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Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

Altay has been procured by KSA at $5.5m a piece, sure it still needs time to complete trials.

Whats the AK resolution for video input in thermal imaging range? 1080p, 720p or lower?

There is no confirmation o the Saudi purchase of altay .. Credible sources only reported Saudi interest in altay and anka(which also has Pak developed parts)..

Here is an ol pic ... Courtesy of @Manticore :
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There is no confirmation o the Saudi purchase of altay .. Credible sources only reported Saudi interest in altay and anka(which also has Pak developed parts)..

Here is an ol pic ... Courtesy of @Manticore :
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the above is from an image intensification sight, below is from a thermal imager (catherine FC, operational on T-80ud, type-85IIAP, AKs ) ;)

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AK night sights, image intensifier on right, thermal imager on left..


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It is really unfortunate that nothing materialized afterwards. More due to the Saudi Arabia's love for the US/EU machines then any short coming on Al Khalid's part.

Their requirement was for a heavy tank. AK doesnt fall in that category plus AK doesnt have just as much protection.[/quote]
most of the requirements put forward by the Saudi officials were met and would have been incorporated in the version delivered to them. Anyways, it is gone now and if there is any thing developing between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia now it is good for both.
 

This is some info I had found on the net in the past- As members were discussing this stuff these days, Ive brought it to your attention
@al-Hasani @Yzd Khalifa @Arabian Legend[/quote]

I have a question if peru didnt bought AK does it mean it can't hit the Leopard 2a6 at 2800 meters ?
 
Lets not all get sheepish in a wave of patriotism. The AK is a fine tank but it is NOT the best in the world. Against contemporary western tanks the AK is able to hold its own, but is not the prime combination of systems, armour, weapons and crew comfort/intuitive that money can buy.. and the Arabs like blowing money in competition with each other(offence nit explicitly or implicitly meant but no hoots given if taken).. After all, other GCC nations have them.. do they not?
 
This is some info I had found on the net in the past- As members were discussing this stuff these days, Ive brought it to your attention
@al-Hasani @Yzd Khalifa @Arabian Legend

I have a question if peru didnt bought AK does it mean it can't hit the Leopard 2a6 at 2800 meters ?

Not true, the mbt 2000/ vt1a has a good FCS, with zpt-98 gun which has an effective range of 4000 meters for a tank sze target.
 
Regarding Peruvian trials, @Manticore posted this few pages ago, ukraine pitted oplots for tender, refused 6td engines for vt-1a. By the time China worked on mbt-3000, russians had the deal with t-90S


Chris BV..

The composite armor of the MBT-2000 is not Chinese, was / is developed by Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) of Pakistan, which appears to be quite competent in this field, because as reported Jane's, after numerous tests real fire, it was found that modular packages developed for shielding the turret and the hull of the tank were successfully withstand 120 and 125mm ammunition of all kinds.

It would be nice to substantiate their claims technically. In what ways do you argue that is "lower"? Regarding mobility, both tanks can reach a top speed similar both in forward (72km / h for the Leopard 2A4, 70 for the MBT-2000) and backward (32km / h for the German tank, 35 for the Sino-Pakistani). Its power to weight ratio is similar (27hp / t vs. 26.08hp / t), as well as the scope of road (400-500km). Both models can overcome trenches of similar size (2.70-3.00m), similar vertical obstacles (1.1m vs. 0.85m) side can negotiate gradients up to 60% and circumvent pending between 30 and 40%. control systems shooting and marksmanship are comparable, even in the most basic version of the MBT-2000: the look of the head of the Leopard 2 can scan through 360 ° and has optical magnification levels (x2 and x8) similar to the MBT-2000 (x7.5 ).

The gunner, in the case of the Leopard 2, has an optical magnification of x12, while the MBT-2000 Dual x3 and x10. In both cases, the views of both the gunner and the head are fully stabilized in two axes and the gunner, in both models, channels have day, night and thermal and laser rangefinder built. Even the "humble" and "Third World" FCS (totally westernized) copies of MBT-2000 that came to Peru with the thermal camera that brought Chinese factory farting, I was able to autotracking and hunter-killer mode. And since the tank, even in its most austere, included in the series present refinements Leopard 2 tanks and other contemporaries, such as modular composite armor, NBC protection system and smokeless pots launchers automatically activated, associated with a laser warning system (LWS). APFSDS ammunition at the time requested by Peru to be fired from 125mm Chinese cane the MBT-2000 is the best currently offered by the Republic of China, comparable to that available for the Leopard 2 by Rheinmetall. The ballistic properties of this ammunition were checked in situ by observers Peruvians live fire tests.

