Dungeness
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You expect Turkey to purchase weapons from Russia with whom they had frequent run ins of late ?
Case 2 in Point: J-11B vs Su-27sk
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You expect Turkey to purchase weapons from Russia with whom they had frequent run ins of late ?
China is way ahead now they already have YJ-12 ARM with 400km range operational and they had some role in development of S-400 so they had no issues in neutralizing it.
Russia has been pushing S-400 sale to China before India.
Sold: Russian S-400 Missile Defense Systems to China | The Diplomat
S-400 can make problems for Pakistan but that is not impossible to counter specially when we have friends like China and Turkey.
Russia needs China more than Russia needs India. China can simply ask Russia not to sell them this system.
Case in point: HQ-9 vs S-300 cheaper and better, that is why it wins the Turkey bid.
Sir.... S-400 battery can't shoot down S-400... Yes It can protect against Indian Jets and Missiles and so do our S-400 against Chinese Jets and Missiles(if ever we buy them) so threat still exists for both countries.. yes as for Pakistan.. how you're going to fund them??? The Interceptors costs are 5 times the costs of the missiles... its the very reason Pakistan didn't fund for a BMD system s for and increased the Nuclear missiles.
Really then why havn't they stopped us buying MKI, Nuc Sub, FGFA and a F'king Carrier??? the fact is Russia Doesn't give a f about China... The recent Russian Chinese relation improvments was because of the Russian economy crisis.. LoL India buys more weapons from Russia than China... do you realy think Russia will throw away everything??? You pakistanis are so funny.. just a month ago you people were ssaying time for Russia to drop India and look into Pakistan.... Are you Serious what can Pakistan Provide???
Cheaper Yes... Better?????
alarm bells? im pretty sure given the ties between india and russia, china would have known ages ago that eventually india will probably get its hands on the s-400. meaning this isnt news to china what so ever.
Knowing the ability of the opponents and having the ability to counter the same are two separate things.
China knows S-400 system which means they can counter them. Pakistan needs to get YJ-12 ARM with 400 km range in numbers with capable jet to carry them to handle any SAM threat from IA, IAF & IN.
but knowing the potential ability earlier on allows one to start working on a counter earlier as well.
Cheaper Yes... Better?????
True. I was only responding to you down playing the significance of this deal, if and when it may happen.
But who will carry YJ12 ARM in PAF? It is a very heavy missile I think.
Here where Pakistan need Su-35 or J-11 D or higher series because they can perform variety of missions without escort.
J11D is the best option for PAF. AESA radar, Chinese engine, better EW, more hardpoints etc. But I am confused that whether PAF would go for 4.5 gen heavy fighter like J11D or would rather wait for 5th gen fighter from China.
make sure it is made in Japan or S.Korea. Market is flooded with trashy made in China junk that keeps time once a day!
BTW this is a strange pattern: everytime Modi takes of to some country India buys something from that country!