Ahmadis fair game for TTP kidnappers

[Burger Boy]

6. The Holy Quoran and the Sunnah should be the guide to tackle this menace. It is better for the State to stay away from this. Like Aga Khani/Ismailis and Bahaiis, Ahmedis are a cancer virus the Western Christian Civilization has injected into the body of Islam through British Intel.

It was an Ismaili who founded Pakistan.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It was an Ismaili who founded Pakistan.

Quaid was a shia.

 

[Burger Boy]

Quaid was a shia.

Ismailis are Shias.

In any case, the Quaid stood for the unity of Muslims of all sects, including Ahmadis. He founded a state with a Muslim character but also promised equal rights to non-Muslims of Pakistan.

I don't know why people here spread so much hatred toward Ahmadis when they are the most peaceful people. If you don't like their beliefs, then just agree to disagree. I'd be much more concerned about Sunni-Salafis than I am about Ahmadis.

 

[nescafe]

there is a secret conspiracy in pakistan by which ahmadi people are given command to important positions...... we all know how strong ahmadis are in pakistan now...they are minute but small...musharraf was an ahmadi [citation needed, but his wife was a known one]..... i support TTP stance against them.....

 

[T-Faz]

I have to answer your extremist propaganda because otherwise some people will take it to be the truth and project it onto other places.

2. Zafrullah Khan was planted in Pak Gov by his Masih to ensure Pakistan never had good relations with Afghanistan. This was in revenge for the slaughter of all Pathan-Afghan Qadyinis on a selected day. The decision for the killings was taken by the "alem" of Afghanistan after Qadyinais started their activities in that country. They reasoned this was not a governmental decision to be taken by the Shah but by the people based on The Quo'ran and Sunnah.The dissensions he sowed never ended between these two Muslim neighbors.

Zafarullah Khan was chosen by Jinnah himself firstly to write the Lahore Resolution and later as the first Foreign Minister.

Increasingly dependent on Muslim support for the war effort in the wake of Congress’ refusal to be forthcoming, Lord Linlithgow had pressed Jinnah to come up with an alternative to the Government of India Act, 1935, and had also asked British India’s foremost constitutional expert, Sir Zafarullah Khan, to draft a memorandum on the idea of two dominion states. It was Zafarullah’s memorandum that was finally adopted by the League in its Lahore session as the ‘Lahore Resolution’.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

On 25th December 1947, Jinnah appointed him the Foreign Minister of Pakistan.

Forgotten: Sir Zafrullah Khan (1893-1985) : ALL THINGS PAKISTAN

It wasn't Zafarullah Khan who initiated the enmity between the Afghanistan and Pakistan, it existed all along because of the boundary issue and the Afghani's always wanted to take Pakhtunwa back from Pakistan.

The Ahmadi(s) stoned to death were Sahibzada Abdul Latif and his companions, he was a well known Afghan, then the richest man in Afghanistan, a preeminent Ulema and a royal advisor. He represented the Afghan side during the Durand commission (1893) before his conversion in 1902.

Sahibzada Abdul Latif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British Indian side was represented by Sir Durand and Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum, another person who become an Ahmadi later. He was instrumental in setting up Muslim League in the frontiers and was later appointed as the Chief Minister of KP.

Sahibzada Abdul Qayyum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. The Masih in his sermon just after 16 Dec 71 from Islamabad, London claimed that Pakistan was broken up by them. Note that Dy Chairman Planning Commission M M Ahmed was seen in every meeting held by the junta leading to the crackdown and massacre on 25 Marcha 71.It also came out in some media at that time that Pakistan was not in a position to repay the loan installment to the lenders in the next schedule. In fact, M M Ahmed was manipulating the junta to go for war to save at least W Pak. All the statistics he was putting up were bogus. In fact Pak economy was healthy.

Pakistan was broken up collectively by Gen. Yahya, Bhutto and various other military men, bureaucrats, industrialists etc. Don't know where you got that story from but you have a lot of odd theories and stories.

MM Ahmed was a civil servant, once the most powerful civil servant and Pakistan's economic specialist, he did not have any role in the break up of Pakistan.

He was instrumental in developing Pakistan's economy rapidly and later getting it loans from the world bank after the separation.

Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Qadyianis want to break up Pak so that they can get a piece of land for themselves. Some sort of commitment from India has already been obtained to include Qadyian in this. After they have been banned from Mecca - Medina, the Masih has obtained a new "ohi" wherein they have been asked to perform Haj at Qadyian which they call Al Aqsa al Mashreq. Indian govt channel Door Darshan and AIR live broadcasts these gatherings at Qadyian.

I know I can't change your brainwashed mindset but most of what you have posted here goes along with the propaganda that JI and other parties dish out on a regular basis.

6. The Holy Quoran and the Sunnah should be the guide to tackle this menace. It is better for the State to stay away from this. Like Aga Khani/Ismailis and Bahaiis, Ahmedis are a cancer virus the Western Christian Civilization has injected into the body of Islam through British Intel.

Please come from Canada and defeat all Ahmadi's, Aga Khani's, Ismaili's, Bahai's etc.

You are a real religious warrior and you must come to FATA immediately to initiate Jihad on every Kufr that you see walking around.

