Afzal khan and treachery of Shivaji

[SrNair]

It does not matter what it means. When i say aryan i mean original Indo-European speakers who came from outside South Asia! Because OIT is nonsense and no one take it seriously. And no there is nothing in between. Either they came from outside south asia or we believe in hindutva OIT.



First of all its your own inferiorty complex coming out, when i believed in white racist theory? North Europeans has been utter failure a part from last 300 years, but now they are way ahead. And south asians are miserable. Now don't come with bs that not believing in OIT mean being white racists.

Again Gandhara influence which is Pakistani civilization. Cholas who proudly claimied ancestry from Rig Vedic tribe. As i said in Pakistan more impressive temples were destroyed. South India was left alone so they could develop these temples. Also can you post wiki links of these temples so i can learn more about them?

We dont claim about OIT.But when Britishers experienced the advancement of Indian civilization during their invasion.They become envy about India and want the credit of Indian civilization.Because then only they claim that White are superiror than Indians and also justification of looting of India.AIT is the manifestation of that effort of Britian and their rulers.
So we gave little importance to that BS.

 

[bronxbull]

Ghilzai is confused person with identity crisis. He said that he spits on afghans and dont want to associate with afghanistan. On the other hand is associating himself with ghaur here.
He is so stupid that by calling pritviraj chauhan coward and weak, he is actually reducing the wieght of shahbudin ghauri's final victory over chauhan. If ghauri got defeated in first war then it means chauhan was quite powerful.

I see it as a fight of equals and that was a very important huge victory,i dont want to take sides and say that ohh he lost,his words seems like he was a teenage fan of some cricket/football team instead of realizing the nature of real conflicts.

It saddens me that our maharaja prithviraj chauhan lost the battle but i should have maturity to see it as a real conflict rather than my team winning or losing.

regardless,i dont want to talk more.

I wish there were more people with righteous pride like you.

What achievements what history what civilisation?.

Indus etc is not yours it belongs to people who live in it who have brought it.

Another Dravidian trying to claim This as his ha ha ha ha

ghilzai,

u have zero auqaat to say that pathan conquered this and thus we?

those are individual conquests,unko apnana hain toh kam se kam army mein toh shamil ho jaa?

yahaan baitke zabaan chalaane,

Stop living in past dude,those days are long gone.with modern training everyone is almost at same level

with all due respect,feeling motivated from your tribal identity is nothing wrong,training can be modern but the will to indulge yourself in the tough training programs come from inner motivation and that comes from your religious/ethnic/nationalistic/tribal identities alone.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

The Ghakkars fought Ranjit Singh's forces. Do you have a link to show they sided with him?

The people of Azad Kashmir sided with the Pakhtuns.

Kashmiri muslims stayed neutral while kashmiri hindus invited ranjeet singh to conquer kashmir from Afghans.
In 1947 kashmiri muslims and pashtun tribesmen fought side by side but india spread the propagand that tribesmen are looting, killing and raping kashmiri muslims, justifying their intervention in kashmir.
Unfortunately many pakistanis like @syedali73,@Spring Onion believe this indian propaganda. This propaganda was spread by dogra raj and india to mask the atrocities dogra forces committed against indian muslims.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

I see it as a fight of equals and that was a very important huge victory,i dont want to take sides and say that ohh he lost,his words seems like he was a teenage fan of some cricket/football team instead of realizing the nature of real conflicts.

It saddens me that our maharaja prithviraj chauhan lost the battle but i should have maturity to see it as a real conflict rather than my team winning or losing.

regardless,i dont want to talk more.

I wish there were more people with righteous pride like you.



ghilzai,

u have zero auqaat to say that pathan conquered this and thus we?

those are individual conquests,unko apnana hain toh kam se kam army mein toh shamil ho jaa?

yahaan baitke zabaan chalaane,


with all due respect,feeling motivated from your tribal identity is nothing wrong,training can be modern but the will to indulge yourself in the tough training programs come from inner motivation and that comes from your religious/ethnic/nationalistic/tribal identities alone.

I see it as a fight of equals and that was a very important huge victory,i dont want to take sides and say that ohh he lost,his words seems like he was a teenage fan of some cricket/football team instead of realizing the nature of real conflicts.

It saddens me that our maharaja prithviraj chauhan lost the battle but i should have maturity to see it as a real conflict rather than my team winning or losing.

regardless,i dont want to talk more.

I wish there were more people with righteous pride like you.



ghilzai,

u have zero auqaat to say that pathan conquered this and thus we?

those are individual conquests,unko apnana hain toh kam se kam army mein toh shamil ho jaa?

yahaan baitke zabaan chalaane,


with all due respect,feeling motivated from your tribal identity is nothing wrong,training can be modern but the will to indulge yourself in the tough training programs come from inner motivation and that comes from your religious/ethnic/nationalistic/tribal identities alone.

No matter from which angle we look at it, rajputs defended their homeland from invasions, proud nations do that.
History is very complex, chief of rohilla afghans zabita khan and his son ghulam qadir allied themeselves with sikhs against mughal-maratha. Nizam joined forces with marathas against mysore.

