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Alarm mounts in western capitals over Turkey’s deepening ties with Russia​

Officials warn of retaliation if Ankara helps Moscow evade sanctions after Erdoğan and Putin agree to increase co-operation

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Western capitals are increasingly alarmed about the deepening economic cooperation between Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Vladimir Putin, warning of the mounting risk that the Nato member state could be hit by punitive retaliation if it helps Russia avoid sanctions.

Six western officials told the Financial Times that they were concerned about the pledge made on Friday by the Turkish and Russian leaders to expand their cooperation on trade and energy after a four-hour meeting in Sochi.

Turkish politics Alarm mountsin western capitals over Turkey’s deepening ties with Russia Officials warn of retaliation if Ankara helps Moscow evade sanctions after Erdoğan and Putin agree to increase co-operation One EU official said that the 27-member bloc was monitoring Turkish-Russian cooperation “more and more closely”, voicing concern that Turkey was “increasingly” becoming a platform for trade with Russia.

Another described Turkey’s behaviour towards Russia as “very opportunistic”, adding: “We are trying to make the Turks pay attention to our concerns.” Washington has warned repeatedly that it will hit countries that help Russia to evade sanctions with “secondary sanctions” that target violations beyond the US legal jurisdiction, however the EU has been more reticent about doing this. US deputy Treasury secretary Wally Adeyemo met Turkish officials and Istanbul bankers in June to warn them not to become a conduit for illicit Russian money.

One senior western official suggested that countries could call on their companies and banks to pull out of Turkey if Erdoğan follows through on the commitments he set out on Friday — a highly unusual threat against a fellow Nato member state that could cripple the country’s $800bn economy if foreign firms agreed to comply.

The official said nations that have imposed sanctions on Russia could act against Ankara by “calling on Western firms to either pull out of relationships in Turkey, or to shrink their relationships with Turkey, in light of the risk that would be created by Turkey expanding their relationship with Russia”. However that suggestion was dismissed by several other western officials, who questioned how it would work in practical and legal terms and whether it would be a good idea.

Turkey is deeply integrated into the western financial system and brands from CocaCola and Ford to Bosch and BP have longstanding and often highly profitable operations in the country.

“There are very significant economic interests that would probably fight hard against such negative actions,” said one European official. But the official added that he would “not rule out any negative actions [if] Turkey gets too close to Russia”.

While he conceded that a formal EU decision on sanctions against Turkey would be challenging given divisions within the bloc, he suggested that some individual member states could take action. “For example they could ask for restrictions on trade finance or ask the large financial companies to reduce finance to Turkish companies,” he said. Three European officials said that there had not yet been any official discussions in Brussels about possible repercussions for Turkey. Several others cautioned that the full details and repercussions of the discussions in Sochi were not yet clear.

The warnings come a day after Putin and Erdoğan — who has pursued what he calls a “balanced” approach to Kyiv and Moscow since the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in February — held a long tête-à-tête that culminated in a joint pledge to increase bilateral trade volumes and deepen economic and energy ties.

Deputy prime minister Alexander Novak, Moscow’s top energy official, told reporters that Turkey had agreed to begin paying for Russia’s gas in roubles, according to Interfax. Putin and Erdoğan discussed further developing banking ties and settlements in roubles and lira, he added.

Speaking on his plane back from Russia, Erdoğan told journalists that there were also “very serious developments” on the use of Russia’s MIR payment card system, which allows Russians in Turkey to pay by card at a time when Visa and Mastercard have suspended operations in their home country.

Erdoğan said that MIR cards would help Russian tourists to pay for shopping and hotels. Western officials fear that they could also be used to help bypass sanctions.

Diplomatic relations between Turkey and the west are already strained. Washington hit Ankara with sanctions in 2020 in retaliation for the purchase of an S-400 air defence system from Moscow, although the measures targeted the country’s defence industry rather than the broader economy.

