Al-Khalid, Type 98, and T-90 Dominate World Tank Market

[xinhui]

Al-Khalid, Type 98, and T-90 Dominate World Tank Market


Simply put, the full production rate of 150 Type 98 will not be enough for the home market by itself and China does have a STATED requirement for a fleet of 1500. Unless China willing to open up a second tank production line, you will not see any export example in a foreign service any time soon. (the same goes to Z-8 choppers) With this fact alone, Type 98 will NOT be in the world market.

The match is simply, to bring both Praetorian Guards up to strength, it has a requirement at lease 1000 modern tanks 300 for the 6th armor, 100 each for 112th and 113th
40 for 7th "blue army" armor brigade, 100 each for 115th, 116th, 190th divions, and 300 for 3rd armor.

 

[xinhui]

so,................what is the production rate of Al-Khalid?

 

[JK!]

Around 600 Al Khalids are believed to be in service at the moment bearing in mind there is also the program to upgrade Type 59 MBTs to Al Zarar standard.

 

[Shoaib_Sham]

Who cares if we designed or how much Pakistani contribution is to Al-Khalid and Thunder. At the end of the day we will sell the Thunder to many countries and half the money will go to us, and now this article is making the same prediction about the Al-Khalid. India's Arjun is not even yet adoped by the IA let alone other armies of the world.

Money = success
No money = failure

I know its offtopic question but i am very tempted to ask that which countries have really signed to buy JF-17 thunder

I hope ever vigilant will spare this offtopic post.

 

[Al Shaheen]

Good evening all,

Does anyone here have any further information concerning the earlier reports linking Saudi Arabia with a Al Khalid purchase?

I recall reading earlier this year that the RSLF was considering Al Khalid as a replacement for their AMX-30s. I haven't heard much since mind.

Grateful for any further info.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Good evening all,

Does anyone here have any further information concerning the earlier reports linking Saudi Arabia with a Al Khalid purchase?

I recall reading earlier this year that the RSLF was considering Al Khalid as a replacement for their AMX-30s. I haven't heard much since mind.

Grateful for any further info.

Rest assured Saudi Arabia will not buy Al Khalid in any numbers ever.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Around 600 Al Khalids are believed to be in service at the moment bearing in mind there is also the program to upgrade Type 59 MBTs to Al Zarar standard.

These have all been upgraded.

 

[Al Shaheen]

Rest assured Saudi Arabia will not buy Al Khalid in any numbers ever.

Kharian, I would be grateful if you could expand on that.

I must admit, since the initial reports little else has been forthcoming regarding Saudi and the Al Khalid. This is why I asked the question here.

The RSLF has intensified its efforts to make the M1-A2S its primary MBT, despite the long-running problems it has had introducing Abrams. I would agree with the view that introducing a 125mm-armed MBT like Al Khalid would further stretch the logistical capabilities of the NATO-centric Saudi ground forces.

Saying that however, rumours persist that Saudi is also interested in T-90. But I fear that deal may have more to do with politics than actual need.

 

[fatman17]

HEADLINE NEWS PAKISTAN MAY BUY 300 BRITISH ARMY TANKS

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY

DATE: 13-Mar-1993
EDITION: 1993
VOLUME/ISSUE: 019/011

BY CHRISTOPHER F FOSS

Pakistan is considering buying up to 300 ex-British Army Chieftain
main battle tanks (MBTs), according to Pakistan's Defence Minister
Syed Ghaus Ali Shah.
It is also looking at acquiring ex-Royal Navy Type 21 frigates (JDW 23
January).
The size of the British Army's Royal Armoured Corps is being reduced
under the 'Options for change' review. By the late 1990s it will
have 127 challenger 2 MBTs and 420 older Challenger 1s.
Up to 800 Chieftain tanks will be phased out, apart from some
specialized versions such as armoured recovery vehicles, armoured
vehicle launched bridges and the Armoured Vehicle Royal Engineer.
Pakistan's fleet of MBTs consists mainly of Chinese-supplied
vehicles. An earlier deal to purchase up to 320 new Polish T-72M1
MBTs worth about $450 million has not been signed (JDW 16 January).
JDW understands that a UK industrial consortium headed by Marconi
Radar and control Systems of Leicester is offering Pakistan a major
upgrade package which could extend the operational life of the
Chieftain MBTs into the next century.