 

[bronxbull]

No matter from which angle we look at it, rajputs defended their homeland from invasions, proud nations do that.
History is very complex, chief of rohilla afghans zabita khan and his son ghulam qadir allied themeselves with sikhs against mughal-maratha. Nizam joined forces with marathas against mysore.

No no,it was different.

Rohilla Pathans supported Abdali(Naturally),Sikh Misls stayed neutral and let Abdali pass through till the Yamuna as they did not want Marathas ruling in Delhi,Rajputs also kept quiet and had a ego battle with the Marathas.

But yeah Nizam joined with the Marathas and later the British against Tipu Sultan.

Kashmiri muslims stayed neutral while kashmiri hindus invited ranjeet singh to conquer kashmir from Afghans.
In 1947 kashmiri muslims and pashtun tribesmen fought side by side but india spread the propagand that tribesmen are looting, killing and raping kashmiri muslims, justifying their intervention in kashmir.
Unfortunately many pakistanis like @syedali73,@Spring Onion believe this indian propaganda. This propaganda was spread by dogra raj and india to mask the atrocities dogra forces committed against indian muslims.

They could have done that looting/pillaging/raping unless you are sure they did not,

Dogra slaughter of Muslims in Jammu was revenge against the same thing in Sialkot/Jhelum/KPK.

well,all this is just nauseating but yeah the wars were not purely religious.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

No no,it was different.

Rohilla Pathans supported Abdali(Naturally),Sikh Misls stayed neutral and let Abdali pass through till the Yamuna as they did not want Marathas ruling in Delhi,Rajputs also kept quiet and had a ego battle with the Marathas.

But yeah Nizam joined with the Marathas and later the British against Tipu Sultan.



They could have done that looting/pillaging/raping unless you are sure they did not,

Dogra slaughter of Muslims in Jammu was revenge against the same thing in Sialkot/Jhelum/KPK.

well,all this is just nauseating but yeah the wars were not purely religious.

Rohillas of najib khan supported abdali. But in 1774 they were defeated by anglo-audh forces. His son zabita khan joined forces with sikhs. Son of zabita khan, ghulam qadir rohilla occupied delhi with sikhs and looted it. Marathas had to come rescue shah alam from crazy ghulam qadir.
My point is that we cant view history in black and white, mostly it is shaded grey. Marathas also had muslim soldiers when they fought afghans. After panipat war shuja ud daula turned against rohillas and destroyed them even though they fought togather in panipat.

 

[waz]

Kashmiri muslims stayed neutral while kashmiri hindus invited ranjeet singh to conquer kashmir from Afghans.
In 1947 kashmiri muslims and pashtun tribesmen fought side by side but india spread the propagand that tribesmen are looting, killing and raping kashmiri muslims, justifying their intervention in kashmir.
Unfortunately many pakistanis like @syedali73,@Spring Onion believe this indian propaganda. This propaganda was spread by dogra raj and india to mask the atrocities dogra forces committed against indian muslims.

Kashmir's Muslims did not stay neutral, they fought the Sikh empire. I'm talking about the Pakistani side here. Taken from a thread I posted on a few weeks back.

Wіth the rise оf Sikh power іn Punjab, Maharaja Ranjit Singhestablished hіs supremacy аnd set hіs eyes оn the Chibh states оf Bhimber аnd Khari Khariyali. Іn 1810, а force wаs sent against Raja Sultan Khan оf Bhimber аnd wаs met wіth fierce resistance. However, іn 1812 another Sikh army under prince Kharak Singh defeated Sultan Khan аnd the Bhimber state wаs annexed аs Jagir оf Kharak Singh. Around the same time, Ranjit Singh acquired Gujrat аnd invaded Khari Khariyali ruled by Raja Umar Khan. Raja Umar Khan made peace wіth Ranjit Singh. But before а settlement cоuld be made, he died аnd the state аnd Mirpur became part оf Ranjit Singh's territories.

Mirpur


By the way the 1810 battle is remembered by many people from my region as the day we beat back a far larger and better equipped Sikh army. Sultan Khan Bhimberi is a hero and legend to us all.


Two things also, the Mirpuris make up a part of Azad Kashmir and much of the revolts and wars were led by the people of Kotli, Bhimber, Muzzaffrabad and tribes like the Sudhans.


Agree with the rest. Had there been killing of Kashmiris by our Pakhtun brothers, we would never have fought side by side.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Kashmir's Muslims did not stay neutral, they fought the Sikh empire. I'm talking about the Pakistani side here. Taken from a thread I posted on a few weeks back.

Wіth the rise оf Sikh power іn Punjab, Maharaja Ranjit Singhestablished hіs supremacy аnd set hіs eyes оn the Chibh states оf Bhimber аnd Khari Khariyali. Іn 1810, а force wаs sent against Raja Sultan Khan оf Bhimber аnd wаs met wіth fierce resistance. However, іn 1812 another Sikh army under prince Kharak Singh defeated Sultan Khan аnd the Bhimber state wаs annexed аs Jagir оf Kharak Singh. Around the same time, Ranjit Singh acquired Gujrat аnd invaded Khari Khariyali ruled by Raja Umar Khan. Raja Umar Khan made peace wіth Ranjit Singh. But before а settlement cоuld be made, he died аnd the state аnd Mirpur became part оf Ranjit Singh's territories.

