Ahmedis in a Chakwal village fear for their lives

[Peaceful Civilian]

Now, We need to demolish the terrorists from punjab. Army should take over, and kill All their supporters and sponsors including few sitting in the Parliment.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You believe when Hazrat Isa returns he will be an ummati of the prophet Muhammad (saw), we believe the same. But since all humans die, we believe someone at the same station and role will come in his place. Difference on personality, not role or station of the said person.

the condition for being Muslim is shahada, recite and for Allah you are a Muslim
me and my wahabi brothers can disagree for all you care

 

[VCheng]

the condition for being Muslim is shahada, recite and for Allah you are a Muslim
me and my wahabi brothers can disagree for all you care

Allah may accept that, but your fellow Muslims may not. That is the problem here.

 

[Zarvan]

LOL....ur so full of it!!
There is no debate that you guys have ever won against the Ahmadi arguments (there is no objection thats not already been answered by ahmadis) simple becoz its truth while you are continuing in your rhetoric parrot like stories.
All you guys are good at is oppression and persecution and well we have been taught "Love for all Hatred for None" on the other hand. Our battle is to win hearts and souls. So lets see who wins!

Coming back to the topic, its worrisome that the mosques are under attack but in the end if no human life is taken then I guess you don't need minaret necessarily to convey your prayers to God

I have exposed them and their blatant lies and this hate for none and love for all is one of those lies.

 

[Zarvan]

the condition for being Muslim is shahada, recite and for Allah you are a Muslim
me and my wahabi brothers can disagree for all you care

This is not Wahabi issue this is a consensus issue between barelvis and Deoband and Wahabis and even Shias and all Muslims that who ever doesn't believe that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is not the last PROPHET SAW is not a Muslim reciting kalma is not enough if you are not believing in second most important article of faith

 

[Zarvan]

Allah may accept that, but your fellow Muslims may not. That is the problem here.

ALLAH doesn't he and his PROPHET SAW have made it article of faith which Qadyanis don't believe in

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Allah may accept that, but your fellow Muslims may not. That is the problem here.

I know and by challenging Allah my fellow Muslims wont even bother to check if such second guessing would class them as blasphemers or not , a favourite past time for mob gatherings in Pakistan.


we have superseded our Creator and His Messengers and Prophets in deciding who lives and who dies and who is better or worse Muslim.

 

[VCheng]

we have superseded our Creator and His Messengers and Prophets in deciding who lives and who dies and who is better or worse Muslim.

We, of course, know better than anyone else.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This is not Wahabi issue this is a consensus issue between barelvis and Deoband and Wahabis and even Shias and all Muslims that who ever doesn't believe that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is not the last PROPHET SAW is not a Muslim reciting kalma is not enough if you are not believing in second most important article of faith

so Dr Abus Salam will burn in hell even reciting the Kalima and not harming anyone while those who play footballs with the skulls of our soldiers and blow themselves up in mosques will get to bed 72 virgins in heaven yes?our most celebrated

my views about Khitama of Rissalat are very clear but I cant come to terms with labelling someone infidel, black and white one maybe a bad or weak faithed Muslim but cant be a kafir or non Muslim if he recites the same Shahada that turned a would be assassin of Muhammad PBUH to our most celebrated second Caliph Umar RA.
I dont think Ibn Abbas R.A demanded him of anything more when Umar opened up his heart and submitted to Islam.

I am a simple person when it comes to religion, I dont like to shove it up someone else's nose and believe in benefit of doubt philosophy.
but I pray for myself and everyone to be guided and spared and forgiven

gtg out of here

 

[Zarvan]

We, of course, know better than anyone else.

This matter was decided already by ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW not just some Mullah. Hazrat MUHAMMAD SAW is the last PROPHET and no PROPHET after him and this is article of faith which has to be believed in to be Muslim which Qadyanis don't.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

It's a shame how people take the law into their own hands and attack others. Whether someone is Kafir or not, is irrelevant, no one has the right to violate a persons rights.

As far as Qadiyanis are concerned, the Ulema-ikram of Sunni Barelvi say they are Kuffar! There is no doubt in this matter!

 

[VCheng]

I am a simple person when it comes to religion, I dont like to shove it up someone else's nose and believe in benefit of doubt philosophy.
but I pray for myself and everyone to be guided and spared and forgiven

"Dear World: Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around, and please don't try to shove it down my child's throat."

 

[Zarvan]

so Dr Abus Salam will burn in hell even reciting the Kalima and not harming anyone while those who play footballs with the skulls of our soldiers and blow themselves up in mosques will get to bed 72 virgins in heaven yes?our most celebrated

my views about Khitama of Rissalat are very clear but I cant come to terms with labelling someone infidel, black and white one maybe a bad or weak faithed Muslim but cant be a kafir or non Muslim if he recites the same Shahada that turned a would be assassin of Muhammad PBUH to our most celebrated second Caliph Umar RA.
I dont think Ibn Abbas R.A demanded him of anything more when Umar opened up his heart and submitted to Islam.

I am a simple person when it comes to religion, I dont like to shove it up someone else's nose and believe in benefit of doubt philosophy.
but I pray for myself and everyone to be guided and spared and forgiven

gtg out of here

Declining an article of faith makes a person kafir and Qadyanis deny second most important one so they are not Muslims this issue has consensus of all Muslims. Now as for heaven even no Muslim has guarantee of going to haven unless they follow Islam and those who commit heinous crimes they are for sure bound to hell even if they are Muslims.

