After Mexico, India second largest source of migrants: report

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

You cannot come to India for a holiday without papers I suppose. India is not the sanctuary for visitors it stay and rome around at his own wish. poor or not poor why the hell this illegals stays in India without permission and papers, cheap thugs.

it happens from both side like the pak-afghan border. This is happening since independence. But they are not going there to live permanently.

The foreign ministry has accused India of violating international law by targetting its own Bengali speaking people to deport to Bangladesh.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Dhaka angry over 'forced migration'

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Dhaka angry over 'forced migration'
Alistair Lawson
BBC correspondent in Dhaka

The Bangladesh government has strongly criticised what it says is a campaign to force Bengali speaking people from India into Bangladesh.

As the Foreign Ministry expressed its grave concern over the issue, the fate of at least 200 people remained unclear.

Bangladesh says these people are now living in miserable conditions in no-man's-land between the two countries.

Reports say they are running short of food and water.

'Gross violation'

Bangladesh accuses India, over the last two weeks, of trying to force hundreds of people across the border between the two countries.

In an interview with the BBC, Bangladesh Foreign Secretary Shamser Mobin Chowdhury said India was in gross violation of international law by targeting Bengali-speaking Muslims, who it had incorrectly identified as illegal immigrants.

Mr Chowdhury said the vast majority were Indian citizens who had no right to live in Bangladesh.

Dhaka says Delhi has tried to force them across the border at several points over the past 10 days.

It says it is especially concerned over the plight of at least 200 people living in no-man's-land on its northern border.

India says they are illegal immigrants but Bangladesh says it is not willing to allow them to enter the country.

Determined

As the disagreement continues, there is concern that these people - who are now in effect stateless - lack adequate shelter, clothing and food.

India, for its part, denies it is conducting any programme to force Indian citizens into Bangladesh, but has said it is determined to prevent illegal immigration from Bangladesh.

It recently alleged that there were 20 million Bangladeshis living illegally in India.

Many of these people, India argues, are a security threat and should be deported.

The stand-off has done little to improve frosty relations between the border security forces of the two countries.

They have frequently clashed over the last two years and both sides are now on a high state of alert.

Senior politicians from both countries are calling for bilateral talks to prevent relations from deteriorating further.

 

[TalkToMe:D]

The 1st video was complete bs. But for the second one the 1st person who was saying that he went to India for cheap patrol is a blunt lair and probably an Indian itself went to Bangladesh for cheap patrol as patrol is cheap in Bangladesh. But thanks to the video for exposing how muslims are targeted in Assam. Most of the people went there at best to meet their relatives not for permanent stay as Assam is much poorer and backword state then Bangladesh.

That illegal infiltrator is a thug and even you can figure it out.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

That illegal infiltrator is a thug and even you can figure it out.

Whether it is a thug or not but 20 million illegal migrant is a monstrous lie made by advani of BJP which was junked by your own home minister itself. No need for further discussion. Period.

 

[TalkToMe:D]

Whether it is a thug or not but 20 million illegal migrant is a monstrous lie made by advani of BJP which was junked by your own home minister itself. No need for further discussion. Period.

So you swear by the article by some random author in against of ministers estimation?? great logic.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

So you swear by the article by some random author in against of ministers estimation?? great logic.

no your minister's claim was my source. N this article is based on pew research group's finding.

The minister of state today suggested he had given the figures without noticing a clarificatory note from the field organisation (intelligence agencies).

He set out to trash his ministry’s figures, claiming that this “clarificatory note” made it clear that the reported figures “were not based on any comprehensive or sample study but were based on hearsay and that too from interested parties”.

 

[Skallagrim]

Then this perfectly explains India's high ranking. There is an estimated 6 million Indians in Gulf Countries alone.

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Thats a problem of US Govt.

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Can you name some of the benefits? You are still sitting on the fence as far as transit is concerned, which by the looks it may be cancelled if Madam Zia comes to power.

Right now I'll post the link to a national newspaper article regarding non-tariff barriers posed by India to our trade with them.
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=184960

 

[anonymus]

Yes they are legal migrants and have been registered in the Government of India census as such. Illegal Migrants on the other hand do not enrol for census. Its that simple.

Majority of them came after 1947 and few more during the war of 1971 as has been mentioned in the report and the very news article you posted.`

You debunked nothing mate.

And Tibetan refugees also.

 

[TalkToMe:D]

no your minister's claim was my source. N this article is based on pew research group's finding.

Please go through the first video I posted and know about your stated ''political party interested'' query.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Another nail in the coffin of illegal immigration myth which was done already back in 1995 by the Centre for Study of Society and Secularism (CSSS) in its report "‘Immigrants in Bombay:A Fact Finding Report’".