 

[T-Faz]

Quaid was a shia.

He was an Aga Khani (who are Ismaili Shia like Bohra's), later he converted to a Khoja Shia.

He wasn't a practicing Muslim though.

 

[T-Faz]

there is a secret conspiracy in pakistan by which ahmadi people are given command to important positions...... we all know how strong ahmadis are in pakistan now...they are minute but small...musharraf was an ahmadi [citation needed, but his wife was a known one]..... i support TTP stance against them.....

Which important positions?

Musharraf is not an Ahmadi, he is a Sunni but he is not a practicing Muslim.

You support TTP, good for you.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Which important positions?

Musharraf is not an Ahmadi, he is a Sunni but he is not a practicing Muslim.

You support TTP, good for you.

Sorry bro...... dnt know much abt sects and stuff......but Musharraf is also a shia............

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

In any case, the Quaid stood for the unity of Muslims of all sects, including Ahmadis. He founded a state with a Muslim character but also promised equal rights to non-Muslims of Pakistan.
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that is correct....and we need to do a better job respecting his vision for Pakistan. Always room for improvement.

 

[T-Faz]

Sorry bro...... dnt know much abt sects and stuff......but Musharraf is also a shia............

Musharraf cannot be a Shia, his mother was as I have heard.

Musharraf just identifies himself as a Muslim, that is it.

I don't think he cares much about sects and stuff.

Where are you getting the info from?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Musharraf cannot be a Shia, his mother was as I have heard.

Musharraf just identifies himself as a Muslim, that is it.

I don't think he cares much about sects and stuff.

Where are you getting the info from?

Hes frm my fathers parent unit.......also he was my father commander and my father has served under his command several times ....... Also we have family terms with them.....

 

[T-Faz]

Hes frm my fathers parent unit.......also he was my father commander and my father has served under his command several times ....... Also we have family terms with them.....

Yea, I was going to ask you that, your father knows him well.

But you know very well yourself that some of these people do not care much about religion.

 

[asad71]

1. The discussions have moved into controversial/sensitive matters - which moderators may take note of please.

2. That Jinnah was an unusually brilliant man everyone accepts. What is not realized much is that he was an avid listener - a rare quality among leaders. He could be convinced with reasoning. He was utterly honest - morally and intellectually honest. Again a rare quality among politicos. As a young man in England he was totally Anglicized. And that is how he arrived back to become a successful and wealthy barrister in Bombay. His proper introduction to Islam came when he became a leader of IML. Though born into Punja sub-sect of the Ismailis, he quickly understood The Message.

3. And he became a learned and convinced Muslim, one who was interacting with leading "alems" of the day. He married a Parsi lady, but when Rutti died she was buried in a Bombay Muslim graveyard. Again, when Dina, his only child, decided to marry a non-Muslim, he banished her. Jinnah had become an uncompromising Muslim.

4. Having read much about Jinnah I am convinced, had he lived for even a decade more, Pakistan would have adopted Sharia laws and banished all laws, values, systems of the West. His communications with the Saudi King Abdul Aziz at the time would be eye-opening.

5.Ch Zafrullah lies buried in the Bahasti Maqbara, Rabwah. Let us leave him alone and not discuss the Ahmedi tanjim. Pakistan would have done better if it left these things to the "alem" to sort out. FYI, in W Africa there was a time when conversion of locals into "Islam" was at high pace. But eventually the converted soon realized that true Islam lay elsewhere.

6. I do not know how productive Bhutto's exercise in obtaining certificates attesting to the finality of prophet-hood was? There could be some who did not own up. But the other aspect is the spouse. The certificate did not require certification regarding the wife. So Sahiba Mush became a subject of discussion in Pakistan. Became more serious when Bilal, son of the couple married Siddiqui's daughter. The latter's wife was also said to be a Qadyiani. But the issue was inflated by Mush further by surrounding himself with Ahmedi officers/advisers/pals.

7. The point that needs to be looked at seriously by Pakistanis is regarding banning the Ahmedis. During the Cold War the nations that had not banned Communist Parties did so because that would have led to communist underground insurgency. Those who suspect Qadyinais may be working for Blackwater/Xe/Contractors may not be too wrong on that consideration.

 

[Icarus]

there is a secret conspiracy in pakistan by which ahmadi people are given command to important positions...... we all know how strong ahmadis are in pakistan now...they are minute but small...musharraf was an ahmadi [citation needed, but his wife was a known one]..... i support TTP stance against them.....

You are sick, this support will only last as long as someone from your own family does not fall prey to their activities, which should be no problem as everybody is fair game to them. Do you think the women and children in Meena Bazar blast of Peshawar were all Ahmadis ? Or were they all non-muslims ? 200+ died, many were never found.
Consult a psychiatrist, it will do you a world of good.

 

[Tiger Awan]

Well the Islam i follow says that only a State can give punishment and only a state can call for jihad. Its so simple but we have fools living around us who dont check the knowledge of the person. Its so easy to convince them. Like many people first thought that the iodized salt is actually a government scheme for family planning. What you expect from such fools??? TTP can easily use them and create differences in our society.