Afzal khan and treachery of Shivaji

[Jaggu]

why do all the threads turn into flame wars? Take it easy guys. Lets discuss these great historical events like mature individuals living in the modern world instead of like school yard children.

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Dude,

It is this ghizali idiot who started this.

Ignore the racist trolls, they live a pathetic life and need a space to vent out

 

[dawn_news]

Music still uses the ragas given by our ancestors in the subcontinent

The only thing chamar sikh have given is proof of how low human iq can get.

A classical case of frontal brain lobotomy done in **** Madrassas or even schools for that matter.You people believe that history ends at IVC and restarts with Bin-Qasim.


India does not require IVC or even Veda's to establish cultural supremacy over lowlifes like you. Even if we discount them completely,we still have 2000 years of history and culture to be proud of. Golden age of Indian science and Mathematics lies between 300-500AD.

Even so called dravidians have achieved higher greater civilizational zenith than your useless turd of a race.

And you need not look back into distant past;look at the situation of both races today. You maggoty ghizali tribe is nothing but a pretend turkic goat humping bacchabaz's who are reviled and squatted by everyone and have highest prostitutes per capita while living on handouts of other countries compared to Indians whose country is on ascendancy.

You have no culture, no contribution to the world that you could call your's and nothing which could carry legacy of your pathetic race forward.


@INDIC I am going to sleep. Take care of this pathetic troll with hyper inflated ego.And provide him with proofs if this useless sub-human creature needs some.

He is Pakistani, don't confuse him with your Afghani friend pak-one. Indians are sorry race, if one can even call them human race. Even your last 2000 years of civilization is basically passed down from pure land to primitive beings of India. This is historical fact which no can deny, all you can say we all were one lol and then see us spit in your ugly faces. Anyway i don't know what are you bosting about? India is still more hungry then anyother south asian nation according to 2013 report. There is nothing to brag about.

Provide them with proof lol yes provide proof how IVC, Ghandara, Rig Vedic started in Bharat and moved to pure land. If you can provide proof of that then all right otherwise stfu

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Indians are sorry race, if one can even call them human race. Even your last 2000 years of civilization is basically passed down from pure land to primitive beings of India. This is historical fact which no can deny, all you can say we all were one lol and then see us spit in your ugly faces.

The last 2000 years you guys werent even independent. If you were, it would be for a mini second. Constantly getting invaded by others.

Do you know what for example Deccan-Andras were doing while you guys were getting violated in 2nd BC?

They were creating these societies and cities.

Independently

 

[dawn_news]

The last 2000 years you guys were even independent. Constantly getting invaded by others.

Do you know what for example Deccanese were doing why you guys were getting violated?

They were creating these>>

No offence but couple of temples are not worthy archivements. Certanly not compared to the ones who passed that knowledge to your kind. Good thing we were getting invaded so some of our ancestors got to your kind and made them civilized. Anyway current day 60% of Indians defecate openly compared to 18% Pakistanis. I would say you guys and Pakistanis also have alot of catching up to do with modern world. Instead of living in past non-existant glory. Because lets face it i bet 95% of population was banned to enter these temples in ancient times.

And you guys need to do even more faster then us.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

No offence but couple of temples are not worthy archivements. Certanly not compared to the ones who passed that knowledge to your kind. Good thing we were getting invaded so some of our ancestors got to your kind and made them civilized. Anyway current day 60% of Indians defecate openly compared to 18% Pakistanis. I would say you guys and Pakistanis also have alot of catching up to do with modern world. Instead of living in past non-existant glory. Because lets face it i bet 95% of population was banned to enter these temples in ancient times.

And you guys need to do even more faster then us.

They passed down a primitive/prototype of a religion and language. This very much evolved within India.

India's civilization is very much Indian. There is nothing like it outside India, other than the places Indian civilization touched like S.E. Asia. Islam and Iran's script has Arabic origin, but Iranian civilization is much more vast than that. Christianity is Middle Eastern, but Europe is much more vast than that.

