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Air refueling ability is well known the most effective way of American to set air dominance in Vietnam War.

Recently, there're many news and activities could lead to this matter, again in SCS.
Feel free to post related news, comments on this.

1. Type of tankers and their capacity
2. Quantity,
3. Operators ( as I know some ASEAN has this )
4. Tactic for and against air tankers.
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Indonesia KC-130 in action
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KC-135 Singapore
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In addition to the newly added fuel tanks in the rudders capacity totaling 280 kg, there are four main fuel tanks. No. 1 tank with capacity totaling 3,150 kg is in the front, No. 2 tank with capacity totaling 4,150 kg is in the middle, No. 3 tank with capacity totaling 1,053 kg is in the rear, and No. 4 tank with capacity totaling 1,552 kg is located in the wings. During aerial refueling, the maximum capacity of Su-30MKK is receiving up to 2,300 liters per minute. The altitude of refueling is limited to 2 km to 6 km, and the speed is limited to 450–550 km/h. Aerial refueling probe is located in front of cockpit on the left, and the design is capable of night refueling.

Indonesia Su-30 and KC-130
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The Stratotanker, based on the Boeing 707, first entered the U.S. Air Force inventory at Castle Air Force Base, California, in June 1957. The last KC-135 was delivered in 1965.

During the Vietnam War, the unique capabilities of the KC-135 Stratotankers came to fruition, making that air war different from all previous aerial conflicts.

Mid-air refueling allowed bombers to hit targets deep in enemy territory, from bases well out of harms way, and fighters, no longer limited by restricted fuel supplies, were able to spend more time in target areas, and provide greatly enhanced support to our ground forces. The face of air combat operations had changed forever

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Vietnam the first 'tanker war'

Posted 6/1/2009 Updated 2/2/2015
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by Ellery D. Wallwork
Hq. Air Mobility Command History Office

6/1/2009 - SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill. -- Editor's note: This is the seventh article in a series of articles highlighting the history of aerial refueling and the important role aerial refueling has played in American military history.

Air refueling played an important role throughout the air war over Southeast Asia. With distances of 7,100 nautical miles from Travis Air Force Base, Calif., to Andersen AFB, Guam, and another 2,251 nautical miles to Saigon, South Vietnam, all tactical aircraft sent from the United States to Southeast Asia required air refueling. Even the B-52 Stratofortress received a precautionary refueling on its way to Guam.

The destruction of five B-57 Canberra bombers in November 1964 taught Airmen the hard lesson of basing large, vulnerable aircraft in Vietnam. Therefore, during the course of the conflict, Strategic Air Command based its tankers in Guam, Okinawa, the Philippines, Thailand and Taiwan.

In early 1964, SAC deployed its first four KC-135A Stratotankers to Clark Air Base, Philippines. Dubbed "Yankee Team Task Force," this group of tankers was intended to serve on a temporary mission. On June 9, 1964, Yankee Team performed its first combat air refueling of the war, servicing eight F-100D Super Sabres on a mission to strike Pathet Lao anti-aircraft emplacements in northern Laos. Although SAC withdrew the task force by June 22, the Joint Chiefs reestablished the Yankee Team at Clark AB on Aug. 5, following the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

By late September, the KC-135 force, renamed "Foreign Legion," began regularly supporting fighters engaged in combat. With air refueling contributing direct support to combat aircraft, Vietnam was the "first tanker war."

As the conflict continued to escalate, so too did the number of tankers assigned to the theater. With the number of aircraft, basing locations also continued to grow. SAC established a new wing at Kadena AB in January 1965, with a new nickname, "Young Tiger." This new moniker would come to represent all air refuelers in the theater for the next eight years.

On Feb. 12, 1965, 38 KC-135s supported the deployment of 30 B-52s to Andersen AFB in preparation for bombing operations over Southeast Asia. Arc Light missions focused B-52 bombing missions against Viet Cong jungle strongholds. Tankers from Kadena made it possible for the heavily-loaded bombers to complete the roughly-2,000-mile roundtrip. Arc Light commenced on June 18, 1965, with 30 KC-135s refueling 27 B-52s on their way to Viet Cong targets.

In addition to combat air refuelings, tanker crews began to receive credit for saving tactical aircraft. One of the earliest incidents occurred on Nov. 22, 1965, when an F-105, after releasing its ordinance, began to experience a rapid loss of fuel. A Kadena KC-135, commanded by Capt. Ross E. Evers, rushed over North Vietnamese territory to provide fuel.

Perhaps the best known "save" occurred on May 31, 1967. Major John H. Casteel's tanker crew was engaged in a routine refueling of two Air Force F-104Cs over the Gulf of Tonkin when U.S. Navy aircraft dangerously short of fuel arrived. This KC-135, equipped with a boom-drogue adapter to support the F-104s, refueled two Navy KA-3 tankers, two Navy F-8s, two Navy F-4s, as well as its assigned F-104s. In order to save the aircraft, a brief tri-level refueling occurred with the KC-135 feeding a KA-3 while the KA-3 passed fuel to an F-8. Without the KC-135's help, the Navy aircraft would probably not have reached their carrier. This KC-135 crew earned the MacKay Trophy for the most extraordinary aerial flight of 1967 -- the first time the award went to a tanker crew.

