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So examples of CIA. How many Russian incidents do you know of?


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Diplomat Madhuri Gupta, arrested on charges of spying for Pakistan, joins a list of several top Indian officials accused of leaking sensitive information or falling into honey trap in the past few decades.

The last such case is that of Navy officer Commodore Sukhjinder Singh, now being probed for his alleged liaison with a Russian woman between 2005 and 2007 -- when he was posted in Russia as the head of Indian team overseeing the refit of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. A board of inquiry, set up against Singh after his objectionable photographs with the unidentified woman surfaced, is now probing whether his "loose moral conduct" and indiscretions have any connections with the Gorshkov deal which has been signed after a lot of negotiations due to the cost hike of the carrier.

In May 2008, a senior Indian Embassy official in Beijing was called back to New Delhi for falling to the charms of a Chinese honey trap. Manmohan Sharma, a senior Research and Analysis Wing officer, was alleged to be in a romantic affair with his Chinese language teacher. Indian authorities suspected the woman could be an informant of the Chinese government and gathered information about India's moves and counter-moves on the border talks.

In October 2007, a 1975 batch Research and Analysis Service officer Ravi Nair was called back from Hong Kong for his 'friendship' with a girl believed to be working for a Chinese spy agency. However, within a brief time Nair was again given a foreign posting in Colombo where the woman also came and allegedly started staying with him, raising suspicion. The officials of other departments, posted at the Indian High Commission, sent reports about Nair to their respective departments paving way for his recall.

Like any other snooping agency, India's external Intelligence agency RAW has also a history of officials switching their loyalties to foreign agencies. The most infamous case which shook RAW out of reverie was that of Rabinder Singh who became a mole of American intelligence agency CIA and flew to the US despite being under RAW surveillance. Singh initially worked with the Indian Army and held a very senior position with RAW handling Southeast Asia. By the time the agency sensed his affiliations, Singh escaped to the US through Nepal in 2004.

The second blow came in 2006 with the discovery of another alleged CIA mole in India's National Security Council Secretariat, which is part of the Prime Minister's Office.


In the early 90s, an Indian Naval attache posted in Islamabad reportedly fell in love with a Pakistani woman working in the Military Nursing Service in Karachi. The attache was interrogated and then forced to resign. Reports said the official, who had initially claimed having recruited the woman as a spy, was being blackmailed by the ISI, which wanted his services after his return to the Naval Headquarters in Delhi.

Then a personal assistant to a very senior RAW official disappeared in London in the early 90s. Ashok Sathe, another official was also believed to have defected to the US after his mysterious disappearance. Sathe was said to be behind burning down of RAW office in Khurramshahr in Iran.

In the early 1980s, a senior field officer disappeared in London. As attache in Kathmandu, he was alleged to be liaisoning with foreign intelligence agencies In another case, a senior Intelligence Bureau official, who was due to take over as the chief of counter-intelligence, had an "unauthorised" relationship with a female US consular officer. His meetings with her were recorded on camera by the IB, and he was forced to retire following interrogation.

However, in the history of Indian intelligence, the most written about case was that of K V Unnikrishnan, a RAW officer dealing with the LTTE. He had developed a relationship with an air hostess believed to be an intelligence scion. He was arrested just ahead of a peace accord signed between India and Sri Lanka. The oldest case of 'honey trapping', when an Indian diplomat during the time of the first prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru was trapped by a Russian girl in Moscow. When the Russian spy agency KGB presented him with the pictures of his activities with the girl, the diplomat informed his ambassador about his relationship and the KGB's attempts to blackmail him. The ambassador raised the issue with Nehru, who was himself in charge of the External Affairs Ministry. Nehru just laughed it off, warning the young diplomat to be more careful in future.


Like I said noone is better.
Whatever the reason China is still remain as the our neighbour and US is still remain as friend on other side of the earth.
All I m saying we will only give priority to our nationals interest.
 
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Like I said noone is better.
Whatever the reason China is still remain as the our neighbour and US is still remain as friend on other side of the earth.
All I m saying we will only give priority to our nationals interest.


Regardless of distance MOTHER EARTH is a lot smaller than we think. As humans we need to peacefully co exist. We cannot stop China when and if it decides to lash out at us. We have done things to make them think twice, but don't be complacent to think our nukes our enough. China as a neighbor to us and other has been extremely aggressive. They have killed out troops in border skirmishes. We did not start these conficts.


I agree give priority to our national interests and I think it is the greatest opportunity to align with like minded individuals. Our problem is just like theirs. .....we are all dealing with a bully.
 
