Air Force Declares the F-35A Combat Ready

[IceCold]

Maybe we can get them? No? Okay....

If only wishes were horses.........

 

[jhungary]

I understood that already,F-35 brings different things Into the battle with its Mission flexibility.

But in the end what matters to others is export potential ( Cost )among many other things and cost is where the f-35 falls behind and since Su-35 is designed to dominate skies at almost half the price That's all that one needs...

Are you saying that Su35 cannot be compared because its far better or that su35 should Compete Raptor ?

China is making stealth planes like J-20 and combining them with Russian 4++ Generation Jets like su35 gives them the ability to scare off any Threats.

Unlike the rich countries who're going to operate the F-35 at a hefty price and still keep a One Dimensional air-force.

A good air-force which United states has is due to its Diversity of Different types of Jets same is with Future Chinese air-force.
That's just how I see it.Most air-forces like Pakistan air force and others should learn from China and US and keep a Diverse Air-force because Not all the Jets are perfect.

There is a reason why Su-35 does not sell (Even with Chinese order, they only managed some 100 aircraft export)

The problem? Su-35 cannot choose not to engage in combat, F-35 can.

You may think F-35 is twice the price (even tho with today F-35A IOC, an F-35 cost about 96 millions USD, while Su-35 cost about 67 millions) Problem is, you can choose what you fight or engage in a F-35, but you can't on a Su-35, because you will be detected miles out.

What that means? Say I have a target to strike, let's say a nuclear power plants. And the plants was guarded by 2 enemy airfield, now. consider this scenario.

If I don't have stealth aircraft, I may need to use a squadron of Su-34 to actually bomb the power plants, and 2 squad of Su-35 to escort the squadron of Su-34. Because your Su-34 and Su-35 would be detected and challenged on route. And now, you would need about 30 - 48 Su-35 and 12 Su-34 for the mission, and some of them are not coming back.

If I have stealth, I may use 2 squadron of F-35 to bomb the power plant, with one squadron bombing the plant and one squadron escorting the bomber. I can either choose to pre-empt the enemy airfield with my escort, leaving my bomber to carry out the strike package, or I simply bomb the target and leave the area, and maybe use the second squadron as a diversion. For this, I will only need 24 F-35 to do the job. Instead of at least 42 aircraft.

And if the kill rate is the same, say 40% of your aircraft did not make it, then you will lose about 9 F-35 if you go stealth, and you will lose 12 Su-35 and 4 Su-34 if I don't have stealth. You ended up losing more.

 

[neem456]

I understood that already,F-35 brings different things Into the battle with its Mission flexibility.

But in the end what matters to others is export potential ( Cost )among many other things and cost is where the f-35 falls behind and since Su-35 is designed to dominate skies at almost half the price That's all that one needs...


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Speaking about export, f-35 order list stands to about more than 3000 in line.

How many su-35's are exported so far ? 100 ?

 

[Penguin]

I understood that already,F-35 brings different things Into the battle with its Mission flexibility.

Not just mission flexibility, but also in terms of stealth, situational awareness, ability to see and shoot first, ability to coordinate other assets and to use information from other assests etc.

But in the end what matters to others is export potential ( Cost )among many other things and cost is where the f-35 falls behind and since Su-35 is designed to dominate skies at almost half the price That's all that one needs...

USAF 1736 F35A planned
USMC 340 F35B, 80 F35C planned
USN 260 planned.
SubTotal 2416

Non US:
F-35A 553 (Australia, Denmark, Israel, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, South Korea, Turkey)
F-35B 157 planned (UK and Italy)
F-35C: 0
Subtotal 710

Total: 3126 planned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockh...I#Procurement_and_international_participation

Even if just half these are realized thats still over 1500 aircraft. The actual orderbook for Su-35 is at present at best 166 (of which 98 Russian), as compared to 156 F35s of all variants ordered by non-US countries plus 214 ordered for US .

Are you saying that Su35 cannot be compared because its far better or that su35 should Compete Raptor ?

Both: F-35 is a different league technologically and in terms of role SU-35 is more properly compared to the much older F-22

China is making stealth planes like J-20 and combining them with Russian 4++ Generation Jets like su35 gives them the ability to scare off any Threats.

How nice for China.

Unlike the rich countries who're going to operate the F-35 at a hefty price and still keep a One Dimensional air-force.

Whatever that means.

A good air-force which United states has is due to its Diversity of Different types of Jets same is with Future Chinese air-force.

Of course, the non-US F-35 users in Europe as all NATO members, which work closely with US. And the non-European users are strategic US defence partners. Some of which incidentally also operate a mix of different jets ...

That's just how I see it.Most air-forces like Pakistan air force and others should learn from China and US and keep a Diverse Air-force because Not all the Jets are perfect.

UK, Italy use Typhoon, Israel will continue F-15 and F-16, Japan will continue F-15 and F-2, South Korea wil continue F-15, F-16, A-50, and Turkey will continue F-16 etc. Hardly 'one dimensional'.

 

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The problem? Su-35 cannot choose not to engage in combat, F-35 can.?(lol?)That is what I was saying about having One Dimensional Air-forces your post is a good example of what I was trying to say

I Don't agree with you fully since Su-35 is Designed as a 4th Generation + aircraft to fill the gap Replacing legacy fighters and Not 5th Generation which should be Incorporating as/per your scenario a needed 5th Generation Stealth tech which I said previously that China is fulfilling to do with its Newer 5th Generation Jets.

