ALGERIA BLASTS TURKEY OVER ALLEGED ARMS SHIPMENTS TO LIBYA

[Ceylal]

No state can block Turkey to sell arm to our Libyan brothers. In recent visit of MoND, Turkey and Libya discussed sensitive matters regarding EEZ of Libya but It is not about Algeria. Algeria and Turkey enjoys mutual trades worth billion $. Most probably, Turkey will sell some naval things to protect the rights of Libya against Greeks, not Algeria. Do not believe on BS spreaded by El-Saud family media.

I get your point, but most of those arms ended up on the Algerian border..There was not a day that passes without a discovery of arms cache at the Lybian, Niger, Mali borders with Algeria...Turkey is not alone, the UAE Qatar and Egypt are too providing illegally arms to one or another Lybian factions..

we all know very well that we have very good relations with Algeria. And we are investing heavly in Algeria just one example is more than enough ! A Turkish Private company (TOSYALI) invested almost 1 billion USD for a steel factory in Algeria which is the biggest in Algeria . Therefore a suadi newspaper with unnamed source sounds BS to me!

That is true and among all the Mena area, Turkey exchanges with Algeria tops the $6 B...

North Africa is firmly under Saudi-French control.

No need to generalise, we are talking about Algeria, and Algeria is under nobody control but Algerian..

And Ottoman soon lost control of that area because it was stretched out too far. They were de facto independent in all but name. North Africa is ruled by Arab regimes and whenever Saudi makes a declaration they all fall in line and support it.

If Algeria of all people is complaining about Turkey then you have no chance for gaining stronghold there. Algeria is a rival of Morocco. The Western Sahara government in exile in based in Algeria who in turn are trying to break Morocco into two halves. Morocco in turn is closely supportive of Saudi Arabia on international matters. If even Algeria is criticizing Turkey, then that is the perfect example of how Turkey is playing with fire by involving itself where it's outnumbered and unwanted. Over-ambition is why the Ottomans collapsed. I don't want to see the same happen to Turkey.

Algeria is not a rival of Morocco, nor Morocco is to Algeria..Western Sahara was never Moroccan to begin with and nobody is trying to divide Morocco..at least not Algeria..Western Sahara is a decolonisation problem, the only country remaining colonised and the coloniser is a Muslim country and all the Muslim countries are supporting Morocco in this particular case...which is normal, most of those countries haven’t fought for their land , it was given to them ...
Look at your case “as Palestinian and your land” they have uprooted your people...The same people that are for a Moroccan Western Sahara are for a 100% Israeli land ..no Palestinian, no Palestine land from the Baka valley to the southern horn of Sinai..
Western Sahara has Algeria..They will have an indépendant state, they will have a future...irrespective what the Arabs will do or will say.

 

[Fortress]

Algeria is not a rival of Morocco, nor Morocco is to Algeria..Western Sahara was never Moroccan to begin with and nobody is trying to divide Morocco..at least not Algeria..Western Sahara is a decolonisation problem, the only country remaining colonised and the coloniser is a Muslim country and all the Muslim countries are supporting Morocco in this particular case...which is normal, most of those countries haven’t fought for their land , it was given to them ...
Look at your case “as Palestinian and your land” they have uprooted your people...The same people that are for a Moroccan Western Sahara are for a 100% Israeli land ..no Palestinian, no Palestine land from the Baka valley to the southern horn of Sinai..
Western Sahara has Algeria..They will have an indépendant state, they will have a future...irrespective what the Arabs will do or will say.

You don't even believe what you're saying... "Algeria is not a rival of Morocco" and then "Western Sahara has Algeria..They will have an indépendant state"

Of course you are rivals. You think if another state wants to liberate half of your country from you you're not going to have some tension between you?

 

[Ceylal]

You don't even believe what you're saying... "Algeria is not a rival of Morocco" and then "Western Sahara has Algeria..They will have an indépendant state"

Of course you are rivals. You think if another state wants to liberate half of your country from you you're not going to have some tension between you?

They are not rival..a rival is when you are competing to market a product or put your view to be accepted by a world at large...Morocco doesn’t weight that much in the world arena, wether politically, economically or militarily ...there is no contest between the two countries, therefore no rival ties..animosity yes, only from the Moroccan side, rivalry no..