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No horse riding nomad passed this down.

 

[dawn_news]

They passed down a primitive/prototype of a religion and language. This very much evolved within India.

India's civilization is very much Indian. There is nothing like it outside India, other than the place Indian civilization touched like S.E. Asia. Islam and Iran's script has Arabic origin, but Iranian civilization is much more vast than that. Christianity is Middle Eastern, but Europe is much more vast than that.

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No horse riding nomad passed this down.

Again posting pictures of temples. Men you guys don't need anything else, just stay there and use them as toilets. It may decrease % Indians defecating openly. It was passed down, and as i said 95% of native population was banned to enter temples for being low caste.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

No offence but couple of temples are not worthy archivements. Certanly not compared to the ones who passed that knowledge to your kind. Good thing we were getting invaded so some of our ancestors got to your kind and made them civilized. Anyway current day 60% of Indians defecate openly compared to 18% Pakistanis. I would say you guys and Pakistanis also have alot of catching up to do with modern world. Instead of living in past non-existant glory. Because lets face it i bet 95% of population was banned to enter these temples in ancient times.

And you guys need to do even more faster then us.

What remains the credibility of an individual who lies so openly. Pathological liars as many have said already ?

Two-thirds get electricity: Less than half of Pakistanis have access to sanitation, says WB – The Express Tribune

 

[dawn_news]

What remains the credibility of an individual who lies so openly. Pathological liars as many have said already ?

Two-thirds get electricity: Less than half of Pakistanis have access to sanitation, says WB – The Express Tribune

Well read the thread on pdf about report, especially posts by HRC. Pak figure is 18%. So that tells us your crediblity. And that report is isnt talking about toilets.

Yes Pak rural + urban population open defecating is 18%. Indian population rural + urban is 51%, rural alone is 60%. But total Indian population open defecating is 51% according to that thread compared to Pakistan 18%.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Again posting pictures of temples. Men you guys don't need anything else, just stay there and use them as toilets. It may decrease % Indians defecating openly. It was passed down, and as i said 95% of native population was banned to enter temples for being low caste.

Temples, okay. Guess what guy? Most people built religious works back then. Do you even know what it takes to build such structures. The technique these artists had?

To not only go to a rock cliff and carve the exterior

But bore through rock with simple tools?

and paint every single piece of wall as well in the dark with just torches?

Guess what the mighty Pakistan land was doing? Getting T-bagged by whoever wanted that piece of land. Persians, Parthians, Kushans, whoever. So maybe you should humble yourself.

Of course you're going to bring up defecation, you have nothing better to say. You're just some racist idiot who builds up some sort of superior complex off of things that happened god knows how long ago.

You're one hilarious guy. You have a massive inferior complex in real life and hollow superior complex on the internet.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Remember that shivaji with small force was trapped in fort of pratabgarh. He couldnt take on afzal khan who had massive force of 10 thousands. After 5 months of siege, shivaji was running out of food, they were in desparate situation so they engaged afzal khan in negotiations....it was afzal khan stupidity to talk with nearly defeated man. Mughal and bijapuri sources blame shivaji for treachery, afzal khan was advised not to agree with shivaji's place pratabgarh for meeting but he trusted him due to his late father. It turned the course of history, the nearly annihilated and hopeless shivaji emerged as power after this act of treachery.

@Nuri Natt keep on believing maratha sources, you look like a fool

 

[dawn_news]

Temples, okay. Guess what guy? Most people built religious works back then. Do you even know what it takes to build such structures. The technique these artists had?

To not only go to a rock cliff and carve the exterior

But bore through rock with simple tools?

and paint every single piece of wall as well in the dark with just torches?

Guess what the mighty Pakistan land was doing? Getting T-bagged by whoever wanted that piece of land. Persians, Parthians, Kushans, whoever. So maybe you should humble yourself.