@Penguin Please watch the Video and share your Comments.
You may skip the pleasantries 2:22

 

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[jhungary]

I Don't agree with you fully since Su-35 is Designed as a 4th Generation + aircraft to fill the gap Replacing legacy fighters and Not 5th Generation which should be Incorporating as/per your scenario a needed 5th Generation Stealth tech which I said previously that China is fulfilling to do with its Newer 5th Generation Jets.

@Penguin Please watch the Video and share your Comments.
You may skip the pleasantries 2:22

The scenario is bombing a nuclear power plants, a normal scenario whether or not you have 5th Gen.

You do know fighter aircraft does not just go up in the air and duel with other fighter, right, you keep posting 1 on 1 between Su-35 and F-35 is basically pointless, how often you get into that in real war? And the fact is, using 5th Gen fighter will give you choice which you do not have with a 4th Gen fighter. And that's the point.

 

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The scenario is bombing a nuclear power plants, a normal scenario whether or not you have 5th Gen.

You do know fighter aircraft does not just go up in the air and duel with other fighter, right, you keep posting 1 on 1 between Su-35 and F-35 is basically pointless, how often you get into that in real war? And the fact is, using 5th Gen fighter will give you choice which you do not have with a 4th Gen fighter. And that's the point.

Some reasons for a 1-1 Comparison b/w both Fighters.
4th Generation Aircraft has a better potential to fight a F-35 as explained in the Video...
SU-35 is Russian and American Rivalry is always there.
I don't see it as Pointless

Lol dude I never said that 1on1 scenario or Insisted on a Real war scenario b/w two Jets which is not likely as you say,Ponder my posts again!,I don't doubt that Su-35 will fail Miserably Instead I see it as a Fantastic Fighter Jet of modern era.Which is Underrated as you pointed out that It hasn't been exported or expected to be as like the F-35.

You don't get my Point I was talking about China that it has already has a Plan to Acquire 5th Generation Jets expected to be inducted in 2018 ,So you saying weather or not you have 5th generation or not is actually pointless as you seem to be conflicting your last post.

 

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Congratulations to USAF

@PARIKRAMA

May be 20 years from now INDIA might decide to buy F 35

If we ever decide to go for F 35 ; WHEN do you think it will happen ie
10 years from now or even LATER say 20 years from now

Perhaps 2050, US may offer to shift entire production line to India.

 

[jhungary]

Some reasons for a 1-1 Comparison b/w both Fighters.
4th Generation Aircraft has a better potential to fight a F-35 as explained in the Video...
SU-35 is Russian and American Rivalry is always there.
I don't see it as Pointless

Lol dude I never said that 1on1 scenario or Insisted on a Real war scenario b/w two Jets which is not likely as you say,Ponder my posts again!,I don't doubt that Su-35 will fail Miserably Instead I see it as a Fantastic Fighter Jet of modern era.Which is Underrated as you pointed out that It hasn't been exported or expected to be as like the F-35.

You don't get my Point I was talking about China that it has already has a Plan to Acquire 5th Generation Jets expected to be inducted in 2018 ,So you saying weather or not you have 5th generation or not is actually pointless as you seem to be conflicting your last post.

I am comparing the functionality between 5th Gen Aircraft and 4th Gen Aircraft, I did not say whether or not 5th Gen Aircraft is important or what not. I did not compare the jet directly, I am comparing the functionality and the true cost of having them and what can they do separately.

My point being, running 5th Gen aircraft is not as expensive you may think (which was the point you made several post ago) simply because you can choose not to engage in any given scenario.

Having 5th Gen Aircraft or not, if you have to fight in a war, you WILL have to fight in a war with the equipment at hand, and hence, all these 5th Gen vs 4th Gen is quite pointless.

 

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I am comparing the functionality between 5th Gen Aircraft and 4th Gen Aircraft, I did not say whether or not 5th Gen Aircraft is important or what not. I did not compare the jet directly, I am comparing the functionality and the true cost of having them and what can they do separately.

My point being, running 5th Gen aircraft is not as expensive you may think (which was the point you made several post ago) simply because you can choose not to engage in any given scenario.

Having 5th Gen Aircraft or not, if you have to fight in a war, you WILL have to fight in a war with the equipment at hand, and hence, all these 5th Gen vs 4th Gen is quite pointless.

lol didnt say about Aircraft (running) as you say but the Price of Purchasing the aircraft for which Su-35 is around 60-68 USD Million and F-35 is 100-110.
Now that is the big difference : )

 

[jhungary]

lol didnt say about Aircraft (running) as you say but the Price of Purchasing the aircraft for which Su-35 is around 60-68 USD Million and F-35 is 100-110.
Now that is the big difference : )

Yeah, but you use less. You can use 4 F-35 to do 12 Su-35's job......When you are squaring it away, it won't be that much of a different.

 

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Yeah, but you use less. You can use 4 F-35 to do 12 Su-35's job......When you are squaring it away, it won't be that much of a different.

Fantastic

 

[BoQ77]

More, the value of pilots.
12 Su-35 need at least 12 pilots
4 F-35 need only 4 pilots

In our air force, they said value of a pilot equals the aircraft he flies.

Yeah, but you use less. You can use 4 F-35 to do 12 Su-35's job......When you are squaring it away, it won't be that much of a different.

Formation of 4 F-35 could utilize the max capability ?

 

[jhungary]

More, the value of pilots.
12 Su-35 need at least 12 pilots
4 F-35 need only 4 pilots

In our air force, they said value of a pilot equals the aircraft he flies.



Formation of 4 F-35 could utilize the max capability ?

4 is the building block of the United States Air Force, You form a flight with 4 aircrafts.

The power of an individual flight is harnessed the best at 4 aircraft per flight, so in a way, yes, a formation of 4 F-35 could utilize the maximum capability.