Al-Aqsa: Palestinians killed as Jerusalem protests rage

[Falcon29]

Because they're only illegal if built on land owned by Arabs, rather than deeded to Jews by the Ottomans via the Mandate, or sold by Arabs to Jews; they are merely SAID to be illegal, which is something quite different.

No, you are trying to relying on past mandate which was already refuted in post #55. Settlements in the West Bank are not legal or supported by international law, this is determined by the United Nations which is replacement of League of Nations. International community goes by that. In post#55 the official link is provided.

You're the one advocating that Jews in Palestine should be attacked simply because they are Jews. I never claimed Arabs should be attacked because they are Arabs. So you're the one turning the truth upside-down, not I.

I'm going to discuss with the staff to permanently ban you if you continue with this sloppy text book 'debating' technique that is nothing more than arbitrary assertions and ad hominem. You throw several of them at every person every other post. You either stay on topic(legality of settlements in West Bank), or get banned for your intentional tactic of ad hominem spam.

And no, that was discussion with Mountain Jew of whether a Palestinian targeting armed soldiers in occupied territory is deemed as 'terrorism' or not.

 

[Big Tank]

I am still wondering where is the Arab NATO?? These fool Sheikhs are fooling us instead. Pressurized US LOL!

 

[DavidSling]

I am still wondering where is the Arab NATO?? These fool Sheikhs are fooling us instead. Pressurized US LOL!

What will they do, start a war with Israel?

 

[Solomon2]

No, you are trying to relying on past mandate which was already refuted in post #55. Settlements in the West Bank are not legal or supported by international law, this is determined by the United Nations which is replacement of League of Nations. International community goes by that. In post#55 the official link is provided.

Expanded:

...Under this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty), Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a trusteeship or trust territory. The only period of time such an agreement could have been concluded under Chapter 12 of the UN Charter was during the three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the date the Mandate expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed. Since no agreement of this type was made during this relevant three-year period, in which Jewish rights to all of Palestine may conceivably have been altered had Palestine been converted into a trust territory, those Jewish rights that had existed under the Mandate remained in full force and effect, to which the UN is still committed by Article 80 to uphold, or is prohibited from altering...

So the Jews' sovereign rights to Judea-Samaria (what the Jordanians, who had illegally kicked Jews out of the territory they ruled, call the West Bank) are preserved.

And still you do not address the Arabs' legal and moral deficiencies: their repeated attempts to deprive Jews of life, liberty and property, as opposed to Jews' rights to preserve their rights and even regain them.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I'm glad you have an arch because you don't have an empire anymore. I know who rules what used to be your empire, you've been schooled on that before. You denied it ever being part of your empire, but you Christians have a track record for that in the face of defeat, Peter denied knowing Jesus 3 times.

So who rules what is our empire? Rome? Who rules in Rome?

I give you a hint. Romans.

 

[19887]

The Quran warned Muslims of people like zionists 1400 years ago. It clearly states they will bring mischief and yet claim to be peace makers.

First of all there were no Zionists 1,400 years ago
Second, then I follow the koran, if you didnwt know I am anti-Zionist.
The Zionists claimed that they came to live together with the Arabs in peace, they had no intention of killing / expelling the Arabs.

***What should you do? Return all Palestinian lands to Palestinian people.

What should we do? What we want!

****Please answer these questions:
What are these Palestinian territories?
where are they? What are their borders?
What makes these territories a Palestinians?
And from what year are these territories Palestinians?
To whom did the area belong before it was Palestinian?

***Please answer these questions:
Who are the Palestinians?
What determines who is Palestinian and who is not?
If they are a nation, from what year are they a nation?
They claim that they are no different from the rest of the Arabs in the Levant, so what distinguishes them from the other Arabs?
What makes them a people?

Zionists took advantage of the occupation of Palestine by a foreign empire and convinced that empire to grant them a state in land that belonged to other people.

***occupation of what?
Of people?
Of land?

***What makes this land Palestinian land?

***The rest of it is true.

You used terrorism, politics and war to achieve your aims.

The Zionists used politics.
Terror and war were the tools of the Arabs.

When you take someones home, oppress them, kill them, you should not be surprised when they react.

And now you will get the other side of the coin,
When you immigrate to a country that is not yours, claims that it is yours and attacks those who own the land, you can not expect them not to respond.

I have no problem whatsoever with followers of the Jewish faith living in the land known as Palestine. God created all men, God created all land. My only objection to that is if this happens at the cost of the homes, the lands, the lives and the freedom of the people of Palestine.

