are free to hope and think as you wish. (Nothing personal, just my humble opinion, you can disagree, but time will tell)

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...es-problems-despite-russian-spare-parts-deal/

HAL is also responsible for after-sales support, snag disposition, on-site repair and rectification, aircraft modification, and upgrade and obsolescence management of the Indian Su-30MKI fleet. But the company faces roadblocks to carrying out timely repair, overhaul and maintenance orders for the Su-30MKI fleet due to the poor supply of required spare parts.

"The [Su-30MKI] fleet is prohibitively expensive equipment and faces problems due to high, premature failure rate of subsystems like engines, radars, missiles, avionics, etc.," said Vinod Kumar Narang, a retired Indian Air Force air vice-marshal.

Narang noted that the major issue regarding maintenance is not the supply of spare parts but rather the rapidity of repairs of line-replaceable units and shop-repairable units. He asserted that the Russian suppliers make good money by supplying new spare parts at solid profit margins, but are always reluctant to quickly make repairs at 25 percent of the cost of new items.

 

[Raider 21]

Won't don't know for sure but taking a calculated and educated guess I can pretty much say that that there will not be any more orders, you need only look at the state of US/Pakistan ties now.

Agreed

FYI, IAF has already rejected the F-16. IAF's top brass is well aware that F-16's airframe has reached the zenith of it's upgrade potential and there isn't any left to upgrade. You stated F-16 is old tech to UsAF but modern tech to India but we think otherwise. Our Su-30 MKI's are among the best Sukhois and many countries wanted their Su-30 versions to be on par with MKIs and we are also upgrading them to Super Sukhois which will put them on par with 5th gen fighters minus the stealth.

Regarding ToT, I'm sure US would offer nothing more than a nut and bolt job. Even though some of the components are being manufactured in India, all crucial aspects would still be kept to themselves particularly the software, sensor fusion tech etc. You just dunno anything about the Russians nor the French, so don't pretend you're the one handling deals and IAF is happy with Rafale's pricing because we got it at a cheaper price than the other countries procuring it.

Unlike most countries, we have the balls to say "NO" to the US. We did it in case of S-400 even though they threatened us with sanctions, we did it with Javelin ATGM and we already rejected all US platforms during MMRCA and IAF wouldn't settle anything second to the best.

It was rejected before....yet the IAF procurement team has always been indecisive when it comes to Western fighter or attack jet contracts....Hawks, Jaguars, C-130s, PC-7s....I heard this from an ex-BAE Systems employee who did multiple projects in India....

 

[mingle]

It's an offer if India will buy F16 otherwise pure fantasy

 

[Sharky]

IAF wouldn't settle anything second to the best.

I agree and hence they rejected the shitty names teja. Which is the worst fighter of them all, even worse than joint fighter 17.