Air Power Could Turn Tide in Favor of Afghan Forces in 2016

[pakistani342]

And we have our good friend @pakistani342 who won't remember such assistance provided by the Afghans even with their meagre resources BTW something similar happened as well when Pakistan was by massive earthquack around 2005-2006 I believe

I'm sorry but it is hard to believe that Afghans would fly sorties in the 1990s -- use some basic common sense -- they didn't have serviceable machines then. And that the Pakistani Airforce would let them fly to Kashmir? or that the machines had the range? Reality is subject to the laws of physics.

In 2005-2006 my brother @A-Team let me tell you, no Afghan business in our are of the US (and there are many) let us place charity collection boxes for the flood victims. When asked why not, in some cases, they said it was against their policy when collection boxes for Afghan charities were in plain site. I can tell you of this because my wife was working at the forefront of this effort, she was dis-hearted [and she is a "proud" Pakhtoon the Pashto speaking kind not the ones who cannot speak two words of it].

These included business we have patronized now for two decades, who have many Pakistani customers. By contrast, Turkish, Arab, Indian (Both Hindu and Sikh) owned businesses helped so much. The Turks outdid the Pakistanis.

in 2005-2006 The US forces helped as the Americans have helped Pakistan (over numerous such occasions). And, the Kafir Churches held Fund Drives but come to think of it -- there is an Afghan mosque near us -- I don't remember them doing anything either.

I would challenge you that you show me any significant video clip on youtube of a fun raising drive on Tolo news for the 2005-2006 earthquake. Saad Mohsani can talk a good game but he is as hollow as the other 80 channel owners.

@A-Team, @Sher Malang

 

[A-Team]

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in 2005-2006 The US forces helped as the Americans have helped Pakistan (over numerous such occasions). And, the Kafir Churches held Fund Drives but come to think of it -- there is an Afghan mosque near us -- I don't remember them doing anything either.

I would challenge you that you show me any significant video clip on youtube of a fun raising drive on Tolo news for the 2005-2006 earthquake. Saad Mohsani can talk a good game but he is as hollow as the other 80 channel owners.

@A-Team, @Sher Malang[/QUOTE]

A simple google search related to 2005 earthquake should help

@Irfan Baloch

Defense.gov News Article: Afghans Help Pakistani Earthquake Victims




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Afghans Help Pakistani Earthquake Victims
By Staff Sgt. Victoria Meyer, USAF
Special to American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Oct. 26, 2005 – Members of the Afghan National Army are helping Pakistan recover from the magnitude 7.6 earthquake that struck South Asia Oct. 8.

Four ANA Air Corps helicopters, crews, maintenance personnel and medical teams deployed from Kabul to Pakistan Oct. 11 with medical supplies, food and water to assist earthquake-relief efforts.

Officials from the Ministry of Defense, including the assistant minister for acquisition technology and logistics, Maj. Gen. Aljah Baz M. Jawhary; Dr. Nadera Hayat Burhani, deputy minister of public health; and Maj. Gen. Shahzada, a senior official from the Disaster Response Department, offered the medical teams words of encouragement before they departed for the humanitarian mission.

"It is our Islamic and governmental goal to support the earthquake relief," Jawhary said. "President Karzai and the minister of defense want you to go, and we thank you for being volunteers (for this mission). We want you all to do your best to help the victims of the catastrophe.

"You all feel their grief better than anyone else because our country has seen much civil war, and we know what it is like to lose everything," he said.

The ANA and the Ministry of Public Health each provided two metric tons of medical supplies, such as antibiotics, bandages and surgical supplies. Twenty ANA doctors, including three women, from the National Military Hospital in Kabul and 14 doctors from the Ministry of Public Health deployed. They have the capability to perform general and orthopedic surgery.

Five U.S. servicemembers from Office of Security Cooperation Afghanistan Air Division and four OSCA interpreters accompanied the flight crews and are assisting in relief efforts.

As of Oct. 21, the ANA had flown 136 sorties and had airlifted 310 casualties and more than 123,390 pounds of supplies, including food, water, blankets and medical supplies.

ANA Surgeon General Maj. Gen. Yaftali; his deputy, also a physician; an ANA colonel with a background in combat medicine; and a Ministry of Health emergency medical technician joined the team in Pakistan Oct. 17. They took an additional 2,000 pounds of medical supplies, including pain treatments, bandages and nutritional supplements for victims of the earthquake.

Following Afghan and Muslim culture, the Afghan government is giving all they can to help others in need. "Even though Afghanistan is a poverty-stricken country, we will still help our neighboring countries," Jawhary said.

(Air Force Staff Sgt. Victoria Meyer is assigned to the Office of Security Cooperation Afghanistan.)

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[Desert Fox]

the civil war destroyed their air force in addition to whatever worthy of a structure they had.
but I am still compelled to respect and acknowledge them in the time of our need

yes most of you were too young to remember or not born. back in early 90s we had massive floods that damaged even the dam walls and destroyed the concrete and iron bridges as if they were made of twigs.

the fearless Afghans came in their Mi-17s and flew flood relief sorties @Sher Malang
I say fearless because those pilots had the hearts of lions despite the personal fatigue and the stress to their machines they continued their missions across Pakistan up to the origin of the floods in the Pakistani Kashmir.

