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Interesting article that is more interestingly from Haaretz. Even so I'm in total agreement with the report, but such reports are usually blocked by US. One may wonder: Did US look the other way to make Israel shut up and let US sign the deal with Iran? The timing of the report couldn't be better.

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Israel isn’t free to deal with the Iranian threat right now, because a far more dangerous threat is hovering over it – the UN Human Rights Council’s report on last summer’s war with Hamas in Gaza.

By Zvi Bar'el | Jun. 25, 2015 | 4:02 AM
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A Palestinian boy playing outside the remains of his house on June 22, 2015 in Gaza City that was destroyed during Operation Protective Edge in 2014. Photo by AFP


Next Tuesday, the dialogue Iran has been conducting with the Western powers for about 18 months now is slated to end in the signing of a permanent nuclear agreement. The assessment is that even if the signing has to be postponed by a few days, a deal is certain.

And at this very moment, when the most important strategic move in the Middle East of the last four decades is on the verge of completion, Israel is keeping mum. Has anyone heard about the Iranian threat recently? Has anyone spoken about the nuclear agreement or its implications?

Israel isn’t free to deal with the Iranian threat right now, because a far more dangerous threat is hovering over it – the UN Human Rights Council’s report on last summer’s war with Hamas in Gaza. We can scream that this is anti-Israel or anti-Semitic propaganda, declare that we won’t even bother to read it or point to benighted regimes like those of North Korea, Syria and Iran in order to bewail the UN’s hypocrisy, but the fact is that it’s not the report, but the operation that revealed the darkest urges a country can possibly reveal in its behavior toward civilians.

Incidentally, the report actually showed great mercy to Israel in that it didn’t compare it to those other countries, but treated it as a respectable country, one expected to comply with international law and the laws of war.

The UN report not only rips to shreds the false marketing slogan that depicts the Israel Defense Forces as the most moral army in the world, but also scrutinizes Israel and Hamas as if they were equivalent: fighters versus fighters, civilians versus civilians. But the biggest problem for Israel isn’t the question of whether the report is balanced or tilted; Israel’s handicap lies in the fact that both its leadership and its public see the report, and not the reasons for its writing – that is, Operation Protective Edge – as the root of the evil.

Two reports, that of the UN and the one produced by Israel, are now fighting a duel. The first represents the way the world sees Israel, and the second represents the way it sees itself. And this is the source of Israelis’ enormous anger over the UN report. Ostensibly, this is a battle over images, over preserving the broken mirror that always told Israel it was “the fairest of them all,” that its policies are just and that it is governed by “Jewish morality.”

But beyond this important battle over Israel’s image, which is being waged under the threat of the recommendation to indict Israel in the International Criminal Court, the report must be read as if it were a report by the state comptroller. Admittedly, it deals only with the terrifying symptoms that were revealed by Operation Protective Edge, but it necessitates a root canal that will provide answers to the hard questions – starting from the decision-making process that led to launching the operation, continuing through the way it was carried out and ending with Israel’s security doctrine.

This doctrine is based on the assumption that Israel is always in existential danger, and that its only source of strength is the IDF. In Israel’s view, there’s no difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, or between the Palestinian Authority and Iran. All are existential threats, and the IDF can and should be used against all of them.

The problem is that Israel sought to obtain legitimacy to conduct these wars not only from its own citizens, but also from the rest of the world. And then suddenly, along comes this report and threatens to remove it from the family of nations. According to the report, the same Israel that managed to mobilize the world against Iran and that persuaded it of the need to see Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations has itself become a gangster that the international community must rein in.

Such a country can no longer charm the world with its beautiful blue eyes. It will have trouble persuading anyone that Iran is a threat, or that the emerging nuclear deal with it endangers our existence. Even Israel’s friends are starting to smell the stench it gives off.

On second thought, Gaza really has become an existential threat to Israel. Not, however, because of Hamas, but because of those 1,462 civilians, one third of them children, memorialized in the UN report.
 
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Why is this in Iranian Defence Forum? The article is about internal politics of Israel. Nobody is speaking of nuclear deal, because little of it has to do with nuclear program. It's more related to other factors such as culture. West sees Iranians aren't traditional and many becoming Westernized/secular and also Iranians like to think of themselves as modern, intelligent and secular peoples so they want the deal.

Difference is there are two types of Iranians, ones that admit Iranian-West approach is due to similiar beliefs/interests in region. The other are the those who want to paint false position of power in which West capitulated to Iran due to its power and superior strategy. This kind of propaganda is reserved to Middle Easterners, specifically Arabs. Because these Iranians who are hungry for power constantly push propaganda down Arab's throats in order to discredit/demonize them as 'agents of West' who must be toppled and must become Shia in order to 'repel west' ie expand Iran's influence while ironically as we see with nuclear deal the deal happened because Iran/West share same interests in most areas of ME particulary against Arab Sunni's. But nevertheless, even with this deal, increased cooperation, ties, trade, visits, cultural programs these same sectarian Arab hating Iranians will continue towing position of power in order to retain/attain as much control over Arab world.
 
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ironically as we see with nuclear deal the deal happened because Iran/West share same interests in most areas of ME

You guys have nothing else to say, no other excuses, and the only thing you have is this nuclear deal, which is NOT a cooperation/friendship deal between Iran and the west, but negotiations to lift unjustified sanctions against Iran. Now we won't sit under these sanctions and not negotiate for their lifting only to appease people like you. Unlike you Arab brethren in other ME countries, we don't have billion dollars arm deals with US or host their army in our soil, we don't cooperate with U.S anywhere in ME or the world and we certainly don't have diplomatic (Egypt, Jordan) or secret relations (Saudis, UAE) with Israel. Yep, sorry to burst your bubble. Your own Arab brothers are busy cracking down on your beloved MB gangs, and hunt them down where ever they can, now you can go one and appease them more and more for attention.