So do not get to understand how holding the MBT-2000 assessed the Peruvian Army is "inferior in every way" to Leopard 2. Therefore, it appears that they are fairly equivalent. And after the assessment made ​​by the EP is clear that the development of this tank continues and has included a number of improvements to be maintained at a level competitive with the latest developments in this and other models. As mentioned previously, 55 % component tank new items purchased outside China - including the fire control system, autoloader, system electro-hydraulic control of the turret, engine, transmission, thermal camera, among others - to countries that have participated and continue to participate in the development of this tank as Ukraine, Belarus, France, UK, etc.. defense industries which are more than competent. Pakistan itself, Third, and groncho probrete sees it maintains a significant level of their heavy industries with facilities equipped with precision tools and production lines for the manufacture of tanks, as well as for the development of compounds capable shields to address current and future threats.


Pakistan has a very competent defense industry - what can not be said for its neighbor, India - thanks to its strategic partnerships with countries such as Ukraine and the Republic of China, in the field of development and manufacture of armor has got good amount of successes, such as the licensed production of the Type 69-II tanks and NORINCO Type 85II AP and U.S. M113 APCs, and the development of special steels for the manufacture of guns and, as mentioned previously, shields compounds. MBT-2000 The original version still export only retains 45% of existing legacy components of Chinese-made vehicles, all the rest are foreign components integrated into the tank: the powerpack, as we know, is Ukrainian, as well as the autoloader, the FCS (westernized) is Eastern European (I think that Belarus), thermal camera in later models is European, etc.. and can be integrated upon request components - the EP, for example, did not want to manually Ukrainian transmission but an automatic French - also has built an efficient climate control system that allows the tank to operate at temperatures up to 55 ° C environments saturated with dust and / or fine sand particles. 's MBT-2000 and has a client export - Bangladesh, who asked medidados 2011 a batch of 44 tanks and 3 vehicles recyclers - and has been successfully assimilated by the Pakistani Army itself.
 
Not true, the mbt 2000/ vt1a has a good FCS, with zpt-98 gun which has an effective range of 4000 meters for a tank sze target.
Al khalid has 6-7km range effective. According to my lil knowledge AK is better than mbt 3000, 2000 and vt1A Because it has Pakistani designation of armour and systems.
 
Al khalid has 6-7km range effective. According to my lil knowledge AK is better than mbt 3000, 2000 and vt1A Because it has Pakistani designation of armour and systems.

The tank should be able to see upto that range, but while firing, aiming at any specific spot is futile (shot is off by a few meters), and penetration is reduced enough to make high-quality APFSDS rounds ineffective against strong armour of modern tanks. Really, though, just because Al-Khalid has Pakistani armour and systems doesn't make it better.

Relying on your own armour and systems can prove invaluable in times of war, though. :coffee:
 
The tank should be able to see upto that range, but while firing, aiming at any specific spot is futile (shot is off by a few meters), and penetration is reduced enough to make high-quality APFSDS rounds ineffective against strong armour of modern tanks. Really, though, just because Al-Khalid has Pakistani armour and systems doesn't make it better.

Relying on your own armour and systems can prove invaluable in times of war, though. :coffee:
Im saying on the basis that The Armour for mbt 2000 of pakistani origin is better than the original mbt 2000 chinese armour. Which withstand all known modern tank rounds.

Im saying on the basis that The Armour for mbt 2000 of pakistani origin is better than the original mbt 2000 chinese armour. Which withstand all known modern tank rounds.
furthermore apfsds round are kinetic so greater the distance greater energy possessed to counter any target. Only heat and explosive type rounds lack long range power.
 
@alimobin memon and @Keshav Murali

both of you are correct,

The gun (both 120mm and 125mm) can fire at much longer distances, somewhere around 7-8km or more but the limiting factor is the FCS and optics, remember these two can recognize/ identify the target at lesser ranges.
 
@alimobin memon and @Keshav Murali

both of you are correct,

The gun (both 120mm and 125mm) can fire at much longer distances, somewhere around 7-8km or more but the limiting factor is the FCS and optics, remember these two can recognize/ identify the target at lesser ranges.

What I mean to say is, at a range like that, the round would have slowed down by upto 300 m/s, not drastic, but it reduces penetration by more than a bit.

Im saying on the basis that The Armour for mbt 2000 of pakistani origin is better than the original mbt 2000 chinese armour. Which withstand all known modern tank rounds.

This has been said before. The best 120 and 125 mm rounds available for Pakistani and Chinese testing would be:

120 mm: At best, KEW-A1 (from the middle-east, Pakistan could have gotten it)
125 mm: At best, 3BM44M or similar rounds.

Both of which are not upto the NATO standard, say DM-53, M829A2 and above.

Unless Pakistan or China gets hold of a Rheinmetall-120 and DM-53 or something, somehow, we cannot say that the armour can withstand all known modern tank rounds. :-)
 
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