Interesting. Never knew that.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Air power alone won't defeat the Taliban. Their foot soldiers have little to no morale. How many times have nations tried but failed?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Air power alone won't defeat the Taliban. Their foot soldiers have little to no morale. How many times have nations tried but failed?

this is agreed. they already have boots on ground just lacking the much needed air support that does wonders when called in. indeed there is no indication that Afghans are fancying the idea of relying on handful gifted war machines to take care of the insurgency.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

this is agreed. they already have boots on ground just lacking the much needed air support that does wonders when called in. indeed there is no indication that Afghans are fancying the idea of relying on handful gifted war machines to take care of the insurgency.

What they need are armed drones. Not so much of choppers or fighter jets. In a country like Afghanistan, surveillance/24 hour monitoring is the key to success. If they can get a handful of drones, that will turn the tide like it did in both Shawal and Tirah valley for Pak foj. Maybe Pakistan can gift a some Burraq to them?

 

[pakistani342]

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in 2005-2006 The US forces helped as the Americans have helped Pakistan (over numerous such occasions). And, the Kafir Churches held Fund Drives but come to think of it -- there is an Afghan mosque near us -- I don't remember them doing anything either.

I would challenge you that you show me any significant video clip on youtube of a fun raising drive on Tolo news for the 2005-2006 earthquake. Saad Mohsani can talk a good game but he is as hollow as the other 80 channel owners.

@A-Team, @Sher Malang

A simple google search related to 2005 earthquake should help

@Irfan Baloch

Defense.gov News Article: Afghans Help Pakistani Earthquake Victims




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Afghans Help Pakistani Earthquake Victims
By Staff Sgt. Victoria Meyer, USAF
Special to American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Oct. 26, 2005 – Members of the Afghan National Army are helping Pakistan recover from the magnitude 7.6 earthquake that struck South Asia Oct. 8.

Four ANA Air Corps helicopters, crews, maintenance personnel and medical teams deployed from Kabul to Pakistan Oct. 11 with medical supplies, food and water to assist earthquake-relief efforts.

Officials from the Ministry of Defense, including the assistant minister for acquisition technology and logistics, Maj. Gen. Aljah Baz M. Jawhary; Dr. Nadera Hayat Burhani, deputy minister of public health; and Maj. Gen. Shahzada, a senior official from the Disaster Response Department, offered the medical teams words of encouragement before they departed for the humanitarian mission.

"It is our Islamic and governmental goal to support the earthquake relief," Jawhary said. "President Karzai and the minister of defense want you to go, and we thank you for being volunteers (for this mission). We want you all to do your best to help the victims of the catastrophe.

"You all feel their grief better than anyone else because our country has seen much civil war, and we know what it is like to lose everything," he said.

The ANA and the Ministry of Public Health each provided two metric tons of medical supplies, such as antibiotics, bandages and surgical supplies. Twenty ANA doctors, including three women, from the National Military Hospital in Kabul and 14 doctors from the Ministry of Public Health deployed. They have the capability to perform general and orthopedic surgery.

Five U.S. servicemembers from Office of Security Cooperation Afghanistan Air Division and four OSCA interpreters accompanied the flight crews and are assisting in relief efforts.

As of Oct. 21, the ANA had flown 136 sorties and had airlifted 310 casualties and more than 123,390 pounds of supplies, including food, water, blankets and medical supplies.

ANA Surgeon General Maj. Gen. Yaftali; his deputy, also a physician; an ANA colonel with a background in combat medicine; and a Ministry of Health emergency medical technician joined the team in Pakistan Oct. 17. They took an additional 2,000 pounds of medical supplies, including pain treatments, bandages and nutritional supplements for victims of the earthquake.

Following Afghan and Muslim culture, the Afghan government is giving all they can to help others in need. "Even though Afghanistan is a poverty-stricken country, we will still help our neighboring countries," Jawhary said.

(Air Force Staff Sgt. Victoria Meyer is assigned to the Office of Security Cooperation Afghanistan.)

Contact Author[/QUOTE]

Honestly this is the first example I have seen of something like this.

But the point is that Pakistanis should expect this as the norm from Afghans and not the exception.

@WebMaster -- perhaps this should be in a special section for when Afghans supported Pakistanis.

@A-Team, people like me were surprised that Afghans who had lived in Pakistan did not lobby their government after 2001 to make sure Pakistanis could work in Afghanistan, conduct businesses without visas much like Afghans have done for 40 years. Actually Karzai in a recent interview said (I think the BBC) that Afghans worked actively to curtail the numbers of Pakistanis in Afghanistan.

There is no major road, building, monument, to commemorate the historic support the people of Pakistan leant to Afghans. If the Afghans were smart they would have asked Pakistanis/Turks and other major Muslim countries to build their cultural icons or rather help them build their cultural icons.

I hope you at least get my larger point even if you do not agree with it.

An example is how Pakistani and Turks see each other and interact with each other -- perhaps that logic is lost on the Afghan people (perhaps Pakistanis too).