 

[Fortress]

They are not rival..a rival is when you are competing to market a product or put your view to be accepted by a world at large...Morocco doesn’t weight that much in the world arena, wether politically, economically or militarily ...there is no contest between the two countries, therefore no rival ties..animosity yes, only from the Moroccan side, rivalry no..

Rivalry doesn't need to have products sold, or any third party whatsoever. If you and some compete, you are rivals. The competition can be exclusive between you two alone, no one else involved.

Both countries have similar culture, but different political systems. Both countries are on opposite ends regarding Western Sahara. That is where your rivalry is. I am not speaking on anything else.

Regardless of that, "rival" is merely semantics. You can call it whatever you want. The point remains steadfast. If Algeria doesn't want Turkey, we already know Morocco don't want them because they are closer to KSA, and Egypt is a vassal of KSA. Turkey is walking in a snake pit and hoping it doesn't get bit.

@Ceylal just a sincere question what is this fascination with french I mean still ? we are working with a company named ENIEM from Algeria we are exchaning emails ı wrote in english but they always reply them in french

North Africa and Sahel (upper half of West Africa) was ruled by France!! That is their secondary language.


I'm not trying to pick on you specifically but so-called Ummah are extremely ignorant about the history of the actual Ummah. West Africa was conquered by France, and Central Asia by Russia. Cham (South Vietnam) was conquered by Viets (North Vietnam) and Uyghurstan by Han Chinese. North Africa by France, Crimea and North Caucasus by Russia, and South and Southeast Asia by British and Dutch. Then finally the British and French conquered the Ottoman Empire and split it up. One by one the entire Ummah was conquered by foreign powers. Circassians were exterminated (mid 1800s) and genocided, Crimean Tatars were ethnically cleansed (1940s), Cham people were ethnically cleansed (17-1800s). The Ummah didn't do anything, just like how they didn't do anything during the Bosnian Genocide (1940s), and today the Rohingya Genocide, and tomorrow it will be the Palestinians and Uighurs. Muslim schools don't teach anyone about these parts of history. How many Muslims know that Crimea and South Vietnam and Northwest Caucasus were once Muslim countries?

 

[Fortress]

I am well aware of that the point is I dont know French or Arabic and if I am gona use google traslate anyway I prefer them to comunicate with thier mother tounge if not in english for their sake at least! especially after an independence war guess wise to value your own langueage and dislike french a bit.

Devaluing French doesn't really make sense. They became part of the larger network where French was lingua franca. Knowing a common lingua franca helps with personal communication as well as trade and cultural exchange.

They would need a lingua franca regardless, if it was just Arabic then they can't communicate with West Africa. Now they can communicate with both North and West, and French overseas. Also French was an international language more prestigious than English. You are speaking English but questioning French, I'm sure they're thinking why you're speaking second-rate English instead of high-class French as lingua franca.

 

[Fortress]

in fact was!!meaning past! and not a glourious but a blody one. English is the internationl language now! now i.e Which is present!

Why would they care? They already speak French. People who are Francophone do not give two shits about Anglophiles.

Even Maghrebi Arabic isn't mutually intelligible with Middle-Eastern Arabic. So even if they just stuck with Arabic they still wouldn't be able to fully communicate with other Arabs.

Everyone who speaks English as a secondary language from their native countries have had a bloody past with the British as well.

 

[zectech]

only terrorists are Iran and S.Arabia in the Middle East

Iran created choas in Iraq,Syria,Lebanon,Yemen
the US and S.Arabia created Al Qaeda , Isis to terrorize the Middle East

If it was not for Iran, parts of Lebanon and Syria would be zionist regime occupied like the Golan heights.

Iraq bends over backwards to please everyone. It is no puppet of Iran. Nouri al-Maliki was the best they had.

 

[Fortress]

as I wrote you are missing the point! the people that I am dealing with knows english and they know that I dont know French! therefore cominication is obviously not their concern. They are trying to be More french than a french

I just told you Francophone peoples do not value Anglophones.

