Agneepath scheme, my question.

[fitpOsitive]

Lets see the maths :

It is expected by 10th year, 150K people will be recruited each year via this path (https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...year-vice-chief-of-army-staff-bs-raju-2961079). Assuming none of them are retained after their stint, it will take 7 year to add 1 million trained Agniveers into civilian population. The number of Angiveer youths will stabilize at 2 million in 14 years as you could hardly call a 32 year old a youth.

Now, individually each of this 2 million youth will have 11 Lakhs corpus and 15 lakhs loan which he can take after that 4 year stint in army. Now if this youth section was without such means, they would still be there but with no recourse than to take up criminal activity or jobs which are exploitive in nature. This 11 Lakh corpus money and 15 lakh loan can help them to start a career by taking right education or as a seed fund to setup a small business.

So yes, it is deliberate. Deliberate to give these youth a start in life at a cost of risk to die in military. Other option was a pennyless life leading to crime or exploitation.

Actually whatever you said I knew earlier. That was not the point.

 

[HydraChess]

Actually whatever you said I knew earlier. That was not the point.

If you knew, then whats the point of asking this? :

So what exactly India wants to achieve? Is that saving the properties of Adanis or Mittals or Ambanis from mobs of unemployed youth by using this trained force, or India is planning to build a huge force to attack Pakistan?
Or I have missed something? I am saying this because 4 years of service is nothing...

Isn't it clear what India is trying to do?

"what exactly India wants to achieve?"
- Cheap cannon fodder. No pension liability.
- Money in the hand of trained disciplined youth. Less manpower to criminal activities.

"Is that saving the properties of Adanis or Mittals or Ambanis from mobs of unemployed youth by using this trained force, or India is planning to build a huge force to attack Pakistan?"
None of it.
No one with 11 Lakh INR in hand and 15 lakh line of credit will take a low paid exploitive job. They can easily move up the ladder and take up jobs in government or private sector with enough study.

As far as attacking Pakistan goes, right now, Indian forces stands at 1.2 million people. It out numbers Pakistan in every sense of the word. Also, Pakistan's forces are sold to America so India needs to cut a deal with America to defeat Pakistan. War is a formality. I doubt any futher numbers will give Indian any further advantage in defeating Pakistan.

"Or I have missed something? I am saying this because 4 years of service is nothin"
It is never meant to replace long serving soldiers. About 25% will be offered a permanent service in forces.

 

[jamahir]

For any new country, armed forces are absolute necessary.

I agree in a different way. What even a new country requires is not a traditional warring military but ground, air and water defense forces and special forces and perhaps a strategic deterrent. All this should have an internal security component and all together should be called Police. Anyone having a large invasion-preceding force of aircraft carriers is being directly criminal and imperialist ( NATO ) or being in reaction of that but still being wrong ( Russia, China ) and the second category should be appealed in the name of humanity to not be wrong as the first.

Take the example of Syria. It is rightfully using tanks within to confront NATO's proxies Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood within Syria's borders for the last 11 years. So tanks there are permissible. Now Russia too is using tanks in Ukraine to confront Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists who are utterly evil. Here too tanks are permissible. But I don't see the point of wrong political, social and socio-economic systems like in India, Pakistan and USA maintaining huge militaries and taking aggressive external-facing stances and actions when those militaries should have instead used their resources to bring progressive change in their own societies. OK, at least in Pakistan in 1951 there were some Communist and Socialist military personnel who along with like-minded civilians tried to takeover governance and bring progressive change. Sad that didn't come through.

@Joe Shearer @Bilal9 @Mentee @Goenitz

Although I take Modi and Amit Shah as absolute patriots

No, Modi and Shah are not patriots but utter traitors. Please read these two threads :

Who is the anti-national in India ?

The Hindutva right-wing groups ( BJP, RSS etc ) in India and their many supporters in the visual and print media, on Twitter and on various websites are fond of assigning the phrase "anti-national" and so demonizing certain groups who either revolt against the right-wingers or don't fit into the...

defence.pk

and they call us anti-national

They call us anti-national: Anand Patwardhan Scroll 21 January 2016 Their founding fathers came from the most conservative Brahmin castes, with enormous faith in the culture that empowered them. They opposed the mainstream secular freedom struggle and started to mobilise along religious lines...

defence.pk

 

[fitpOsitive]

I agree in a different way. What even a new country requires is not a traditional warring military but ground, air and water defense forces and special forces and perhaps a strategic deterrent. All this should have an internal security component and all together should be called Police. Anyone having a large invasion-preceding force of aircraft carriers is being directly criminal and imperialist ( NATO ) or being in reaction of that but still being wrong ( Russia, China ) and the second category should be appealed in the name of humanity to not be wrong as the first.

Take the example of Syria. It is rightfully using tanks within to confront NATO's proxies Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood within Syria's borders for the last 11 years. So tanks there are permissible. Now Russia too is using tanks in Ukraine to confront Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists who are utterly evil. Here too tanks are permissible. But I don't see the point of wrong political, social and socio-economic systems like in India, Pakistan and USA maintaining huge militaries and taking aggressive external-facing stances and actions when those militaries should have instead used their resources to bring progressive change in their own societies. OK, at least in Pakistan in 1951 there were some Communist and Socialist military personnel who along with like-minded civilians tried to takeover governance and bring progressive change. Sad that didn't come through.

