Aga Khan Speaks Out As Pakistan's Ismaili Shiites Reel From First Major Attack Against Community

[JonAsad]

Ismaelis and other minorities should stay- we the not so tolerant sunnis who lost 60000+ lives because of terrorism should leave ASAP--

 

[Dubious]

10 days in 20 years

Hmmm.......

 

[Hyperion]

140 days in 20 years. Is that more like it?

Hmmm.......

 

[Dubious]

Woman, I'm well aware of who's who.

. Take my word for it. If you can't, then ask others who are fighting pitch battles with these folks.

I hate everyone who generalizes....basically you fall in that category...

 

[I.R.A]

If you are one of ASWJ followers, may Allah's wrath also visit your house. Enough is enough!

Read the whole thing you screwed mental case. Read from where he asked for to provide him with an instance where other than Shia mosques were attacked and gave him three cases. Then he came up with this gem. And go read my comment again and then declare me Kafir or ASWJ blah blah whatever suits your mental capacity.

 

[WAJsal]

a. Ismailis are a community who are loyal only to their Imam - not to any national identity or even Islam.

Wrong , they are very patriotic . They also contribute to Pakistan army as well as the GB scouts etc ,etc .

g. Ismailis are openly seeking a separate state in Hunza area. They already fly a flag and sport emblems they have fashioned for this. Also a tentative national anthem.

Wrong , completely wrong . I have a huge family in Hunza . I go there from time to time . I have interacted with the locals , they are very patriotic , i'm sorry if you are going to make things up . It's not working .
@Irfan Baloch , look at his original post , he is simply accusing a peaceful community , which has helped Pakistan ,in many ways .

 

[Dubious]

140 days in 20 years. Is that more like it?

close to 600 days in 20 yrs....Winter breaks (worth 1 mth) for 20 yrs were spend in Pakistan

If you are one of ASWJ followers,

Doesnt that sound like what the people you so called hate do? Label others with some label be it kafir or be it wahabi....You are equally giving off labels as those you hate and claim they label....


Again my question how different are you than them? They spread hatred, they are pointing fingers and they are also giving labels...Which part of the basics did you do different? @Hyperion

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wrong , they are very patriotic . They also contribute to Pakistan army as well as the GB scouts etc ,etc .

Wrong , completely wrong . I have a huge family in Hunza . I go there from time to time . I have interacted with the locals , they are very patriotic , i'm sorry if you are going to make things up . It's not working .
@Irfan Baloch , look at his original post , he is simply accusing a peaceful community , which has helped Pakistan ,in many ways .

I cant just delete or ban him for his views. there is an article on dawn which talks about our Apathy because we are in majority and we are stronger so we have dismissive view about the minorities or in some cases very genocidal as well. TTP is a mindset .. killing some of their front operators wont change a thing.

I tell you more. A majority of "innocent" Pakistanis think.. I am sorry they believe and they Know that the Grand Mosque siege was caused by Iranian shias although it was the same cult of wahabis which has mutated into ISIS today and was called Khwarij in the past and is known as TTP in Pakistan.
the usual response you will get after such tragedies as Karachi from some bigots will be like this

Ismalis are very rich
Zardari is shia

so? does it mean these people are correct to justify the killings?
'Pakistanis need to counter apathy' - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[WAJsal]

I cant just delete or ban him for his views.

And for false propaganda . This is simply unacceptable . I know the locals , i know have family there . This is unacceptable . Who and how did he figure this out . So if i start typing propaganda , mods won't do anything . There is a thing called views , which is what you analyse given the subject . It's not view , it's a lie , best part is you agree with me .
"Ismailis are openly seeking a separate state in Hunza area. They already fly a flag and sport emblems they have fashioned for this. Also a tentative national anthem."

there is an article on dawn which talks about our Apathy because we are in majority and we are stronger so we have dismissive view about the minorities or in some cases very genocidal as well. TTP is a mindset .. killing some of their front operators wont change a thing

Have to disagree . WTH happened to DAWN .

so? does it mean these people are correct to justify the killings?

You should ask those who are living in this delusion.

The Ismailis should kill random 43 deobandis in GB right now. As I said, there's only one way to fight you guys.

I believe this is also what you might call "his views," @Irfan Baloch ?

 

[Dubious]

You do realize ASWJ is the new face of Sipah-e-Sahaba do you? It's highly appreciable that their major men got killed in Islamabad of all the places in broad daylight. Most of those ASWJ guys are imports from plains of Punjab anyway, who took "panga" with the local shiites.

I dont care who is who....one who supports killing or is killing or has been killing in my country should not even be considered a human being

And those two attacks were the only cases you could find on the internet, hence you going as far as Madhya Pradesh. You lost 1 guy in targetted killing compared to 43 Ismailis just gunned down in one day, and you cry like a bitch. We'll be even when 200 deobandis get killed in a single day like those Hazaras in Quetta. The Ismailis should kill random 43 deobandis in GB right now. As I said, there's only one way to fight you guys.

2 wrongs doesnt make a right....

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

My brothers, it doe not matter if sunnis are killed more than shia and vice-versa. Please do not lose site of what is right and wrong! Halal and Haram! Killing INNOCENT people is HARAM!

“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him” [al-Nisa’ 4:93]

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Tableeghi Jamaat activist killed in ‘sectarian’ attack - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Tablighi Markaz attacked

@Winchester

and here one from India

African Tablighi Jamaat team attacked in MP; Muslim leaders condemn it, appeal for peace



Calm down you are a reasonable person, and I would not like loosing another sane Pakistani to this complex problem at our hand.

At least the attack at wagah was on Pakistanis or was not it? And I don't believe people at Wagah were sunnis only. We have to fight this but not as ignorant and not by hating each other and divided.