Mirpur


By the way the 1810 battle is remembered by many people from my region as the day we beat back a far larger and better equipped Sikh army. Sultan Khan Bhimberi is a hero and legend to us all.


Two things also, the Mirpuris make up a part of Azad Kashmir and much of the revolts and wars were led by the people of Kotli, Bhimber, Muzzaffrabad and tribes like the Sudhans.


Agree with the rest. Had there been killing of Kashmiris by our Pakhtun brothers, we would never have fought side by side.

Sudhans are sadozais?

 

[waz]

Sudhans are sadozais?

Yes.

 

[dawn_news]

Kashmiri muslims stayed neutral while kashmiri hindus invited ranjeet singh to conquer kashmir from Afghans.
In 1947 kashmiri muslims and pashtun tribesmen fought side by side but india spread the propagand that tribesmen are looting, killing and raping kashmiri muslims, justifying their intervention in kashmir.
Unfortunately many pakistanis like @syedali73,@Spring Onion believe this indian propaganda. This propaganda was spread by dogra raj and india to mask the atrocities dogra forces committed against indian muslims.

These were not ethnic Kashmiris Waz is talking about, but Pakistani side Kashmir Azad Kashmir. Two different groups.

Kashmir's Muslims did not stay neutral, they fought the Sikh empire. I'm talking about the Pakistani side here. Taken from a thread I posted on a few weeks back.

Wіth the rise оf Sikh power іn Punjab, Maharaja Ranjit Singhestablished hіs supremacy аnd set hіs eyes оn the Chibh states оf Bhimber аnd Khari Khariyali. Іn 1810, а force wаs sent against Raja Sultan Khan оf Bhimber аnd wаs met wіth fierce resistance. However, іn 1812 another Sikh army under prince Kharak Singh defeated Sultan Khan аnd the Bhimber state wаs annexed аs Jagir оf Kharak Singh. Around the same time, Ranjit Singh acquired Gujrat аnd invaded Khari Khariyali ruled by Raja Umar Khan. Raja Umar Khan made peace wіth Ranjit Singh. But before а settlement cоuld be made, he died аnd the state аnd Mirpur became part оf Ranjit Singh's territories.

Mirpur


By the way the 1810 battle is remembered by many people from my region as the day we beat back a far larger and better equipped Sikh army. Sultan Khan Bhimberi is a hero and legend to us all.


Two things also, the Mirpuris make up a part of Azad Kashmir and much of the revolts and wars were led by the people of Kotli, Bhimber, Muzzaffrabad and tribes like the Sudhans.


Agree with the rest. Had there been killing of Kashmiris by our Pakhtun brothers, we would never have fought side by side.

Damn our home is near Bhimber Nala But in Punjab

Sudhans are sadozais?

They are Mohyal Brahmin converts not pashtun decent. They sided with pashtuns though.

 

[dawn_news]

We dont claim about OIT.But when Britishers experienced the advancement of Indian civilization during their invasion.They become envy about India and want the credit of Indian civilization.Because then only they claim that White are superiror than Indians and also justification of looting of India.AIT is the manifestation of that effort of Britian and their rulers.
So we gave little importance to that BS.

That doesnt change the fact Indo-European original homeland was not South Asia. There is difference between Nazi aryan theory which is similar to OIT hindutva version just different name.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

These were not ethnic Kashmiris Waz is talking about, but Pakistani side Kashmir Azad Kashmir. Two different groups.



Damn our home is near Bhimber Nala But in Punjab



They are Mohyal Brahmin converts not pashtun decent. They sided with pashtuns though.

A kashmiri told me that he is sudhan and they are sadozai. I dont know much about them.

 

[SrNair]

That doesnt change the fact Indo-European original homeland was not South Asia. There is difference between Nazi aryan theory which is similar to OIT hindutva version just different name.

AIT is a wrong theory .I dont know the validity of OIT.But my #271 post is basic reason for AIT.

 

[dawn_news]

A kashmiri told me that he is sudhan and they are sadozai. I dont know much about them.

Yes now days some have started to claim that because of similar sounding name. But are not actually pashtun decent.

AIT is a wrong theory .I dont know the validity of OIT.But my #271 post is basic reason for AIT.

Yes AIT-OIT both are wrong and Indians speaking Indo-European languages is just by chance. Excelent logic

 

[SrNair]

Yes now days some have started to claim that because of similar sounding name. But are not actually pashtun decent.



Yes AIT-OIT both are wrong and Indians speaking Indo-European languages is just by chance. Excelent logic

Aehh Mr.logic.Just google about India's history.You will get answer.India created its own civilization.It is correct ,foreign invasion happens in our history .And our culture and language absorbs some parts of invading culture .But still we follow that basic Indian culture and religion even if there is some slightest change it is still indigenous.
You may boast and claim that your culture is similar to that barabarian invaders.But our civilization is created us by our own hardwork.So we dont believe in AIT bullshit.