It's nice to hear that you have no problem with Jews.

If Israel should make peace with the Palestinians then I think all the people who live in that land right now should be allowed to continue to live with equality and dignity.

I understood, but unfortunately this can not happen.

If the land is won back by war, I don't think a single Israeli should be allowed to stay unless they sign a contract stating they reject the notion of the formation of a Jewish state on the lands between the Nile and the Eauphrates.

What is the connection between the Nile and the Euphrates and the Jews and the Land of Israel?
There is no such connection.

Ultimately the only opinion that matters is that of the people of Palestine and thier elected leaders, and whilst it has its strength the only will that will be implemented is that of the Israeli state.

The Jews will not run according to what the others decide.

 

[Big Tank]

What will they do, start a war with Israel?

A standoff will be enough to halt you Jews for a while. Although you may not accept but you will fall soon.

 

[Falcon29]

And still you do not address the Arabs' legal and moral deficiencies: their repeated attempts to deprive Jews of life, liberty and property, as opposed to Jews' rights to preserve their rights and even regain them.

Again, the counter argument is already present in post #55, stop spamming your same argument over and over again.

I reported for you for the part I quoted, that type of spam ad hominem should not be tolerated here.

 

[313ghazi]

Well, he can counter that easily by stating, without qualification, that Muslims don't have the right to conquer and hold lands. How about it, @313ghazi?

Only an idiot would say that. The bottom line is might is right. Anyone is free to wage war, just know you will face consequences. This game will end only after the sun swallows our planet.

 

[Solomon2]

A standoff will be enough to halt you Jews for a while. Although you may not accept but you will fall soon.

The question is at what point should Pakistanis publicly change their loyalties from blind support for the Palestinians to supporting Zionists. The "Palestinian" Arabs possess neither valid legal nor moral claims and keeping up a pretense that they do requires such twists of facts and logic that it has been driving Pakistanis crazy for generations.

 

[Falcon29]

@313ghazi

Just get back on topic brother, he wants to engage you in order to frame this as a Muslim vs. non-Muslim struggle rather than a Palestinian struggle which it clearly is.

 

[DavidSling]

A standoff will be enough to halt you Jews for a while. Although you may not accept but you will fall soon.

Still waiting to fall, meanwhile only countries around us continue to fall

 

[Solomon2]

The bottom line is might is right.

Are you asserting that as Muslims' core belief?

It's useful here to point out that might is measured relative to something, while right is an absolute. So you can't equate them: the meaning of one or the other has to give. In practice, that often means "right" becomes something that alters with might, and thus is reduced to meaninglessness: the strong oppressing because they can, while the weak suffer because they must.

 

[19887]

Skip to 0:48, Israeli officer kicks Palestinian praying on the street in the left rib cage area:

Lol, he just flings him out because there's a mess.
*Even though he could have done it in another way.

You guys were not present in Palestine, only in insignificant numbers in late 1800's. So you did have the choice to live besides us peacefully.

Jews have been present in the land of Israel for more than 3200 years in a row.
Those who call themselves "Palestinians" were not present in the land of Israel until the 19th century.

Instead, you managed to secure British support to deliver millions of European Jews unto Palestinian land, and carve out a state for them forcefully(militarily) with no local support. So that's far from the narrative you present.

"Instead, you managed to secure British support to deliver millions of European Jews unto" - So far, that's true.

"Palestinian land" - There is no such thing as Palestinian land, and there was never such a thing.

"carve out a state for them forcefully(militarily)" -
The Jews did it politically by accepting the UN Partition Plan.
The Arabs chose to wage war against the Jews, and only lost more territory.

"with no local support" -
Druze, Circassians, Samaritans, Bedouins, and some of the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" supported and cooperated with the Jews.
For example, the village of Abu Ghosh, an Arab village that helped the Jews.

 

[Solomon2]

@313ghazi

Just get back on topic brother, he wants to engage you in order to frame this as a Muslim vs. non-Muslim struggle rather than a Palestinian struggle which it clearly is.

The incident started when two Muslims killed three Muslims whose job it was to protect a Muslim shrine from non-Muslims. It's the Jew-hating rage of some Arab leaders and their followers that turned it into a "Palestinian struggle."

I reported for you for the part I quoted, that type of spam ad hominem should not be tolerated here.

Why should Pakistanis accept you dictating what they should and should not tolerate?