They can say the same thing about us, that you are being more English than the English themselves. Because in UK there exist Celtic languages, in Canada there is French, in US there is Spanish, etc.

Francophone people love the French language. France has a large Maghrebi and Sahelian community. UK and US does not have that, so their preference will always be French over English. In UK there is large South Asian, Nigerian, Caribbean, Somali community instead.

I'm just explaining how it is. It doesn't effect me personally, but this is what I know from observation.

 

[Fortress]

ok hope you are aware that what you wrote does not make any sense so you are telling that for an Algerian being a Francophone is more important that being an Arabic speaking Algeria as birth and as an identity whose country happened to be ruled by France for a while as I wrote you are keep missing the point since an ordinary Algerian does not have such an issue.

They speak both languages. And Maghreb wasn't Arabic until only the 16th and 17th centuries. The region became Arabized and Francophone at roughly the same time period.

Prior to that, the region was ruled by Muslim Berber dynasties since Abbassid times and after. Berber (Amazigh) languages were the predominant tongue of commoners for thousands of years. There still exist many who identify as Amazigh and not Arab.

Arabic and French are both foreign languages. They speak it the same way Irish, Scots and Welsh speak English over their native Celtic tongue. And as I already said Maghrebi Arabic does not help them with transnational communication because it is distinct. Even Moroccans and Algerians have trouble communicating with one another. French is what helps them communicate.

 

[ezerdi2]

They speak both languages. And Maghreb wasn't Arabic until only the 16th and 17th centuries. The region became Arabized and Francophone at roughly the same time period.

Prior to that, the region was ruled by Muslim Berber dynasties since Abbassid times and after. Berber (Amazigh) languages were the predominant tongue of commoners for thousands of years. There still exist many who identify as Amazigh and not Arab.

Arabic and French are both foreign languages. They speak it the same way Irish, Scots and Welsh speak English over their native Celtic tongue. And as I already said Maghrebi Arabic does not help them with transnational communication because it is distinct. Even Moroccans and Algerians have trouble communicating with one another. French is what helps them communicate.

President boumediene want arabize Algeria after indepandence egypt and syria, irak send several thousands teachers we saw the result in 90s a fanatic génération sacrificed in a bloody civil war

look in 70s Algeria was fine people was educated we begin something good until this silly boumediene follow his arabs friends

 

[libertad]

No state can block Turkey to sell arm to our Libyan brothers.

Good. I hope now I won't have to hear Turks complaining about NATO arming Kurds. If its good for the goose....

 

[lonelyman]

Good. I hope now I won't have to hear Turks complaining about NATO arming Kurds. If its good for the goose....

Well said, they claim they have every rights to nose in every conflict and advance their interests, but someone do the same like arming Kurds, they call bloody hell, hypocrites

 

[MMM-E]

Good. I hope now I won't have to hear Turks complaining about NATO arming Kurds. If its good for the goose

Well said, they claim they have every rights to nose in every conflict and advance their interests, but someone do the same like arming Kurds, they call bloody hell, hypocrites

Pkk/Ypg ( who killed over 40.000 innocent people including childs and women since 1985 ) was recognized as terrorist organization by the US , the EU , Japan , Australia , Canada , Iraq , Iran , Syria ...... all NATO countries

on the other hand Turkey supports legal government in TRIPOLI against Egypt,Uae,France backed fcking traitor terrorist HAFTER who made military coup against legal government in the capital city TRIPOLI

 

[Oublious]

Good. I hope now I won't have to hear Turks complaining about NATO arming Kurds. If its good for the goose....

Libya is a state...

 

[lonelyman]

Pkk/Ypg ( who killed over 40.000 innocent people including childs and women since 1985 ) was recognized as terrorist organization by the US , the EU , Japan , Australia , Canada , Iraq , Iran , Syria ...... all NATO countries

on the other hand Turkey supports legal government in TRIPOLI against Egypt,Uae,France backed fcking traitor terrorist HAFTER who made military coup against legal government in the capital city TRIPOLI

Which country listed YPG as terrorist organization except yourself? Whole world witnessed the bravery of these Kurds when fighting ISIS, where were you?