Early 1968 witnessed two important events in Southeast Asia. First, a Korean crisis arose after North Korea seized an intelligence vessel, the USS Pueblo, on Jan. 23. Second, North Vietnam and Viet Cong forces launched a series of attacks, known as the Tet Offensive, throughout South Vietnam on Jan. 30.

In response to the Pueblo crisis, SAC deployed additional KC-135s and B-52s to the region under Operation Port Bow. KC-135s also supported the deployment of tactical aircraft to the Far East, called Operation Combat Fox. Under Operation Commando Royal, KC-135s supported tactical aircraft patrols of the Korean Demilitarized Zone with an average of five refueling sorties per day.

With the Tet Offensive ongoing, and in particular, the Siege of Khe Sanh underway in South Vietnam, the Joint Chiefs authorized the Port Bow tankers and bombers to support Arc Light missions. To support Operation Niagara, relief operations for Khe Sanh, authorized tanker sorties increased from an average of 53 per day to 66 in February.

The increased tanker and bomber missions helped break the siege, and this tanker rate remained authorized afterwards. However, on 1 April 1968, before the daily rate could achieve that authorized level, President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered a halt to all bombing north of 19 degrees. On Nov. 1, 1968, he further stopped all bombing of North Vietnam and the demilitarized zone.

Although combat operations over North Vietnam were suspended after November, tankers -- although nowhere near the numbers of 1968 -- continued to support operations in South Vietnam and Cambodia during the "Vietnamization" of the conflict.

By the end of 1971, South Vietnamese ground forces had largely taken over the ground war, but U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy aircraft continued to provide tactical support. When intelligence reported a likely increase in hostilities in early 1972, the United States sent more aircraft to Southeast Asia. SAC's KC-135s supported the deployment of additional bombers under Operations Bullet Shot I and II and tactical aircraft under Operations Constant Guard I, II and III. As the expected North Vietnamese spring invasion began, SAC also reintroduced large numbers of KC-135s to Thailand and the Philippines to support Operation Linebacker from May to October 1972.

As the offensive faltered, intense negotiations ensued for a permanent ceasefire. In an attempt to show good faith in the negotiations, President Richard M. Nixon again restricted operations over North Vietnam. When negotiations stalemated, Nixon authorized Operation Linebacker II as an intense series of coordinated B-52 and tactical aircraft strikes against strategic military targets in North Vietnam, primarily against the previously off-limits Hanoi-Haiphong area. Throughout this 11-day offensive (Dec. 18 to Dec. 29, 1972), KC-135s enabled the operation of a variety of bombing, strike, fighter and electronic warfare aircraft.

Although a ceasefire agreement was signed within a month after Linebacker II, KC-135s continued to support combat operations in Southeast Asia for another seven months.

The last combat air strike over Cambodia on Aug. 15, 1973, marked the end of the air war in Southeast Asia. KC-135 combat operations lasted 110 months, with the tankers flying 194,687 sorties, transferring approximately 1.4 billion gallons of fuel during 813,878 air refuelings. SAC lost only four KC-135s in Southeast Asia, two during take-offs and two during landings.

In addition to enabling a wide range of operational possibilities in warfare, the efforts of the tanker crews saved an untold number of their fellow Airmen's lives, as well as a large number of aircraft.
 
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OVER THE PACIFIC OCEAN -- A B-2 Spirit bomber prepares to refuel from a KC-135 Stratotanker during a deployment to Andersen Air Force Base, Guam. The bomber deployed as part of a rotation that has provided U.S. Pacific Command officials a continuous bomber presence in the Asia-Pacific region, enhancing regional security and the U.S. commitment to the Western Pacific. The Spirit is from the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman AFB, Mo. The Stratotanker is assigned to the Illinois Air National Guard's 126th Air Refueling Wing at Scott AFB.

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A U.S. Air Force Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor aircraft, assigned to the 90th Fighter Squadron, 3rd Wing, from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska (USA), receives fuel from a Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker aircraft (s/n 58-0102) assigned to the 465th Air Refueling Squadron, 507th Air Refueling Wing, out of Tinker AFB, Oklahoma (USA), near Anderson AFB, Guam, on 17 February 2010.
 
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Trivia:
How many J-10 a H6U could aerial refuel as max ? 2
How many H-6U China has? 10
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After this refueling, the H-6U must return to the base.
If this is refuel for the outgoing of J-10, then they need another H-6U to refuel the way back.