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In 1987 an Indian agent is courtmartialled for leaking classified info about IPKF plan SL.His name was Unnikrishnan IPS.CIA was the beneficiary.They honey trapped him 7 years ago and began to blackmail him when he become senior officer in RAW.
So noone is better.We have plenty of examples.
On topic: Codevelopment with US is not an issue.It is mere arms trade relation.thats all.We should reject their invitation for US -Japan alliance.
Russia is still remain as our trusted partner.
We haven't forgotten how USA sabotaged our cryo engine research in 90's and killed many of our scientists and got jailed Nambi Narayanan.There are many instances of Sabotage by USA in parts of India,It even brought down a constitutionally elected communist government in Kerala by starting riots etc. in 50's
E. M. S. Namboodiripad
There are many instances where USA used it spies and moles to sabotage Indian interests, USA is no saint in this matter.
What we need to look out is for our interests first,when we are strong economically,military wise then we can review the situation until then keep your head down and get to work,improving the standard of life of our people is our first priority.
Russia is a reliable ally since a long time, you don't dump a old friend for a new one who is flashy.Everyone has their place.
 
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Its India's fault for the Europeans discovering the New World. Christopher Columbus was trying to find you. And he thought the natives in the New World were Indians and called them that. Good job India. Good job.
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India didn't need to go exploring back then because most of world trade happened from India and China (well actually in olden texts South America was called Patala (below the earth) or the land below equator,where snakes and people who worship snakes(Nagas)Mayans,Incans worship the snake god(Quetzlcoatl) would reside.Indians avoided contact with them as far as the scriptures said.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlc
India back then had this taboo that crossing the sea would make you an infidel and would bring some unwanted alien cultural influences,practices which were abhorred by Indians back then,so they chose to travel on land routes.Only exception was the Tamil kings who spread their influence as far as Thailand,cambodia,Vietnam,Indonesia etc.
 
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We haven't forgotten how USA sabotaged our cryo engine research in 90's and killed many of our scientists and got jailed Nambi Narayanan.There are many instances of Sabotage by USA in parts of India,It even brought down a constitutionally elected communist government in Kerala by starting riots etc. in 50's
E. M. S. Namboodiripad
There are many instances where USA used it spies and moles to sabotage Indian interests, USA is no saint in this matter.
What we need to look out is for our interests first,when we are strong economically,military wise then we can review the situation until then keep your head down and get to work,improving the standard of life of our people is our first priority.
Russia is a reliable ally since a long time, you don't dump a old friend for a new one who is flashy.Everyone has their place.
How can you forget their support of Pakistan during genocide in Bangaladesh.
Also the custodial rape of our diplomat recently, americans have assassinated leaders & changed government with impunity. I wont touch the Yanks even with a 100 Ft of Pole
 
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How can you forget their support of Pakistan during genocide in Bangaladesh.
Also the custodial rape of our diplomat recently, americans have assassinated leaders & changed government with impunity. I wont touch the Yanks even with a 100 Ft of Pole
Americans have a habit of taking their allies and friends for granted,they think their friends are their foot soldiers and whatever america does should be tolerated by everyone.Look at their closest allies germany etc. they were snooping on all.I don't need to mention what they did with Pakistan and Iraq.
We shouldn't go there,it's good to have a business/defence relationship.Other than that we should first get to a position of strength and then see who is who in the world then.
 
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Plz......and like China and Russia are better? Yea right...Russia has done far more but your crony govt would sweep shit under the table for them.
 
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To my indian friends: Hum pakistanio ne to 2 time USA ke sath dosti naba chokke he, abb ap loog bhi sook poora kar lo. America ek esa friend he jo apna intrest pora hotne ke baad friendship bhool jata he, It takes, dont give. Besaak India ko technology USA se mil sakti he, lekin 65 salo se ap ka friend Russia hi he. USA to huwa ki tara badal jata he. Anyway, good luck. Ap loogo ki fanchoo ghee me he..
 
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To my indian friends: Hum pakistanio ne to 2 time USA ke sath dosti naba chokke he, abb ap loog bhi sook poora kar lo. America ek esa friend he jo apna intrest pora hotne ke baad friendship bhool jata he, It takes, dont give. Besaak India ko technology USA se mil sakti he, lekin 65 salo se ap ka friend Russia hi he. USA to huwa ki tara badal jata he. Anyway, good luck. Ap loogo ki fanchoo ghee me he..




Plz translate...not every Indian speaks Hindi
 
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Indian-USA new deals means Pakistan-Russia more deals. :yahoo::dance3::victory1:


Naah........................ India is smart........................ Getting high-tech arms from both country... Russia will not wanna loose India
 
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