Air Force senior intelligence officer: Russia is using “dumb bombs” in its Syria airstrikes

[mike2000 is back]

you were lucky that we hadn't super high tech weapons or we would show your destroyers instead of your boat ...

WTF?? Wait.........So an Iranian here is actually trying to compare Iran and Britain in military tech/shipbuilding capabilities. ANOTHER JOKE OF THE CENTURY.

 

[بلندر]

The French resistance force was one of the main reasons why the Nazi's became extremely weak on the western side of Europe. You should not attack someone's country, just because they have a difference of opinion.

well , his rudeness force me to remind him some glorious days in history of his beloved country ...

 

[coffee_cup]

Yo Russians, learn human rights and intelligent bombings from Uncle Sam...

12 MSF staff, 7 patients killed in Kunduz attack, US admits airstrike 'in vicinity' of hospital

 

[Rasengan]

He said that himself, and many Chinese members here confirmed it. Ask him @Beidou2020 , I don't know what his wife did to him for him to be more ultra nationalistic than most Native Chinese people themselves. She must be quite good.

This is one crazy world because his views on China are ultra nationalistic in nature and I actually thought he was a proper Chinese. When you have a wife who can cook Sichuanese cuisine then any man would change his views

 

[بلندر]

WTF?? Wait.........So an Iranian here is actually trying to compare Iran and Britain in military tech/shipbuilding capabilities. ANOTHER JOKE OF THE CENTURY.

just remind you that tech is not all thing in wars ... this is not a 2nd generation strategic video game war that you can win it just by having more units ...

 

[mike2000 is back]

This is one crazy world because his views on China are ultra nationalistic in nature and I actually thought he was a proper Chinese. When you have a wife who can cook Sichuanese cuisine then any man would change his views

ahahahahahah............True bro, i will like to try that cuisine(accompanied by a beautiful Chinese lady), maybe it might change my view of the world as well.

just remind you that tech is not all thing in wars ... this is not a 2nd generation strategic video game war that you can win it just by having more units ...

Doesn't matter. There is almost no field in this world one can think of where Iran even comes close to Great Britain. We are not in the same league to be honest.

Your leagues is with the likes of Turkey, Egypt, KSA etc. So handle them first before even dreaming about Great Britain.
i do admit that Iran is quite advanced for a Muslim/middle eastern country though.

 

[Gabriel92]

Well everybody knows that Mon frère. The simple fact that France is India's 2nd or 3rd largest weapons supplier is prove enough of just how dependent they are on foreign powers for their military. Even a small 4 million strong Israel is among India's top weapon suppliers. As i said before it's a big insult to France to compare it with India in almost any field one can think of. Its funny to think they believe they are a world power and France is insignificant.

Moreover , as for your last point you are right, Not even China has the tech/capabilities to build its own nuclear aircraft carriers, forget about India. In fact outside the U.S only France has a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. In this field, i will admit that France is ahead of even Britain, since we don;t have a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, our two mighty Queen Elizabeth class carriers we just unveiled are not nuclear powered, even though they are the largest carriers of their kind in the world outside the U.S. I wont even go into aviation/aerospace industry where AIRBUS aerospace led by France,Germany and Britain dominate the world, only Boeing can compare. Let the Indian carry on with his jokes, he is only making fun of himself laughing at France while claiming how great India is.

Too bad,if the actual govt didnt destroy our plans,we would have another aircraft carrier based on the Q.E,but nuclear powered and with catapults. :'(

Maybe after 2017...

well , his rudeness force me to remind him some glorious days in history of his beloved country ...

Every country had dark hours in its history...
This member was very rude talking about my country and army,we had bad times,but also great times in all our history....
The funniest thing is that he is a chinese wannabe,i apologize for my comment if i hurt chinese.

 

[Rukarl]

ahahahahahah............True bro, i will like to try that cuisine(accompanied by a beautiful Chinese lady), maybe it might change my view of the world as well.



Doesn't matter. There is almost no field in this world one can think of where Iran even comes close to Great Britain. We are not in the same league to be honest.

Your leagues is with the likes of Turkey, Egypt, KSA etc. So handle them first before even dreaming about Great Britain.
i do admit that Iran is quite advanced for a Muslim/middle eastern country though.

IR is not even a match for Turkey.

 

[Gabriel92]

Oui je said mon frere, Mais a ce que je sache, le projet franco-britannique fut abandonné par le successeur de Jacques Chirac(Nocholas Sarkozy). ce qui me fait plus mal c'est le fait que malgré les sommes déjà investies dans les études (plus de 100 millions d'euros) et la commande des catapultes aux Etats-Unis (qui fut par la suite annulée) sarkozy a annule ce grand project. . Meme comme je comprend bien que les finances de l'Etat ne permettent pas a la france de lancer une telle dépense, estimée à environ/plus de 3 milliards d'euros(a ce que je sache). Est-ce vrai ce chiffre @Gabriel92