In response to the Shiv Sena-BJP campaign on the security threats arising from migrants by Bangladeshis, the Centre for Study of Society and Secularism (CSSS), a non government organization in Mumbai carried out a study in 1995. In ‘Immigrants in Bombay: A Fact Finding Report’, the findings revealed that the BJP-Shiv Sena estimates about the number of illegal migrants was not merely an exaggeration but almost complete fabrication. The report points out that the BJP-Shiv Sena government attempted to fabricate illusionary danger and generate fear. According to the report, this issue was raised by the BJP to divert people’s attention after the demolition of Babri Masjid. The report further argued that the propaganda matched the Shiv Sena’s past records of arousing competition against one section of the population by another; their past targets have been Dalits (low caste Hindu) and South Indians to get the Marathi (local people from Maharashtrsa) vote bank in Maharashtra. The report criticized Operation Push Back11 initiated by the Narashima Rao government in 1992 as ‘inhuman, condemnable and unthinkable in this century’ 12. It concluded that the so-called infiltrators did not pose any threat and the perception of danger was a product of Hindutvaled propaganda. The study argued that the migrants were more preoccupied with their day to day subsistence needs and hardly had any time to think about other issues. The report recommended that ‘if immigration from Bangladesh is indeed a serious issue for the Indian Government, then problem must be resolved through negotiation with Bangladesh government; deportation of poor Muslims is not the answer’ (The Indian Express, 23 September 1998: 1).

More detail conclusion of the report can be found here:

Immigrants in Bombay : A Fact Finding Report. Conclussions by Shyma Dlawai and Irfan Engineer

 

[Skallagrim]

Point is even if it is 0.5 million it do not defend Bangladeshi cause of sending illegal immigrant. Stop is and dont face humiliation

Point is if it is 0.5 million instead of 20 million India should treat them as guests, take care of them and stop whining.

 

[samrat]

Point is if it is 0.5 million instead of 20 million India should treat them as guests, take care of them and stop whining.

Why should we? They should return to their Sonar Bangla. Poor India is not the place for them and we are not whining, we are taking care of the problem one INSAS bullet at a time.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Why should we? They should return to their Sonar Bangla. Poor India is not the place for them and we are not whining, we are taking care of the problem one INSAS bullet at a time.

Because they are hindu!!! and for your info the census of India 2001 clearly indicated that illegal immigrant from Nepal has increased but decreased by 50% for the case of Bangladesh over the last decade and your BJP has no problem with the nepali hindus.

http://arts.monash.edu.au/mai/asaa/rizwanashamshad.pdf

The decadal variation during 1991 –2001 has been negative -a reduction of 52.7% for Bangladesh and an increase for Nepal by 49.2%. It can be assumed that most of the migrants coming from Nepal were Hindu. According to the census 2001 in Nepal, 80.6% of the population is Hindu, 10.7% is Buddhist, 4.2% of the population is Muslim and 3.6% of the population follows the indigenous Kirant Mundum religion. Christianity is practiced by less than 0.5% of the population27. It is very significant that the Shiv Sena-BJP government never complained about the migrants from Nepal, though statistics indicate the number of migrants was larger. They kept quiet on illegal Nepalese migrants as far as the literature and media are concerned. It can be interpreted that they did not take Hindu illegal migrants from Nepal as an economic or security threat to India. Another interesting feature of their campaign on detection and deportation of illegal Bangladeshi migrants is that, BJP appeared to be sympathetic towards Hindu migrants from Bangladesh. So this was not about jobs or security ;it is really an anti- Muslim campaign.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I love the Internet.

 

[samrat]

Because they are hindu!!! and for your info the census of India 2001 clearly indicated that illegal immigrant from Nepal has increased but decreased by 50% for the case of Bangladesh over the last decade and your BJP has no problem with the nepali hindus.

http://arts.monash.edu.au/mai/asaa/rizwanashamshad.pdf

So be it. India & Nepal are the only homelands of the Hindus. So any Hindus are welcome. Bangladeshi Muslims can move to the 50 or so Muslim countries. Why come to a Kafir country? Poor kafir India is not the place for them, they should return to their Sonar Bangla or any other Dar Al Islam.

If you want to give religious color , then how would you explain the Buddhist Tibetans and Hindu/Christian SL Tamils coming to India for refuge.

 

[solbadguy]

Overall, Mexico has been the largest single source of migrants (12.9 million), followed closely by India (11.8 million) and Russia (11.3 million).

In addition, China (8.4 million), Bangladesh (6.5 million) and Ukraine (6.5 million) each have more than six million emigrants.

Lets talk fractions.
India: 11.8/1210=.009 (.9%)
Bangladesh: 6.5/148.7=.04(4%)

4/.9= 4.5...This implies 4.5 Bangladeshi nationals emigrate for each Indian national emigrating.

Hindu migrants have come overwhelmingly from India (more than five million), it said.

I am not sure you understood the context of the statement before highlighting it. Its only obvious that major Hindu immigration is from India since it is the largest Hindu nation (by a huge margin).

Furthermore, you quoted total Indian immigration to be 11.8 million, and 5 million of them are Hindus....this would imply that 6.8 million are people of other faiths. Since Muslims are about 90% of the minorities.......

Much of the migration out of these countries was prompted by the partitioning of the Indian subcontinent in the years following the withdrawal of the British Raj in 1947. However, even today, people continue to move between countries in the area, with Muslims generally migrating to Pakistan while Hindus tend to move to India

Bold and red. Wow. For a statement you were emphasizing so much on, I assumed it would be something less obvious. Regardless, no figures are quoted here, so I'll leave it at that.

But those factors also sometimes operate in reverse, drawing Hindus from India and nearby countries to Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, which are among the Top 10 destinations – as well as among the Top 10 origins – for Hindu migrants," it said.

Sometimes was the operative word, an exception rather than a rule. Since most Hindus originated in the sub continent, its obvious they'd be willing to migrate to their roots.