Of course you're going to bring up defecation, you have nothing better to say. You're just some racist idiot who builds up some sort of superior complex off of things that happened god knows how long ago.

You're one hilarious guy. You have a massive inferior complex in real life and hollow superior complex on the internet.

again pictures of temples, pitful. Nothing more to show then bunch of temples build by few elites who banned 95% of population from entering it. And complex talk coming from a guy who keep posting temple pictures to prove how advance they were is just ironic.

Come back to real life where 80% low castes hindus, tribals still suffers from elite 20%. 51% of you have no access to toilets, India is more hungry then anyother south asian nation as of 2013. And you talk about civilization which was passed down to your kind. low caste girls still are taken advantage of in temples just like in old times.

Forget about them, when people think of India Taj Mahal comes to their mind not temples with pigs having sex statues. And the way are you explaning almost seem like aliens build them, while actually are not that impressive especially when all you have is to build temples with 95% slave population.

These temples are not even that old anyway.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Hey bro, if you have time could you give us some background on pashtun history. Like where is their original homeland, which tribes are considered as original and which ones later merged to form the pashtun nation, how and when did the pashtun people come to inhabit KPK and FATA and what linguistic and other differences, if any, are found in the northern pashtuns and southern pashtuns.
At your own discretion sir.

Historians agee that pashtuns original and primary abode was koh e sulieman (balochistan) , from there they expanded into present day Afghanistan in unknow time line. It is known that during mahmood ghaznavi times they were already in eastren afghanistan while of the tribe dilazak had migrated to present day KPK and were settled in malakhand division, peshawer, hazara and attock. Dilazak pashtuns were supporters of mahmud ghaznavi. So khyber pakhtunkhwa was colonized by pakhtuns one thousand years ago.

Durranis, yousafzais, kakars, mohmands eta are considered true afghans/pashtuns. While ghilzais, ghorids etc are considered assimilated ones. According to Pashtun oral history, which is passed down generations, ghiljay and lodhi were children of a pashtun lady bibi mato and prince of ghor, shah hussain ghori.

Karlanri pakhtun tribes who inhabit FATA, have unknown origins but are oldest inhabitants, aborigines.
Northren pakhtuns speak hard dialect, kheen. They modify sheen word with kheen. E.g hoshiar (clever) is modified to hokhiar. Southren pashtuns speak original sheen dialect.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

again pictures of temples, pitful. Nothing more to show then bunch of temples build by few elites who banned 95% of population from entering it.

What do you think reality was back then for most people? You think there was equality in other parts of ancient world? It's always a few elite who has the wealth and power. It's still like that to this day, but we have more room to breath.

And you talk about civilization which was passed down to your kind.

None of that was passed down, except for a prototype of a religion and language. Now, I dont know why that would be a bad thing, considering your own religion, your text, your architecture, etc, etc, etc. isnt even from Pakistan. And is dominating from North Africa to Central Asia, but is Arabic in origin.

Forget about them, when people think of India Taj Mahal comes to their mind not temples with pigs having sex statues. And the way are you explaning almost seem like aliens build them, while actually are not that impressive especially when all you have is to build temples with 95% slave population.

Not that impressive okay, funny considering Pakistan literally doesn't have anything for the last 2000 years except violation from their neighbors.

And complex talk coming from a guy who keep posting temple pictures to prove how advance they were is just ironic.

Art work like that is an example of a complex civilization, yes.

 

[SrNair]

You are south indian, you have no claim over Shivaji.



Kashmiri of bihari origin being proud of Shivaji. Lol Did you forget the panthy bhaiayas received in 2009 Maharashtra riots? When supporters of Shivaji beat the shit out of North Indian bhaiyas.

Shivaji was an Hindu.And I am also a Hindu.In India Shivaji was a freedom fighter.So all of us Indians claim him.He was the son of our Bharat Mata.

Your tricks to divide Marathis with others dont work here.