The project was literally abandoned under the white paper of this govt...
The cost of this second A.C is estimated at 2.5 billions€... not really unafordable (that govt is a joke,they say we have no money (les caisses sont vides),the other week you see Hollande saying «well spend 1 billions for this,2 for this,550 millions for this etc...)
and is good to have another one in service when the CDG isnt. I really hope that under another govt that really cares about our armed forces would launch another aircraft carrier.....
You lucky bastards with ur 2 modern Q.E

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China never sent any advisers to Syria at all. It was all Russian media propaganda as usual. China denied any military involvement in Syria embarrassing Russia yet again. What the Russians forget is that China has no stake in this war, and the Chinese aren't fond of military adventurism even when you look at all their history, they never ventured out of their immediate Asian neighborhood to wage war unlike western powers like Britain,U.S,France, and Russia who have been doing this for centuries..
Plus don't mind Beidou2020, he is just a German who marrie a Chinese lady, and since then he has become even more radical than the most ultra nationalistic Chinese themselves. lool So dont bash China because of him. Even Chinese members on here dont take him seriously anymore, i thought you knew that already mon ami?



No France is a major world power even today. Do you know that without France the U.S would have remained a British colony for far longer?It was french backstabbing of Britain and helping U.S fighters that helped U.S gained its independence from us. Without that the U.S would have never succeeded in defeating us in that war, reason even the statue of liberty wwas build by france as a gift to the U.S for its liberation/freedom from Great Britain. Americans know this and are grateful to France for that. Plus you cant compare France and China in terms of Military world reach/influence even today.France even today is China second or third largest military supplier. You will be surprised to know that Many Chinese military equipment are based on french designs like their attack helicopters.Im not even talking about France aviation/aerospace industry which is one of the leaders in AIRBUS aerospace, something no Asian country has been able to achieve to date. France is still more advanced than China militarily.

China lacks expeditionary experience and involvement in conflicts far from its neighborhood. Name me one time in History China has fought a war beyond its ASIAN NEIGHBOURHOOD?? While France has always been a major world military power involved in many war theaters from Africa to Vietnam/Indo China to the Caribbean islands to middle East.

Moreover seeing an Indian like you laughing at France military is indeed the joke of the century. At least the Chinese can even talk and i take notice, but India??lol France is still among India's largest military suppliers, your Scorpene submarines which you are so proud of are built by France.LMAO, your Rafale fighters which you have been bragging about on PDF day and night are built by France exclusively yet again. etc etc. You are in no position to make fun of France.

France only supplies some minor trivial military technology, but it comes to the major ones, China is by far ahead.

Like this one, the M51 is now becoming a joke of the century, and 2.5 years of failure is still not being able to sort out, and your country Britain doesn't even try to develop your independent nuclear arsenal.

BTW, if you wanna pick another fight for the debate, then go directly to the Chinese section, but to talk trash to us here is simply cowardice.

 

[mike2000 is back]

The project was literally abandoned under the white paper of this govt...
The cost of this second A.C is estimated at 2.5 billions€... not really unafordable (that govt is a joke,they say we have no money (les caisses sont vides),the other week you see Hollande saying «well spend 1 billions for this,2 for this,550 millions for this etc...)
and is good to have another one in service when the CDG isnt. I really hope that under another govt that really cares about our armed forces would launch another aircraft carrier.....
You lucky bastards with ur 2 modern Q.E

Oui mon frere t'inquiète pas.Faut pas faut pas desesperer . Je suis sûre que dans
peut-être que 5 ou 10 ans se Projet sera relancer.

Will be good to see a French Carrier based on our QE. BEHOLD HERE COMES THE QUEEN.

What a beauty.....

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

 

[Rasengan]

ahahahahahah............True bro, i will like to try that cuisine(accompanied by a beautiful Chinese lady), maybe it might change my view of the world as well.

As Andrew Jin can testify Sichuanese women are extremely beautiful, however their temper is also quite legendary in making most men submissive if you get my drift On a serious topic its always amusing to read how some misguided Indians love to speak on a superior tone over the British, just because some money was saved in the piggy bank recently. They should stop migrating to the UK, just for the red passport.

 

[mike2000 is back]

France only supplies some minor trivial military technology, but it comes to the major ones, China is by far ahead.

Like this one, the M51 is now becoming a joke of the century, and 2.5 years of failure is still not being able to sort out, and your country Britain doesn't even try to develop your independent nuclear arsenal.

BTW, if you wanna pick another fight for the debate, then go directly to the Chinese section, but to talk trash to us here is simply cowardice.

lool France supplies Trivial military technology to China. LOOOL If it was trivial you will never have imported it from them, since when is an attack helicopter trivial? You call your second largest arms supplier a trivial weapons exporter??

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Oui mon frere t'inquiète pas.Faut pas faut pas desesperer . Je suis sûre que dans
peut-être que 5 ou 10 ans se Projet sera relancer.

Will be good to see a French Carrier based on our QE. BEHOLD HERE COMES THE QUEEN.

What a beauty.....

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

I think even the USS Kitty Hawk is better than this toy.

lool France supplies Trivial military technology to China. LOOOL If it was trivial you will never have imported it from them, since when is an attack helicopter trivial? You call your second largest arms supplier a trivial weapons exporter??

Our attack chopper is completely indigenous, tell me what role does France play in?

