Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[Armstrong]

China already had a tank called Type 96, Pakistan was intrested in that tank,but wanted different systems and engine as the chinese ones didn't satisfy the need of PA. Thus came Al-Khalid, a tank "based" on Type-96/MBT-2000. PA participated in the development of Al-khalid and every system installed inside the tank was as per PA requirment. Our contribution ended right there.

The tank that china is selling it to BA is the same Type 96, but the systems will be chinese, OR as per Bangladesh army requirment.

So to answer your question
No, Pakistan wont be getting any share.

So are you saying that the Al-Khalid is little more than a licensed production of a cross between an MBT-2000 and a Type 96 ? Did we not contribute anything significant in the development phase besides what should go where !

 

[farhan_9909]

So are you saying that the Al-Khalid is little more than a licensed production of a cross between an MBT-2000 and a Type 96 ? Did we not contribute anything significant in the development phase besides what should go where !

Go through the same thread and you will knw the contribution of HIT and specially the requirement of PA and their extensive tests.

All the chineese tanks(EXCEPT THE LATEST HEAVIER TYPE99A2) ARE BASED ON soviet legacy design of being lighter,heavy firepower and mobility

AK is absed on soviet legacy as well

bt the AKII would be something totally indegenous to Pakistan.with indegenous design.medium weight.heavy fire power and mobility

As per NAbil
the Ak2 will have everything indegenous including FCS,APs,armour and other thing.though the engine will be ukrainian 6td-3 1500 BHP.

expected entry in 2014-15-16

 

[razgriz19]

So are you saying that the Al-Khalid is little more than a licensed production of a cross between an MBT-2000 and a Type 96 ? Did we not contribute anything significant in the development phase besides what should go where !

well not precisely. since almost all the equipment had to be replace by the new one, the tank needed many modifications (designing process). PA contributed by sending engineering teams to china to help re-design the tank. And PA also created facilities in HIT so that production can begun in Pakistan.
PA engineers were involved in every step of the development, main reason was we invested a lot of money into this project. And the only way we could build this thing on our own was only possible if we knew the tank inside out. So the teams had to be there throughout the R&D process!

And because of the experience gained by this project, we were able to upgrade older type 59s or so on to Al-Zarrar on our own!

 

[Desert Fox]

China already had a tank called Type 96, Pakistan was intrested in that tank,but wanted different systems and engine as the chinese ones didn't satisfy the need of PA. Thus came Al-Khalid, a tank "based" on Type-96/MBT-2000. PA participated in the development of Al-khalid and every system installed inside the tank was as per PA requirment. Our contribution ended right there.

I thought AK was "based" on Type-90II MBT-2000.

 

[Dazzler]

well not precisely. since almost all the equipment had to be replace by the new one, the tank needed many modifications (designing process). PA contributed by sending engineering teams to china to help re-design the tank. And PA also created facilities in HIT so that production can begun in Pakistan.
PA engineers were involved in every step of the development, main reason was we invested a lot of money into this project. And the only way we could build this thing on our own was only possible if we knew the tank inside out. So the teams had to be there throughout the R&D process!

And because of the experience gained by this project, we were able to upgrade older type 59s or so on to Al-Zarrar on our own!

Type 96 has nothing to do with Type 90 because it is a further modification of the second generation type 85, whereas, type 90 was the first third generation platform designed initially by China and during 87-90, pakistan stepped in with their own requirements for the next gen MBT to be used by Pak Army. The same Type 90 also formed the basis of Chinese third generation designs like type 98 and 99s. This gave birth to the Type 90 MBT which was further modified into Type 90-2 and then Type 90-2M, which, after four prototypes, developed for Pak Army evaluation and export, became AlKhalid MBT. No matter how much modifications the Type 96A, B, G may have seen, it is still a second generation MBT having the flaws and strengths of its root MBT i.e. Type-85. We already have Type-85IIAP or Type-85III in service for 20+ years which we also manufactured locally until the requirements fulfilled.

 

[Manticore]

please go through the first page of this thread ... and ask questions after reading all the qoutes .. hopefully most of the questions would end up being answered

via nabil
Second generation evolved into........
1. type-85> 85II> 85 III (85IIAP)> t-88> 88C> Type 96, finally 96G...

2. Third generation began from Type-90> 90II> 90IIM> MBT2000. What is needed to understand here is, Type 90 is a third gen mbt that has off springs in shape of mbt 2000, AK, type 98, 99, 99A, 99G etc. Now type 96 is still a second gen tank that is heavily revamped version of baseline type 85-II, III and eventually ended up as the most advanced SECOND Generation Chinese MBT type 96G.

