Alcohol and freedom under secular liberalism

[livingdead]

Well, I was just pointing out some of the negative effects under influence but man is free to practice what ever.

well, everybody knows alcohol is like a poison, it destroys your liver. lots of social issues are also due to heavy alcohol consumption.

its my personal life i can ruin it destroy it or live it to the max who is the state to dictate it max state should be allowed to do is put ban on public drinking to prevent the accidents.if you don't want to consume it don't do it but don't force the ban on me.
*ps attraction is there but i don't drink.

its not big deal to drink alcohol. there is no attraction as such unless you have never drunk and are curious because of all the stories you heard. once you drink you will wonder what the big fuss is about.
I myself dont smoke, and hate the smell. Thankfully smoking is not allowed in confined place in most countries. but I think I wont like a complete smoking ban. I am against ban of smoking in pubs too, if people want to smoke, let them.
btw I have observed muslims smoke a lot. its as if they think if they avoid 'temptation' of alcohol, god will forgive them for smoking cigarettes.

 

[T-72M1]

weekend's here, just cracked open a beer

 

[Hell hound]

well, everybody knows alcohol is like a poison, it destroys your liver. lots of social issues are also due to heavy alcohol consumption.


its not big deal to drink alcohol. there is no attraction as such unless you have never drunk and are curious because of all the stories you heard. once you drink you will wonder what the big fuss is about.
I myself dont smoke, and hate the smell. Thankfully smoking is not allowed in confined place in most countries. but I think I wont like a complete smoking ban. I am against ban of smoking in pubs too, if people want to smoke, let them.
btw I have observed muslims smoke a lot. its as if they think if they avoid 'temptation' of alcohol, god will forgive them for smoking cigarettes.

problem here isn't the alcohol but its the mullahs meddling in everyone personal life and considering it their birth right.

 

[livingdead]

problem here isn't the alcohol but its the mullahs meddling in everyone personal life and considering it their birth right.

well they are everywhere, may not look like mullah, may not have beard, may not be even muslims, but want to tell you how to live your life. Thats what I love about UK, lot of personal freedom.

 

[Hell hound]

well they are everywhere, may not look like mullah, may not have beard, may not be even muslims, but want to tell you how to live your life. Thats what I love about UK, lot of personal freedom.

hate these fukers

 

[litman]

a drunken person is not doing harm to himself but to his family through his indecent vulgar behavior. a drunk driver can kill many on the road. so alcoholism doesn't affect the individual only but the society as well.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Don't you advocate for secularism in the muslim world including Pakistan? Don't you advocate for copying the western sociopolitical model? Aren't you liberals the poster boys of righteousness in the eyes of the western media and government pundits? You do not care but what you advocate for has direct disastrous consequences for millions of people.

The logical fallacy towards which you are drawing us is that the opposite is true. It is your kind of bigotry that we are fighting against in India. You will find many friends in the RSS; come right over.

At the end of the day, all religious fanatics are identical; only their covers are different.

No option for idiots over drink just like idiots over eat?


I would chose a mug of rum

I'm getting to like your style more and more every day.

Hey! What about me?

Koi Indian whiskey nai hai kai?

Yuck! Irish whiskey for me. Jameson's preferred.

i think you my friend are high on alcohol

There's some other response to alcohol?

challo fir, first round on me.

In three months' time, I hope to ....well, let's wait for three months.

 

[Anubis]

Freedom has limits and as such is arbitrary. All societies limit freedom.

Smoking is prohibited in Islam as well.



Actually bro , if you read the article its says that the doctors and health care professionals actually warned about alcohol consumption during pregnancy . The women's rights group reacted angrily saying its condescending and violation of their freedom. Due to the social climate doctors find it hard to quiz mothers about their alcohol consumption. Hence I added the option in the poll.

And who is supposed to set those limits?

 

[Falcon29]

The world is definitely moving towards more personal freedom and secularism as a way of life, and that is the way forward, as I believe. Drinking is not a big deal, if done in moderation, some people lives revolve around drinking and can affect academic performance and cause health issues, but that is their problem, we are not responsible for everybody.

With all that being said, I see some people claim Islam is not against choice of drinking alcohol. Which is simply false, Islam doesn't permit sale or consumption of alcohol, if you're following the Islam the prophet of Islam lived. With all due respect to members here, you can't make Islam something that reflects your personal worldview's. It's pretty clear on this regard. So speak in name of secular values, and promote secularism which does better for us than to attribute such thoughts/approach to Islam.

And who is supposed to set those limits?

Freedom has limitations in Abrahamic faiths, so understand the context he is coming from. From secular human perspective, of course we don't agree it should be that way.

 

[Joe Shearer]

A wonderful thread. I never realised that so many, from all countries, would rise up and denounce a rigid, exclusionary view of the world and of human beings.

 

[Zibago]

I rather have secular liberalism and all the evil that comes with it...than to have no freedom at all.

you might as well ban smoking as well

http://pakobserver.net/2016/05/31/110000-pakistanis-die-annually-from-smoking/

Ban smoking what have smokers did to deserve this :-(

hate these fukers

Burning tyres on roads during protests is ok but a person who drinks and harms himself only is a threat for this country?

 

[T-72M1]

In three months' time, I hope to ....well, let's wait for three months.

eh ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

eh ?

9:52 to 11:00 - it's not three months yet

 

[TMA]

talking about isis controlled areas because those are the ares which seams to fit your definition of islam

One has to remember that it was the secular NATO which armed these Khawarij groups.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Very biased poll. Lack of moderation is always the issue. Not alcohol itself. Excess of anything is poison. Otherwise not.