 

[mike2000 is back]

I think even the USS Kitty Hawk is better than this toy.



Our attack chopper is completely indigenous, tell me what role does France play in?

European Companies Are Supplying China With Billions In Weapons And Military Technology

As China boosts its military spending, rattling neighbours over territorial disputes at sea, an AFP investigation shows that European countries have approved billions in transfers of weapons and military-ready technology to the Asian giant.

China's air force relies on French-designed helicopters, while submarines and frigates involved in Beijing's physical assertion of its claim to vast swathes of the South China Sea are powered by German and French engines -- part of a separate trade in "dual use" technology to Beijing's armed forces.

Chinese President Xi Jinping announced stepped-up production of the Airbus EC175 helicopter in China during his visit to France this month -- a deal analysts said could result in technology transfers to the military.

"European exports are very important for the Chinese military," said Andrei Chang, editor of the Hong Kong-based Kanwa Asian Defense Review.

"Without European technology, the Chinese navy would not be able to move."

The European Union imposed an arms embargo on China after its army killed many demonstrators in the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. But member states are free to interpret the embargo loosely, analysts say.

The exports have generated friction with the United States -- which does not export arms to Beijing -- along with criticism from activists pointing to human rights violations and analysts citing regional security concerns.

An EU spokesman said in a statement that "the final decision to authorize or deny the (arms) export is the responsibility of EU member states".

Vessels of war

AFP Photo/Guang Niu

China -- the world's second largest military spender -- last month announced the latest of many double-digit rises in its official defence budget.

EU arms makers received licenses to export equipment worth three billion euros ($4.1 billion) to China in the decade to 2012, according to annual EU reports on the trade.

The most recent said arms exports worth 173 million euros were approved in 2012, with France issuing more than 80 percent of them by value. A French parliamentary report said the country delivered China arms worth 104 million euros.

Most of the sum was accounted for by the production of Airbus helicopters in China for use by China's military, according to analysts from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), which monitors arms transfers.

Other EU licences included almost three million euros' worth of "smooth-bore weapons" and accessories, approved for export by Britain, and nearly 18 million euros' worth of "vessels of war" or their accessories and components, authorized by the Netherlands.

Most of Beijing's military imports last year came from Russia while France, Britain and Germany supplied 18 percent, SIPRI estimates.

'Very lax, very loose'
China is on track to become a major military power.

While it calls its expanding capabilities peaceful and aimed at self-defence, relations with its neighbours have soured in recent years, especially rival Japan, with experts warning of potentially dangerous escalations if either side miscalculates.

Tensions spiked last year when a Jiangwei-class Chinese frigate was among the vessels Tokyo accused of locking fire-control radar on a destroyer and a helicopter near disputed islands seen as a potential flashpoint, an allegation Beijing denied.

Military experts believe the ship relies on diesel engines produced by German firm MTU.

Another accused ship, a Jiangkai-class vessel, uses engines made by SEMT Pielstick, a French diesel engine manufacturer owned by German firm MAN Diesel and Turbo, according to analysts and specifications posted on Chinese military websites.

MAN told AFP that its Chinese licensees have supplied about 250 engines to China's navy.

MTU said it "acts strictly according to the German export laws", without elaborating.

The engines are exported as "dual use" -- having civilian and potential military applications -- so are exempt from the EU arms embargo.

Beijing's military has acquired an array of such items, including software used to design fighter jets, from Europe over the past decade.

German-designed engines chosen for their quietness power virtually all non-nuclear Chinese submarines and several classes of Chinese frigates deployed in the South China Sea, where Beijing has a host of territorial disputes, analysts say.

Citing the co-production deal signed in France, Chang said: "China uses the name of civil purchase to purchase French helicopter engines, and they shift those engines into military helicopters."

"If (China) knows how to design the middle-sized EC175, they will know how to design a middle-sized military transport helicopter."

China's recent military helicopters "appear to just be upgrades" of Airbus designs, said Roger Cliff, military analyst at the US-based Atlantic Council.

Airbus directed inquiries to its helicopter division, which did not respond.

Bernadette Andreosso, director of European studies at Ireland's University of Limerick, described Europe's dual-use export controls as "very lax, very loose".

European countries face a dilemma, analysts said.

"China represents much more of a threat today to stability in the Pacific and elsewhere," said Andreosso. "We might have to sacrifice some of our competitiveness to have greater security."

Trading values for arms?
Arms exports have created tension between the EU and US, analysts say, and according to SIPRI the US has not exported any arms to China in any of the recent years for which it has data.

China's defence ministry declined to comment.

Campaigners also worry about human rights in China, which jails dissidents and deploys troops in sensitive areas including Tibet.

"The EU is supposed to be based on the promotion of human rights and democracy, but all too often these values are overridden in the name of short-term profits for arms companies," said Andrew Smith, of the UK-based Campaign Against Arms Trade.

Emil Kirchner, an EU policy expert at Britain's University of Essex, said East Asian tensions meant the exports could eventually damage EU interests.

"Already, cynics claim that if the People’s Liberation Army went to war tomorrow, it would employ an arsenal filled with equipment from Germany, France and Britain," he said.

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