AH-1Z Viper, 1000 Hellfire II Missiles approved for sale to Pakistan.

[Mace]

One bird at hand is better than two birds at forest.


For large scale of anti armour operations l, I think there is no better choice than Z10.

Few AH1Z won't help, PA need gunship in numbers.

AH1Z with its Hellfire missiles and other munitions brings some semblance of parity with India's Apaches. Z10 does not.

 

[帅的一匹]

AH1Z with its Hellfire missiles and other munitions brings some semblance of parity with India's Apaches. Z10 does not.

few apache wont help

its.too expensive, even India cant afford it in.numbers

 

[LKJ86]

AH1Z with its Hellfire missiles and other munitions brings some semblance of parity with India's Apaches. Z10 does not.

Z-10 ~ 6 tons
AH-1Z ~ 8 tons
AH-64 ~ 10 tons

 

[jhungary]

One bird at hand is better than two birds at forest.


For large scale of anti armour operations l, I think there is no better choice than Z10.

Few AH1Z won't help, PA need gunship in numbers.

Actually, you don't kill all the armoured using Attack Chopper in a major Armoured Operation. Because there are ALWAYS more armoured vehicle than Attack chopper.

With PA armour doctrine, AH-1Z is more suitable than Z-10 because Z-10 lack of communication/scout module that can identified battlefield threat. PA doctrine called for a combine operation which lay a 3 fold attack toward enemy armour, first by tactical strike into enemy armour column, taken down enemy C&C module, then a quick engagement between PA armour and Enemy Armour, and finally a mop up from CAS.

To do that, PA attack chopper needed to have independent scouting and communication capability, to select which target and priority them. Z-10 is a weapon ship, more in a way what Mi-24 is to Russian Army. Which is ironically, how Indian (Pakistan assumed enemy) fights. Which mean Z-10 is more suitable to be used by Indian Army than Pakistan Army

 

[帅的一匹]

Actually, you don't kill all the armoured using Attack Chopper in a major Armoured Operation. Because there are ALWAYS more armoured vehicle than Attack chopper.

With PA armour doctrine, AH-1Z is more suitable than Z-10 because Z-10 lack of communication/scout module that can identified battlefield threat. PA doctrine called for a combine operation which lay a 3 fold attack toward enemy armour, first by tactical strike into enemy armour column, taken down enemy C&C module, then a quick engagement between PA armour and Enemy Armour, and finally a mop up from CAS.

To do that, PA attack chopper needed to have independent scouting and communication capability, to select which target and priority them. Z-10 is a weapon ship, more in a way what Mi-24 is to Russian Army. Which is ironically, how Indian (Pakistan assumed enemy) fights. Which mean Z-10 is more suitable to be used by Indian Army than Pakistan Army

how do you know that Z 10 doesnt have scouting and communication ability?

its really weird that you try to compare Z 10 with Mi 24.

first you need to get air dominance that you can mobolize your helicopeters, especially in flat area, take out those anti air fire power before helicopters get in battle field.
its all about numbers in war, unless the gap is generations.

you need both quality and quantity to win a modern war.

and FYI, modern armed heli can carry SRAAM that can take out each other.

you cant get away with a win by counting only on quality, still remember the Tiger VS T34 case? German was totally overwhelmed in numbers.

as ive said few Apache and AH1z cant do jack shit.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Instead of buying Z-10s, Pakistan should order more T-129 as need arises for a simpler and affordable logistical footprint. And if we are going to be manufacturing any components of T-129 in-house as well, I see no reason at all to go for the Chinese helicopter.

 

[帅的一匹]

Instead of buying Z-10s, Pakistan should order more T-129 as need arises for a simpler and affordable logistical footprint. And if we are going to be manufacturing any components of T-129 in-house as well, I see no reason at all to go for the Chinese helicopter.

Pakistan can get a production liscense for T129 from Turkey.

 

[Signalian]

One bird at hand is better than two birds at forest.


For large scale of anti armour operations l, I think there is no better choice than Z10.

Few AH1Z won't help, PA need gunship in numbers.

AH-1Z reaches the altitude in NW-Pakistan.

 

[帅的一匹]

AH-1Z reaches the altitude in NW-Pakistan.

thats good for anti terrorists operation.

 

[Dazzler]

thats good for anti terrorists operation.

The fact remains that despite odds and misgivings, the AH-1Z is still the most advanced, well equipped and capable option available. The AH-s/f have served the army well during COIN OPS but it is time to lay them to rest as they have served the purpose. Amazingly, the cobras were meant to be used as anti armor gunships. The versatility of that platform is next to nothing.

 

[khanmubashir]

and than some people were claiming that first 4 were already in Pakistan. Along with these choppers, US was to give us 1000 hellfire missiles. Huge miss.



We ain't getting that too because of Made in US engine. Ehhh!



'Angoor khathey hain' - Pakistan situation at the moment.

USA has no problem selling us weapons for money they just stopped the grant which would have been used to pay for cobra
Turkey alredal extended credit line for t@29 to Pak they aouwo buy the engine from USA on own expenses and give the helicopter on credit

 

[帅的一匹]

The fact remains that despite odds and misgivings, the AH-1Z is still the most advanced, well equipped and capable option available. The AH-s/f have served the army well during COIN OPS but it is time to lay them to rest as they have served the purpose. Amazingly, the cobras were meant to be used as anti armor gunships. The versatility of that platform is next to nothing.

so T129 is the choice you have to take

 

[Dazzler]

so T129 is the choice you have to take

The high/low combination as usual, should compromise of:

Zulus will form the top tier

ATAKs/ Z-10s will be workhorse

it turns out that the infrastructure is not ready yet, hence the delay is on us, not the Americans!

 

[Dazzler]

Soon to be delivered...

 

[Imran Khan]

Soon to be delivered...

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