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Singapore aerial refuel fleet
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General Characteristics
Primary Function:
Aerial refueling and airlift
Prime Contractor: The Boeing Company
Power Plant: CFM International CFM-56 turbofan engines
Thrust: 21,634 pounds each engine
Wingspan: 130 feet, 10 inches (39.88 meters)
Length: 136 feet, 3 inches (41.53 meters)
Height: 41 feet, 8 inches (12.7 meters)
Speed: 530 miles per hour at 30,000 feet (9,144 meters)
Ceiling: 50,000 feet (15,240 meters)
Range: 1,500 miles (2,419 kilometers) with 150,000 pounds (68,039 kilograms) of transfer fuel; ferry mission, up to 11,015 miles (17,766 kilometers)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 322,500 pounds (146,285 kilograms)
Maximum Transfer Fuel Load: 200,000 pounds (90,719 kilograms)
Maximum Cargo Capability: 83,000 pounds (37,648 kilograms), 37 passengers
Pallet Positions: 6
Crew: Three: pilot, co-pilot and boom operator. Some KC-135 missions require the addition of a navigator. The Air Force has a limited number of navigator suites that can be installed for unique missions.
Aeromedical Evacuation Crew: A basic crew of five (two flight nurses and three medical technicians) is added for aeromedical evacuation missions. Medical crew may be altered as required by the needs of patients.
Unit Cost: $39.6 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Date Deployed: August 1956


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Japan KC-767J ( Japan has four of these)
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Don't forget Malaysian, they just ordered 4 A400M in which they can be used as air refueling platform with easy arrangement
 
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Don't forget Malaysian, they just ordered 4 A400M in which they can be used as air refueling platform with easy arrangement

Beside of that they have KC-130s too.

IL-78 Midas mid air refuel to Tu-95
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Many of them landed in Cam Ranh for refueling Tu-95 patrol to Pacific, last November !!!
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Don't forget the newest addition to the U.S. Air Force fleet the KC-46 Pegasus. Wish they chose the Boeing 777-300ER for the tanker but whatever.
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At present, I don't think we need tanker, because our Su-30 range can reach to most point onSCS, in combat or patrol operation.
Our patrol duty on Spratly has proved that.
So, I think maybe topbrass will want it after 2018 - 2020, when we get enough Su-30 and another type fighter/bomber.
 
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At present, I don't think we need tanker, because our Su-30 range can reach to most point onSCS, in operation.
Our patrol duty on Spratly proved that.
So, I think maybe topbrass will want it after 2018 - 2020, when we get enough Su-30 and another type fighter/bomber.

basically, Vietnam never need them.
During Vietnam war, Vietnam has no force to attack mid air refuel, At this moment Vietnam could study about that.

In SCS, the most powerful air refuel, still the USA, next Singapore, ...
surprisingly, I can't find any visual evidence about China IL-78 ( rumor said that they have 3 ) in action ,
 
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Trivia:
How many J-10 a H6U could aerial refuel as max ? 2
How many H-6U China has? 10
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After this refueling, the H-6U must return to the base.
If this is refuel for the outgoing of J-10, then they need another H-6U to refuel the way back.

PLAAF J10A air refueling exercise in formation
 
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Excluding non-ASEAN states, it seems Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia has more experience in this field at present as they posses their own aerial tankers - KC-130s for Indonesia and Malaysia and KC-135 for Singapore.
 
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Right
Whether you need refuel tanker depending on the need of the country..
If you are to attack a target far from your base, then you need the tanker..
Otherwise if you are defensive force, you does not need them at all
Only place where China need tanker is south part of SCS.
Yet PLAN is strong enough to control the situation.

basically, Vietnam never need them.
During Vietnam war, Vietnam has no force to attack mid air refuel, At this moment Vietnam could study about that.

In SCS, the most powerful air refuel, still the USA, next Singapore, ...
surprisingly, I can't find any visual evidence about China IL-78 ( rumor said that they have 3 ) in action ,
 
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Whether you need refuel tanker depending on the need of the country..
If you are to attack a target far from your base, then you need the tanker..
Otherwise if you are defensive force, you does not need them at all
Only place where China need tanker is south part of SCS.
Yet PLAN is strong enough to control the situation.

In global view, it's only US, Russia and NATO could take long range air operation with air refuel
US has all : manufacturing of airframe ; oversea bases everywhere, aircraft carriers
Russia could make air tanker, limit oversea base, limit aircraft carrier

US made thousand of air tankers.
 
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The Thai and U.S. air forces are expected to renew a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on aerial refueling in Thailand and vicinity, according to a Thai government document seen Monday.

The MOU, which may be approved by the Thai cabinet Tuesday, aims to set out the conditions and responsibilities of the two air forces in aerial refueling of Thai F-16 jet fighters by U.S. KC-135 and KC-10 fuel tankers.

''It is a means of increasing bilateral interoperability as well as enhancing the familiarization, testing and evaluation of mutual capabilities to conduct aerial refueling in a contingency,'' according to a draft of the MOU.

Under the note, the air forces agree not to assert claims against each other for loss or damage to their respective property or for injury or death of personnel arising out of joint operations.

The MOU, expected to be signed soon after approval from the cabinet, will replace a pact between the two air forces in force since March 1991. The MOU will be reviewed every three years beginning from the date of signature.

Thailand is one of five countries in the Pacific region with which the U.S. has a functioning security alliance. The others are Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and Australia.

Thailand has been a consistent supporter of the U.S. military presence in Asia, enhancing ability of the U.S. to operate within the region and also allows access, refueling and transit arrangements for U.S. warships.

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