The Chieftains, with the Stillbrew passive armour system, would be
delivered to Pakistan and fitted with the Marconi Radar and Control
Systems Centaur computerized fire control system, which has already
been tested on a Chieftain.
The L60 engine will be replaced by a Perkins (Engines) Shrewsbury
V-12 Condor engine developing 800 hp; this version is used in the
Challenger 1, Challenger 2 and Jordanian Khalid MBTs rated at 1200
hp. The Condor, rated at 800 hp; has already been trialled in a
Chieftain coupled to a TN12 transmission.
The current Royal Ordnance 120 mm L11 rifled tank gun would be
retained, but could be replaced later with one firing more modern
ammunition.
The Chieftains' Barr and Stroud TOGS (Thermal Observation and Gunnery
Sights) would be removed for another British Army application and
replaced with a Marconi thermal imaging system. The Chieftains
could be further upgraded later as funding allows.
Conversion work would be done at the Heavy Defence Industries (HDI)
facility at Taxila. Initial components for the upgrade would come
from the UK, but some systems could later be manufactured in
Pakistan.
Transfer of technology is "a major criterion" in any deal, according
to Syed Ghaus Ali Shah. Pakistan is reported to be interested in
manufacturing rather than in offset programmes. The ex-UK Chieftains
would be a low-cost option.

I WONDER WHY THIS DEAL FELL THROUGH?

 

[fatman17]

HEADLINE NEWS PAKISTAN PLANS $450M POLISH T-72 BUY

JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY

DATE: 16-Jan-1993
EDITION: 1993
VOLUME/ISSUE: 019/003

BY MUSHAHID HUSSAIN


Pakistan will buy 320 T-72M1 tanks from Poland in a deal worth $450
million. The sale marks the first major acquisition of East European
weaponry by Pakistan.

The deal was finalized during a recent visit to Poland by a high-level
Pakistan military delegation headed by Chief of Army Staff
General Asif Nawaz.

A formal contract will be signed later this month when a Polish
delegation visits Pakistan.

Pakistan has been forced to look for new sources for military
equipment since September 1990 when the United States suspended
military assistance due to concerns that Islambad is developing
nuclear weapons.

Industry sources told JDW that Pakistan considered three options: the
purchase of T-72s from Poland or Slovakia or Yugoslavian-built T-72s,
designated M-84, from Kuwait. Although the Kuwaiti M-84s were
delivered in 1990-91 Kuwait decided to standardize its fleet on the
US-built M1A2 with an order for 236 tanks placed in September 1992.

The Pakistan Army's tank fleet consists of 1950s and 1960s vintage
types: 40/50 T-54/T-55 MBTs, 150 M47Ms, 345 M48A5s and 1200 Type 59s.

The 3800-strong Indian Army tank force includes some 900 T-72/T-72
M1s and the type has been produced in India since 1987.

Pakistan's state-owned Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) is undertaking a
four phase tank modernization and production programme with the
assistance of China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO). HIT is
upgrading the army's Type 59s, assembling/manufacturing the type 69
IIp and co-producing/manufacturing the Type 85.

The fourth phase is development of the MBT-2000 using new components
and components from the early chinese-designed tanks later this
year. Production is planned to begin this year.

Poland has also developed a specialized armoured recovery vehicle
called the WZT-3 which has been manufactured for the Indian and
Polish armies.

An engineer vehicle based on the WZT-3 has been developed to the
prototype stage, as has an armoured vehicle-launched scissors bridge.
Poland is also offering two types of explosive reactive armour for
the T-72M1 series, but so far these have yet to enter production
although development has been completed.

AND THIS ONE!

 

[Black Stone]

The Type 98 is really the top dominating tank in the mark. It is the TYPE 99 (world's most advanced tank) that is going to dominate in the tank market.

The Type 98 is not in production in China.

Let me correct you, the Type-99 is China's most advanced tank, not the world's. I don't know how you come up with this conclusion but I am sure that I would like to know.

 

[lamdafriend]

al khalid and thunder will surely give pak defence market a boost.
but you cannot call arjun a failure.it is good,agile,and provides good protectionfor its crew(kanchan armour)

al khalid will be the frontline TANK FOR many pak friendly nations and 3rd world nations.any way both have done a good job

 

[Super Falcon]

Al kahlid is rock for me it is pride of the nation hope we also aquire T 80s also too