 

[razgriz19]

Type 96 has nothing to do with Type 90 because it is a further modification of the second generation type 85, whereas, type 90 was the first third generation platform designed initially by China and during 87-90, pakistan stepped in with their own requirements for the next gen MBT to be used by Pak Army. The same Type 90 also formed the basis of Chinese third generation designs like type 98 and 99s. This gave birth to the Type 90 MBT which was further modified into Type 90-2 and then Type 90-2M, which, after four prototypes, developed for Pak Army evaluation and export, became AlKhalid MBT. No matter how much modifications the Type 96A, B, G may have seen, it is still a second generation MBT having the flaws and strengths of its root MBT i.e. Type-85. We already have Type-85IIAP or Type-85III in service for 20+ years which we also manufactured locally until the requirements fulfilled.

Thanks for clearifying that up!
but the only reason i said type 96 was because the outer shell of the tank looks very similar to Al-Khalid. I did not say anything about the systems though. I Know everything Inside Al-khalid is tailored to PA's requirment.

 

[Wright]

Is this tank in the same class as Russia's T90?

 

[Dazzler]

Is this tank in the same class as Russia's T90?

read the thread from 1st page

 

[Zarvan]

hmmmm.yes they belond to same class..even weight almost the same

bt the latest Ak1 is on par with the latest variant of t-90(MS).

Ak1 is far better than the t-90 bhisma with india(1000Hp engine and inferior to the latest t-90)

Ak1 has a bustle autoloader like the Oplot of ukraine..so it can fire long rod penetrator..which is in t-90 case

Does some one has new information of AK 2 or some pictures or related Stuff ?

 

[asad71]

We now know BA is mounting the remote controlled NATO calibre 12.7x99 mm .50 cal HMG on the turret. Russian HMGs were not selected. These HMGs are being manufactured locally at BOF (BD Ordnance Factory).

 

[Dazzler]

good news for BD armed forces, MBT 2000 is always a better option than any type-96 variant, no matter how much modified it is. 96xxx is ideal for a 2nd tier mbt, but not as a front line one.

 

[ironman]

good news for BD armed forces, MBT 2000 is always a better option than any type-96 variant, no matter how much modified it is. 96xxx is ideal for a 2nd tier mbt, but not as a front line one.

What if Type-96 can accomadate all new generation equipments with some compromise..? And moreover if check BD's procurement of tanks, they never wanted a heavy tank.

By the way two weeks back Norinco unveiled brand new Type-96, with true 3rd generation capabilities.

The Chinese Defence Company NORINCO unveils new main battle tank VT2 at DSA 2012 1804124 - Army Recognition

 

[alimobin memon]

Is this tank in the same class as Russia's T90?

Yes However t90M maybe little superior but Alkhalid I has new ERA Bricks maybe that can make them in same class , FYI T90M not yet in Service in large numbers when it is really , Alkhalid II will be Introduced

 

[Dazzler]

What if Type-96 can accomadate all new generation equipments with some compromise..? And moreover if check BD's procurement of tanks, they never wanted a heavy tank.

By the way two weeks back Norinco unveiled brand new Type-96, with true 3rd generation capabilities.

The Chinese Defence Company NORINCO unveils new main battle tank VT2 at DSA 2012 1804124*-*Army Recognition

Theoretically it is possible to accommodate similar systems in it but this will go only to an extent because 96 is essentially designed as a 2nd generation tank, its overall size and dimensions will remain the same, a more powerful engine cannot be accommodated, neither the basic frame be changed, modular ERA can be added but basic composite armor thickness cannot be changed, if any of this was possible, Chinese would have done it a long time ago. Type 90 was designed as a plug and play model from the start. By reading this very thread and other resources on Chinese MBT development, we realize that type-90 was essentially the true future, giving birth to 90IM, AK, MBT 2000, VT1A, and type 98 (also based on a further modified type-90 frame with increased armour and more powerful engine), continued in type 99XXX series. The latest model, Type 99B, is based on type-90/MBT 2000/ hull and turret.

Yes However t90M maybe little superior but Alkhalid I has new ERA Bricks maybe that can make them in same class , FYI T90M not yet in Service in large numbers when it is really , Alkhalid II will be Introduced

This point has been discussed many a times and please do not make this x v.s y thread.