ALEVISM IN TURKEY

[Dubious]

18. April 2016

What exactly are you trying to say with an article from 2016? That too from an unknown website...It isnt the major newspaper!

Does this sound Turkish to you: © Heinrich-Böll-Stiftung

 

[padamchen]

And @Dubious

Why does he get a "bro" and I do not? At best a "dude"?

I want to be a "bro" too please.

Cheers, Doc

What exactly are you trying to say with an article from 2016? That too from an unknown website...It isnt the major newspaper!

Does this sound Turkish to you: © Heinrich-Böll-Stiftung

Its about Alevis.

How does it matter if its from 2016?

Is there a date cut-off that we have not been informed about?

Is there a list of "acceptable sources"?

Something like the ones you had posted in our first exchange when you ban-jerked me?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Dubious]

I posted an article on a sect of Turks. A human interest article, which I found educational. Coz I knew not a lot about Alevis.

What did you find provocative about it, besides the whining of the Turks in your ears?

Cheers, Doc

So you dont know about Alevis and yet dont want anyone to tell you about them? How is that not a sheep falling as prey for a propaganda?!
You trying to say that these people are a "security threat" - How is that not provocative?

Author: Ali Kenanoğlu

Ali Kenanoğlu was born in 1971. He is among the founders and directors of several Alevi institutions, such as the Hacı Bektaş Veli Anatolian Culture Foundation, Hubyar Sultan Alevi Culture Association, Boğaziçi Alevi Culture Association and Alevi Bektashi Federation. He has attended several national as well as international platforms with presentations on state-religion affairs, Alevism and contemporary political issues. Kenanoğlu was elected as Istanbul MP from the HDP in the June 2015 elections. He regularly writes for the daily Evrensel.

1-) Member (founder-director) of 4 Alevi institutions. So, you can't really expect him to be neutral on the subject.
2-) Founder of the Alevi Bektaşi Federation, an instute that wants Diyanet to be dissolved and imams to be fired.
3-) Member of HDP political extention of PKK terrorist organization.
4-) Regularly writing for Daily Evrensel an extreme leftist piece of media.

After the author, i look at the website https://tr.boell.org/en and saw it is all about Turkey...some kind of doing anti-propaganda for Turkey..

Obviously they will not like something showing their state in poor light.

And neither would you! Why be hypocritical? ESP concerning a topic you have no knowledge about? How can you claim they are wrong and you right? How can you deny this is not a propaganda? Considering the author has been exposed by @Sinan

Why does he get a "bro" and I do not? At best a "dude"?

I want to be a "bro" too please.

Cheers, Doc

I called you dude several times on the Iranian threads and yet you continue such propaganda against Iranians and now Turks...One should question YOUR motives?!

Its about Alevis.

How does it matter if its from 2016?

Is there a date cut-off that we have not been informed about?

Is there a list of "acceptable sources"?

Something like the ones you had posted in our first exchange when you ban-jerked me?

Cheers, Doc

1) Yes there are rules = Dont insult other NATIONS, Dont share fake news/ propaganda
2) YOU yourself claimed you have no knowledge about ALEVIS...how about reading up first? And if you have no knowledge how can you fight on behalf of them and believe they are a security threat? Do they have it stamped on their foreheads that they are Alevis? Who identifies them and how?
3) Acceptable sources means mainstream media! We are not in charge of media but we do not provide a platform for propaganda!
4) NEVER once did I ban you...We have a 3 strike policy if you had already had 2 strikes, I suggest you not troll and get the 3rd one which bans you! COMMON SENSE would tell you to wait for 1 strike to go away.
5) I didnt even issue you ANY warning and am only reasoning with you right now!
@WebMaster @waz and @Slav Defence can help you with further rules!

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

I first saw the post and it was long..so, i scrolled down a bit and choose a paragraph to read....


This sentence is pure lie... and i don't think that i need to tell it is a lie since it would mean more than 10 million Turkish citizen would be seen as a "security problem". Everyone can see the logical mistake of the author here.

And after seeing this, i just wondered who is this guy to plain lie. I google searched the title, since Op gave no links ( he had reasons, i guess)

https://tr.boell.org/de/2016/04/18/...m-and-solutions-seven-demands-seven-proposals

Author: Ali Kenanoğlu

Ali Kenanoğlu was born in 1971. He is among the founders and directors of several Alevi institutions, such as the Hacı Bektaş Veli Anatolian Culture Foundation, Hubyar Sultan Alevi Culture Association, Boğaziçi Alevi Culture Association and Alevi Bektashi Federation. He has attended several national as well as international platforms with presentations on state-religion affairs, Alevism and contemporary political issues. Kenanoğlu was elected as Istanbul MP from the HDP in the June 2015 elections. He regularly writes for the daily Evrensel.

1-) Member (founder-director) of 4 Alevi institutions. So, you can't really expect him to be neutral on the subject.
2-) Founder of the Alevi Bektaşi Federation, an instute that wants Diyanet to be dissolved and imams to be fired.
3-) Member of HDP political extention of PKK terrorist organization.
4-) Regularly writing for Daily Evrensel an extreme leftist piece of media.

After the author, i look at the website https://tr.boell.org/en and saw it is all about Turkey...some kind of doing anti-propaganda for Turkey..

They are even critisizing our new airport.

@padamchen

I don't now who you are and why you are posting such shıt, but if i see you to continue doing anti-Turkey propaganda here, then i will mess you up.

Firstly, the guy is a democratically elected member of parliament MP. So he has a right to talk

The HDP is not a terrorist organisation. You can check here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples'_Democratic_Party_(Turkey)

This video in your post is not anti-turkey, the tone and context is workers rights, the same would be in the UK as with the labour party or labour voters. I would say it is pro-democratic.

He said Alveism is being considered a security threat because

It is the reason why cemevis are not recognized as places of worship; it is considered to be a “red line” for some of the religious men of the state.

That seems logical because they look like normal Muslims but they aren't really Muslim in their faith. That is an acceptable premise to be 'treated differently' in a society with lots of homogeneous faith.

 

[Slav Defence]

Religious discussion better be refrained from PDF.


Thread locked.

 

[WebMaster]

@padamchen
1) dont post old news
2) dont argue about moderation in topic, create your thread in GHQ
3) report violations and not reply to violations

hope it helps.