@Joe Shearer @Bilal9 @Mentee @Goenitz



No, Modi and Shah are not patriots but utter traitors. Please read these two threads :

Who is the anti-national in India ?

The Hindutva right-wing groups ( BJP, RSS etc ) in India and their many supporters in the visual and print media, on Twitter and on various websites are fond of assigning the phrase "anti-national" and so demonizing certain groups who either revolt against the right-wingers or don't fit into the...

defence.pk

and they call us anti-national

They call us anti-national: Anand Patwardhan Scroll 21 January 2016 Their founding fathers came from the most conservative Brahmin castes, with enormous faith in the culture that empowered them. They opposed the mainstream secular freedom struggle and started to mobilise along religious lines...

defence.pk

So I see it heading either towards attack on Pakistan or disintegration of India...

 

[jamahir]

So I see it heading either towards attack on Pakistan or disintegration of India...

Well, I don't know now about your first option but there won't be disintegration of India. What instead will be is beginning of migrations to other countries as per the beliefs of the migrators and then civil war with those who want to stay. The Agniveer cadre is also towards this end.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Well, I don't know now about your first option but there won't be disintegration of India. What instead will be is beginning of migrations to other countries as per the beliefs of the migrators and then civil war with those who want to stay. The Agniveer cadre is also towards this end.

I think, and it's my opinion only, that first attack on Pakistan, large casualties on Indian side, and the disintegration of India, and then attack on Indian states...

But that's only my opinion...

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

There are two problems with it that sets the idiots off

It is proposed by the Modi govt.
The other one is - (most of) you haven't read it.

 

[fitpOsitive]

@Joe Shearer @jamahir
You guys can categorise me as delusional. It's OK. But my opinion is based on predictions, on current affairs, accounts of previous nations that existed, and some salt added by me.
And I may be wrong, no doubt in it.

 

[Leishangthem]

Always expect the most inhumane dictTORLIKE scheme from a so-called biggest democracy on the planet. No other nation would condone such inhumane act.

Several countries have 2-3 years compulsory military service after high school. This is just a volunteer version of that. If you want to do it, then do it, no one is forcing you to join it and become unemployed after a few years. I assure you no one plannning to become a software dev or engineer or doctor or accountant or finance professional will chose it and ruin his career. The only people who will go for it is those who either really want to join the army, or those who didn't want to go to college to further study anyway, or maybe those who wouldn't even get into any mediocre college with the grades they have. So this is an opportunity for those who don't wan't to further study and have no plans to at least do something with their life, join it for a few years, earn some money, build fitness and then if you are really good, you will be retained after few years.

The biggest disadvantage of this scheme is that those who really wanted to join the army now have no guarantee of employment. Only 1/4th of the people who join the scheme will be made permanent, so imagine those who have been trying for last 2-3 years to get in and have planned their enitre lives knowing that they will get in the army, they have spent last few years trying to meet the physical/educational parameters, and if they knew about this earlier, maybe they would have opted for another path... so obviously they are devastated and really really pissed and rightfully so.
Another disadvantage is that this scheme risks bringing in low morale people at the cost of people who really wanted to join the army. Imagine someone who doesnt really care about the army, but he performs better in the 4 years than the guy who really wanted to join for a lifetime, so after 4 years, the guy who really wanted to join will lose his spot to the other guy, which is really not good.

Advantage of the scheme is more money for acquiring heavy weapons and Research and development, since currently most money goes to pensions and salaries.

How's other countries 2 months mandatory service equal to GOl'S plan of young reserves force for meat grinder to save pension funds? 4 years for 17-24 years old are the most vital period,after that most of them will be released as jobless and without proper education,with few acceptance. The other nations aren't trying the save money on pension while dreaming big without the economy to back.
Indians always have this habit of drawing parallel with random practices of other nations which are not even similar,like they think everyone has low lQ and lack mental aptitude to not find their low intelligence scamming antics.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer @jamahir
You guys can categorise me as delusional. It's OK. But my opinion is based on predictions, on current affairs, accounts of previous nations that existed, and some salt added by me.
And I may be wrong, no doubt in it.

I think that scenario is a little far-fetched, wouldn't go so far as to call it delusional.

You see, our soldiers, sailors and airmen are still brave and will not step back from a fight. Our politicians are a different matter. They are bullies; bullies are nothing but cowards in large numbers facing helpless people who are in small numbers. The chances of their agreeing to something as scary as violence that might kill them are negligible.

 

[Skimming]

See whatever is the reason, whatever is the situation, this will boil down to only one thing: millions and millions of trained unemployed young men.
And seems like this is being deliberately done.

Wrong!

Under the Agnipath scheme, the youngest lot to be rejected would be 21 years of age and the oldest lot to be rejected would be 25 years of age.

At 25, civilians search for first or second job empty handed.

But the rejected ex-agnipaths would have the security of 11 lakhs rupees (non-taxable) in addition to the option of looking for first civilian job. Some would have the advantage of having reservations in paramilitary institutions.

So who would have more advantage and who would be happier? Civilians or ex-Agnipaths?