Erdoğan, who has repeatedly threatened to veto Sweden’s and Finland’s admission into Nato, is viewed in many western capitals as an increasingly unreliable ally. Yet Turkey is a vital partner for Europe on counter terrorism and refugees. The country hosts around 3.7mn Syrians as part of a deal struck with the EU in 2016 that helped to stem the flow of migrants to Europe.


The conflict between Russia and Ukraine has underlined Turkey’s strategically important location, controlling access to the straits that link the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. Erdoğan also played a key role in securing the grain deal signed by Russia and Ukraine last month that aimed to avert a global food crisis.

 
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I suppose the rich Russians will buy properties in Turkey. thus helping the sector and propelling econ-mi
 
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I'm waiting for Erdogan to say "We're buying Su-35s"
IMHO It’s no longer beneficial for the Turks to buy whole systems. Particularly because of CAATSA but Also because some of the sub-systems of Russian products are falling behind even European defense products, much less Chinese and American.

Turkey may have to pay a little more, but they are better off buying sub-systems and components like engines. Russia doesn’t want to be wholly dependent on China, so deals for co-development of the Izdeliye 30 (for the T-FX) maybe possible if Rolls-Royce drops out of developing an engine with the Turks.
 
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I suppose the rich Russians will buy properties in Turkey. thus helping the sector and propelling econ-mi
Housing sales to foreigners break new records every month. The weight passing from Arabs to Russians and Ukrainians.

Russian gas will go to Europe via Turkiye. Likewise, European companies, especially Italy, use Turkiye in trade with Russia. Recently, an Italian journalist shared a detailed analysis on this issue. Turkiye's exports to Russia increased by 50% in 1 year. TR will be a bridge between Russia and Europe.
 
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I think it is only a matter of time before more military and economic sanctions are triggered on Turkey. Perhaps the situation will be saved by the upcoming Turkish elections, but the dictator will hardly give up his....throne.
Erdogan' regime will find new....domestic terrorists, set up a new war, he will fight some enemy again.
 
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I think it is only a matter of time before more military and economic sanctions are triggered on Turkey. Perhaps the situation will be saved by the upcoming Turkish elections, but the dictator will hardly give up his....throne.
Erdogan' regime will find new....domestic terrorists, set up a new war, he will fight some enemy again.

This is more like the description of the Greek's US puppet Mitsotakis regime.

It is very funny that you wanna create a perception over Turkiye with imaginary accusations while all your party leaders, NGOs and journalists are being followed and illegally listened by the intelligence agency to see if they are collaborating with the enemy, with the service provided by the company of a relative of the prime minister.


It looks like your press organizations are trying to raise anti-Turkish populism in order to change the agenda.
 
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This is more like the description of the Greek's US puppet Mitsotakis regime.

It is very funny that you wanna create a perception over Turkiye with imaginary accusations while all your party leaders, NGOs and journalists are being followed and illegally listened by the intelligence agency to see if they are collaborating with the enemy, with the service provided by the company of a relative of the prime minister.

It looks like your press organizations are trying to raise anti-Turkish populism in order to change the agenda.
How come you don't see that? Every time Erdogan doesn't like someone,he accuses him/her of being FETO. He blames the Kurds,the Greeks,he says the Westerners are undermining Turkey's economy,he launches military expeditions in Syria to "protect Turkey and save the Turkmens".

It's funny that you talk about our government as using this tactic,when AKP's been doing that for years and it has become part of Turkish mentality now. What's that? FETO. Who's that? PKK. Why do we do that? To save Libyans. Why is the lira down? Because of foreign interests.

Meanwhile,Erdogan can't decide (he actually doesn't want to decide) if he wants to be a real NATO ally or a Russian ally. He can't decide if he wants to get Turkey in EU or doesn't. On one hand he complains about NATO and on the other he becomes friends with Putin again.
 