PS: This nuclear deal is not finalized yet, it may even be jeopardized in last moments, so don't talk like something has already happened.
 
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You guys have nothing else to say, no other excuses, and the only thing you have is this nuclear deal, which is NOT a cooperation/friendship deal between Iran and the west, but negotiations to lift unjustified sanctions against Iran. Now we won't sit under these sanctions and not negotiate for their lifting only to appease people like you. Unlike you Arab brethren in other ME countries, we don't have billion dollars arm deals with US or host their army in our soil, we don't cooperate with U.S anywhere in ME or the world and we certainly don't have diplomatic (Egypt, Jordan) or secret relations (Saudis, UAE) with Israel. Yep, sorry to burst your bubble. Your own Arab brothers are busy cracking down on your beloved MB gangs, and hunt them down where ever they can, now you can go one and appease them more and more for attention.

PS: This nuclear deal is not finalized yet, it may even be jeopardized in last moments, so don't talk like something has already happened.

I didn't say nuclear deal is alliance with West but prelude to ally like cooperation in the near future. Which isn't the bad thing, the world is globalised and trade/political/military cooperation with West is common, at least trade is. The bad part is what I went over in my first post about the second type of Iranians. And is agenda of the Iranian government. Arab regimes and Iranian regime are looked down upon. Not sure why you're pointing fingers at Arab nations, it won't exonerate you from what you are. I understand that you're Iranian and think of our matters as black and white. But that's not case and Arabs remain brothers in faith and identity.

Do you disagree that nuclear deals intent is to pave way for future change of dynamics in regards to Iranian-Western relations?
 
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This is not the U.N report who is revealing the true face of Zionist kid killers, It's the blood of those kids. The same way Imam husein's blood revealed the nasty face of Yazid.

Why is this in Iranian Defence Forum? The article is about internal politics of Israel. Nobody is speaking of nuclear deal, because little of it has to do with nuclear program. It's more related to other factors such as culture. West sees Iranians aren't traditional and many becoming Westernized/secular and also Iranians like to think of themselves as modern, intelligent and secular peoples so they want the deal.

Difference is there are two types of Iranians, ones that admit Iranian-West approach is due to similiar beliefs/interests in region. The other are the those who want to paint false position of power in which West capitulated to Iran due to its power and superior strategy. This kind of propaganda is reserved to Middle Easterners, specifically Arabs. Because these Iranians who are hungry for power constantly push propaganda down Arab's throats in order to discredit/demonize them as 'agents of West' who must be toppled and must become Shia in order to 'repel west' ie expand Iran's influence while ironically as we see with nuclear deal the deal happened because Iran/West share same interests in most areas of ME particulary against Arab Sunni's. But nevertheless, even with this deal, increased cooperation, ties, trade, visits, cultural programs these same sectarian Arab hating Iranians will continue towing position of power in order to retain/attain as much control over Arab world.
Must become shiah!!!
The secterian B.S can be seen in all of your comments.
Is Hamas shiah?
The answer is not only they aint shiah but even some of them are salafi (anti shiah).
And about those imaginary independent arab governments, which one of them has ever armed Hamas or any other group who actually fights against Israel?
 
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Consider this, iranians (like pakistanis) seem to be champions for palistinian people's "rights" to the point they have soured relations with Israel and are willing to go to war with them. Do those palestinians concern themselves with iran and iranians people's rights and the sanctions against iran from foreign states? Why stick your nose into someone else's business? In the end, you are going to be the one that loses the most, there is nothing you can possibly gain from this.
 
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There are massive killings in some places like Gaza , Burma and many other Africans cities . My question is where is United Nation organization's part ? UN main motive is to maintain peace in the world at any cost they have to save people its their duty their Job.. UN Should know the meaning of PEACE first
 
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There are massive killings in some places like Gaza , Burma and many other Africans cities . My question is where is United Nation organization's part ? UN main motive is to maintain peace in the world at any cost they have to save people its their duty their Job.. UN Should know the meaning of PEACE first
Worry about Pakistan first. In sheer numbers, more Pakistanis are in need of assistance than Gazans.
 
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Why is this in Iranian Defence Forum? The article is about internal politics of Israel. Nobody is speaking of nuclear deal, because little of it has to do with nuclear program. It's more related to other factors such as culture. West sees Iranians aren't traditional and many becoming Westernized/secular and also Iranians like to think of themselves as modern, intelligent and secular peoples so they want the deal.

Difference is there are two types of Iranians, ones that admit Iranian-West approach is due to similiar beliefs/interests in region. The other are the those who want to paint false position of power in which West capitulated to Iran due to its power and superior strategy. This kind of propaganda is reserved to Middle Easterners, specifically Arabs. Because these Iranians who are hungry for power constantly push propaganda down Arab's throats in order to discredit/demonize them as 'agents of West' who must be toppled and must become Shia in order to 'repel west' ie expand Iran's influence while ironically as we see with nuclear deal the deal happened because Iran/West share same interests in most areas of ME particulary against Arab Sunni's. But nevertheless, even with this deal, increased cooperation, ties, trade, visits, cultural programs these same sectarian Arab hating Iranians will continue towing position of power in order to retain/attain as much control over Arab world.

Stockholm syndrome? Or down syndrome?
 
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