 

[rockstar08]

ok so what do we have here ? Pakistani's fighting on the name of Islam as usual , and claim it to be peaceful ...
a bit contradictory ...

now, Ahmadi , they are Muslim or not , Answer is : " Should we care " ?
will Mufti Falan Falan will go in the grave of Ahamdi to be Accountable for his Action ? same goes for some Shia , Ismalie and other sects , calling each other Kafir , will not make any sense but both are Kafir in my Opinion ..

no one actually care for Religion but all they care is the Topic , that will bring thousand of people in the streets Chanting Allah ho Akber, burning houses , mass killings , and blowing themselves up ...

Prophet Muhammad Pbuh was very clear in his Message , Quran is bit Complicated to Understand , but today every local Imam consider himself to the most Holiest potato in the Market of Religion ... you read and memorize some books written by some Mufti and Mullah and you call yourself Al'im , and Start issuing Fatwa's ..

Ahmadi have complete knowledge what they believe , and what others , @Pakistani Exile @Jaanbaz , i guess i'm right here .. ?
same goes with Shia and sunni , we all know about our sect , and what we believe on , they have the message , and so we do have their;s message , let the Allah Decide , something which Mullah dont learn that , its much more better to convince people about your sect , with a health dialog instead of Attacking their worship and killing their people Specially Unarmed ..

for those , there were some False Prophet's appeared over the time , some were declared in Abu bakr's RA era , and than we all know their fate, there is a list of Battles and history what was done by the Rashidun Khalfa's ...now some people may say that , their act's is also unjustified , so that is another debate ...

Islam comes as One entity, Islam basic value was to bind the human in one string , rather than dividing them , the Arabs were worshiping different God's , every tribe has a Different God , so Islam comes to join them , bringing them together to worship one true God ,but still Islam was divided in man different sects , and now these sects are based on hundreds of thousand's people who are peacefully worshiping God , and following their faith ...
If those Jihadi's will ask my Opinion i would say , stop Fighting the war with Non-Muslim , drop Ak-47, take the Quran and go out and preach the people what this Outstanding Religion is ...

stop Fighting on things which is not in our hands , to solve and decide, for types of Zarvan , Allah has made Clear , Prophet Muhammad pbuh made his message loud and clear , anyone who doubt must read his last sermon ..

just stop Attacking each other , and try to love each other , people with different beliefs , and if one has knowledge of sect of Islam must know that their are minor difference between them , you dont need AK and Bombs to solve them , love each other , Allah has set rules for Humanity , Allah will Judge you with your deeds not because you are Muslim so you will get a 240 gaz ka Plot in Defense of Heaven with extra 100 Virgin ..

Allah will give whom he wanted , no one has copy right on heaven , Allah , His Prophet .. Our Prophet ..
this One man ( Muhammad Pbuh ) spend his whole life preaching love and tolerance, even at the time of his death he was worried about his nation more anything ... For God sake , stop killing each other on this man , who were sent as mercy , so have mercy on others as well ...

and still if you ( Muslims ) want to kill each other on bases of sect's , than go and kill each other , you will have a life full of Hatred , disgrace , and even in After life you will burn for eternity ..

 

[Shamain]

Those debating ahmedis being muslim.
Ihave to ask what is the first condition of becoming muslim ,kalima tayyabba, complete kalima with prophet mohammad's name. And quran clearly states whosoever will hold someone prophet after mohammad will not be amongst muslims.

Ahmedis call mirza qadiyani a prophet. Has any of u here ever read his books ?? Excerpts ever?? U will be shocked to hear the hate he has written for all muslims who do not follow him. Trust me i am not lying. U can find his books called khazayen and so many more online.

Ahmedis claim they are a sect of Islam.

May i tell u one thing. Sect means people who follow one only one prophet but with some differences in their practice. There were sects in christianity, prophet was one, hazrat eisa,there were sects in judaism ,prophet was one hazrat moosa. In islam sects are there ,prophet is one.
Ahmediyya is the only one sect who has a different prophet ??? This isnt the definition of sect.
Anyways, iwould suggest ppl to themself read books of mirza qadiyani to know....what he has to say about his non followers. U wont be pleased.

Ahmedis say that mirza ahmed is imam mehdi as well as prophet isa. As we have read in ahadees hazrat isa will return back to the world so they say he is that isa and at the same time imam mehdi too.

Now if one has read authentic ahadees u will never find both to be one person. Secondly, how mirza cud be hazrat eisa.hazrat eisa's mother was maryam and quran says eisa is not dead. That is hazrat eisa will not be reborn but he will be returned back as he was taken up.

Did u even notice in quran whenever prophet eisas name is mentioned he is almost always called as 'eisa ibn e maryam', his mothers name is always mentioned.then how mirza ahmed son of Chiragh bibi(his moms name) be prophet eisa?

Doesnt compute.
I can even write abt the justification that mirza ahmed had given as how he is the same eisa born from hazrat maryam but i will leave it.

Ahmeds always mention 74 incident , do uremember mentioning who had attacked the train carrying muslim madrassah students first? If ur memories serve u right.

Anyways,i just wrote it cuz iwanted 2 share and also cuz there was a comment on previous page claiming' u ppl have never been able to win over us in debate'. Sure come and debate.

As of those emotional ones who would immediately try jumping down my throat telling me to go and kill them, my intention of writing this was not to suggest that.
If we follow a faith then let's know the basics first.
Ihad some closest friends in ahmedis. We did fine together.

On the topic, yes we are a pathetic nation.

And as of orgs like ttp ,isis etc etc,have we not read in quran abt ppl who accept islam from their mouth but they commit acts to damage it. And such ppl are called munafiqeen .and munafiqeen have the worst place in hell of all humans on earth as per quran itself.