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How come you don't see that? Every time Erdogan doesn't like someone,he accuses him/her of being FETO. He blames the Kurds,the Greeks,he says the Westerners are undermining Turkey's economy,he launches military expeditions in Syria to "protect Turkey and save the Turkmens".

It's funny that you talk about our government as using this tactic,when AKP's been doing that for years and it has become part of Turkish mentality now. What's that? FETO. Who's that? PKK. Why do we do that? To save Libyans. Why is the lira down? Because of foreign interests.

Meanwhile,Erdogan can't decide (he actually doesn't want to decide) if he wants to be a real NATO ally or a Russian ally. He can't decide if he wants to get Turkey in EU or doesn't. On one hand he complains about NATO and on the other he becomes friends with Putin again.
No, the FETO scheme and mechanisms in the country are clear. They have penetrated all the organs of the state since the 1970s, and even during the period when the AKP was cherished by Europe, this party also engaged in great betrayals that would pave the way for these terrorists.

We got rid of the NATO gladio, and we're still cleaning up its remnants. We need a few more years. I sincerely wish the same for Greece.
 
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Housing sales to foreigners break new records every month. The weight passing from Arabs to Russians and Ukrainians.

Russian gas will go to Europe via Turkiye. Likewise, European companies, especially Italy, use Turkiye in trade with Russia. Recently, an Italian journalist shared a detailed analysis on this issue. Turkiye's exports to Russia increased by 50% in 1 year. TR will be a bridge between Russia and Europe.

I recently bought a house in Turkey. They are indeed selling like hotcakes.

@Foinikas I bought a house in Izmir. 😁

Alarm mounts in western capitals over Turkey’s deepening ties with Russia​

Officials warn of retaliation if Ankara helps Moscow evade sanctions after Erdoğan and Putin agree to increase co-operation

https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F5c5cdaca-ed7a-4e28-b99f-f56922a74c9f.jpg


Western capitals are increasingly alarmed about the deepening economic cooperation between Turkey’s president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Vladimir Putin, warning of the mounting risk that the Nato member state could be hit by punitive retaliation if it helps Russia avoid sanctions.

Six western officials told the Financial Times that they were concerned about the pledge made on Friday by the Turkish and Russian leaders to expand their cooperation on trade and energy after a four-hour meeting in Sochi.

Turkish politics Alarm mountsin western capitals over Turkey’s deepening ties with Russia Officials warn of retaliation if Ankara helps Moscow evade sanctions after Erdoğan and Putin agree to increase co-operation One EU official said that the 27-member bloc was monitoring Turkish-Russian cooperation “more and more closely”, voicing concern that Turkey was “increasingly” becoming a platform for trade with Russia.

Another described Turkey’s behaviour towards Russia as “very opportunistic”, adding: “We are trying to make the Turks pay attention to our concerns.” Washington has warned repeatedly that it will hit countries that help Russia to evade sanctions with “secondary sanctions” that target violations beyond the US legal jurisdiction, however the EU has been more reticent about doing this. US deputy Treasury secretary Wally Adeyemo met Turkish officials and Istanbul bankers in June to warn them not to become a conduit for illicit Russian money.

One senior western official suggested that countries could call on their companies and banks to pull out of Turkey if Erdoğan follows through on the commitments he set out on Friday — a highly unusual threat against a fellow Nato member state that could cripple the country’s $800bn economy if foreign firms agreed to comply.

The official said nations that have imposed sanctions on Russia could act against Ankara by “calling on Western firms to either pull out of relationships in Turkey, or to shrink their relationships with Turkey, in light of the risk that would be created by Turkey expanding their relationship with Russia”. However that suggestion was dismissed by several other western officials, who questioned how it would work in practical and legal terms and whether it would be a good idea.

Turkey is deeply integrated into the western financial system and brands from CocaCola and Ford to Bosch and BP have longstanding and often highly profitable operations in the country.