???????? Are you sure? Or you are mixing up Ismailis with Qadiyanis?



What can I say then except that what I told you is true. And they are conscious about it.



And as if Iran has not provided arms to "Afghan Taliban" after US invasion of Afghanistan. Right

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And for false propaganda . This is simply unacceptable . I know the locals , i know have family there . This is unacceptable . Who and how did he figure this out . So if i start typing propaganda , mods won't do anything . There is a thing called views , which is what you analyse given the subject . It's not view , it's a lie , best part is you agree with me .
"Ismailis are openly seeking a separate state in Hunza area. They already fly a flag and sport emblems they have fashioned for this. Also a tentative national anthem."

Have to disagree . WTH happened to DAWN .

You should ask those who are living in this delusion.


I believe this is also what you might call "his views," @Irfan Baloch ?

I have taken out his views but this wont help us to get anywhere
I know we have some posters here who have very depraved views about other ethnicities and religions but then again their presence gives us ordinary peace loving Muslims (funny to use these words together) a chance to expose them, confront them and strengthen our resolve and better our response peacefully.

but for sure we will keep taking actions against very vile posts against other faiths and nationalities


but listen

why do shais, christians, Ahemdis and Hindus etc have to prove their loyalty and their patriotism to the country?

after what we have done to them on an industrial scale for decades... why still we should demand their loyalty?

I dont see anyone making a demand from the TTP and its front political organisations? no one has demanded a treason case against Lal masjid cleric who has announced his allegiance to ISIS and invited Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi to Pakistan. they are all called brothers who have picked their arms against Pakistan and killed our women and children too.

SO What IF... these persecuted groups are NOT that willing and exited to express their national allegiance to Pakistan? do they need to be persecuted just because they follow a different faith?
Apathy and bigotry at its worse man. we harmed ourselves more than anyone else and biggest casualty here is our humanity

 

[3.14159]

why do shais, christians, Ahemdis and Hindus etc have to prove their loyalty and their patriotism to the country?

after what we have done to them on an industrial scale for decades... why still we should demand their loyalty?

I dont see anyone making a demand from the TTP and its front political organisations? no one has demanded a treason case against Lal masjid cleric who has announced his allegiance to ISIS and invited Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi to Pakistan. they are all called brothers who have picked their arms against Pakistan and killed our women and children too.

SO What IF... these persecuted groups are NOT that willing and exited to express their national allegiance to Pakistan? do they need to be persecuted just because they follow a different faith?
Apathy and bigotry at its worse man. we harmed ourselves more than anyone else and biggest casualty here is our humanity

1. These are very good questions to ask, but who is going to answer them?

2. For observers outside Pakistan, this sort of questionings make it look as if the whole country is a hotbed of anarrchy and terrorism.

3. Obviously, that is not true because Pakistan has many positive thing to give to itself and world. But it get difficult to appreciate good when it is buried by so much bad.

4. Loyalty and patriotism are strange concepts when they are made to be from one point of view only without any diversity allowed, which is what seems to be happenings in Pakistan.

5. Your last words mean that you are calling Pakistanis inhumanity. That is not correct.

 

[WAJsal]

I have taken out his views but this wont help us to get anywhere

It will ,considering wrong information will not be projected to anyone . Suppose someone reads these false information and by his fault starts believing in them . He will perceive Hunzik (people from Hunza) as traitor etc ,etc . You got my point .
on topic:

I know we have some posters here who have very depraved views about other ethnicities and religions but then again their presence gives us ordinary peace loving Muslims (funny to use these words together) a chance to expose them, confront them and strengthen our resolve and better our response peacefully.

I agree . But they should be let go unpunished , in this case ban or whatever .

why do shais, christians, Ahemdis and Hindus etc have to prove their loyalty and their patriotism to the country?

I know right ? What have they done to deserve this sort of treatment .
I believe TTP or any other group simply has one motive that is to attack and instigate hatred between these sects .To weaken us from inside ,so they can continue doing whatever they are , expanding themselves whatever , establish their regime . it's quite a well thought out , intelligent plan ,and i know they can't do this alone , without help . Have you not seen how brilliantly , more like barbarically , they have targeted soft spots in last couple of months . I still think all of these attacks in different part of the country are interconnected , considering the type of targets they are choosing .
Targeted attacks

Carry out regular assassinations of labour force, Assassinate police, army and paramilitary personale

Kill or kidnap Chinese citizens.

Assassinate random teachers, professors

Assassinate Shia doctors

Assassinate Punjabi businessmen.

Assassinate prominent members based on sect and ethnicity

Attack rescue and response units, ambush civilian and military relief teams. Attack polio teams

Assassinate moderate Sunni clerics that are vocally against Sunni extremists

Assassinate 2nd and third tier politicians preferably from minority sects

Mass casualty attacks

Target shia community during its religious gatherings. Target ordinary Sunni mosques with no political or extremist affiliations. Time the killings to appear as reprisal attack from shia on sunni and vice versa. Use of vehicle based bombs, suicide bombers and group of assailants ensuring close to hundred or over casualties.

I still don't get those posters who say this is ethnic war , can't they see who is behind this . May god bless us .

I dont see anyone making a demand from the TTP and its front political organisations? no one has demanded a treason case against Lal masjid cleric who has announced his allegiance to ISIS and invited Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi to Pakistan. they are all called brothers who have picked their arms against Pakistan and killed our women and children too.

The state itself has failed to do anything . I can't see one ministers speaking against these traitors .
I feel for all those poor souls who are mislead by these blood-sucking so-called mullahs . Oh how i want to get rid of them myself . These poor souls are mislead into false beliefs . And you know what happens next .

Apathy and bigotry at its worse man. we harmed ourselves more than anyone else and biggest casualty here is our humanity

I agree .