“There are very significant economic interests that would probably fight hard against such negative actions,” said one European official. But the official added that he would “not rule out any negative actions [if] Turkey gets too close to Russia”.

While he conceded that a formal EU decision on sanctions against Turkey would be challenging given divisions within the bloc, he suggested that some individual member states could take action. “For example they could ask for restrictions on trade finance or ask the large financial companies to reduce finance to Turkish companies,” he said. Three European officials said that there had not yet been any official discussions in Brussels about possible repercussions for Turkey. Several others cautioned that the full details and repercussions of the discussions in Sochi were not yet clear.

The warnings come a day after Putin and Erdoğan — who has pursued what he calls a “balanced” approach to Kyiv and Moscow since the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in February — held a long tête-à-tête that culminated in a joint pledge to increase bilateral trade volumes and deepen economic and energy ties.

Deputy prime minister Alexander Novak, Moscow’s top energy official, told reporters that Turkey had agreed to begin paying for Russia’s gas in roubles, according to Interfax. Putin and Erdoğan discussed further developing banking ties and settlements in roubles and lira, he added.

Speaking on his plane back from Russia, Erdoğan told journalists that there were also “very serious developments” on the use of Russia’s MIR payment card system, which allows Russians in Turkey to pay by card at a time when Visa and Mastercard have suspended operations in their home country.

Erdoğan said that MIR cards would help Russian tourists to pay for shopping and hotels. Western officials fear that they could also be used to help bypass sanctions.

Diplomatic relations between Turkey and the west are already strained. Washington hit Ankara with sanctions in 2020 in retaliation for the purchase of an S-400 air defence system from Moscow, although the measures targeted the country’s defence industry rather than the broader economy.

Erdoğan, who has repeatedly threatened to veto Sweden’s and Finland’s admission into Nato, is viewed in many western capitals as an increasingly unreliable ally. Yet Turkey is a vital partner for Europe on counter terrorism and refugees. The country hosts around 3.7mn Syrians as part of a deal struck with the EU in 2016 that helped to stem the flow of migrants to Europe.


The conflict between Russia and Ukraine has underlined Turkey’s strategically important location, controlling access to the straits that link the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. Erdoğan also played a key role in securing the grain deal signed by Russia and Ukraine last month that aimed to avert a global food crisis.


LOL This headline didn't take long at all. Initially NATO was praising Turkey for playing a mediating role. That has changed quickly to Turkey Russia relations strengthening.
 
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@Dalit that's interesting! I was thinking of doing the same?

How much was it? Did you also get the Turkish citizenship with the purchase?

Are you renting it out whist you are not in Turkey?
 
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Western capital's have not respected Turkeys strategic interests nor it's security and defence


They have asked a lot from Turkey and expected Turkey to bend to secure Europe and western interests but they have never really supported Turkey against Kurdish terrorists or regional enemies or respected Turkeys strategic planning

They have infact constantly kept Turkey at arm's length and often the stench of racism has been hard to hide


Turkey is looking after itself, and its own strategic interests come first,
 
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I am also going to join Turkish army to defend Imzir against Greek incursion. I hope you don't mind. 😁

@Dalit that's interesting! I was thinking of doing the same?

How much was it? Did you also get the Turkish citizenship with the purchase?

Are you renting it out whist you are not in Turkey?

I was lucky. Got it through a trusted friend who himself is from Izmir and worked for many years in the construction business. Price was also very favorable. I bought it in February this year when the prices were very reasonable. 50k euros is nothing for a modern appartment (150 square metres). Prices have skyrocketed now. The appartment has also doubled since February in value. You can get Turkish citizenship, but there are conditions.

I am not renting it out. Keeping it for family.

I would wait a little while if I were you before prices get a little normal again.
 
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I am also going to join Turkish army to defend Imzir against Greek incursion. I hope you don't mind.
Sure,just watch it,because the incursion might not be Greek at all,but American,French,even Russian ;)
 
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