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After Biggest Drill in 30 Years, IAF Chief Indicates Readiness to Deal With Two-Front War

Of course, the PAF requires no training at all, just like how weapons are tested without any failures. Only USAF, IAF etc need training.

Seems you have major comprehension issues, read my lines slowly, there's a difference between training and then making a song and dance about it.....all air forces train but not all get humiliated with boasting like cricket scores.
Nobody cares how well you do against the Saudis or Americans. It's a different story how well you can do against Flankers (MKI make) and Rafales.
So MKI is better than anything Americans or Saudis field and i guess Tejas will be better than the MKI....only because India has or will have them....seems you are oblivious to what was happening on and above the LOC in late 2016.
IAF pilots have extensive experience in fighting and defeating the F-16 convincingly. And we have now demonstrated our ability to engage our entire air force for any war effort from a highly disadvantageous position.
And do you think we care how well you may have done against others, the rest of your rant is just fan boy material.


Oh, so that's enough to prove that it's the IAF with the morale issues?

The Air Chief did not fly to make a point to his "better trained" pilots. He flew to make a point to the civilians and bureaucrats who know nothing about the jet fighter business. You see, the military in India is subservient to the civilians.

Care to know the crash rate of the MKIs?
If that was the case then the air chief would have been better flying in the Tejas to convince everyone that it's still a worthy project.
As for the crash rate of MKIs.....well let me tell you, it's much worse than the PAF's F-16.....the Falcons were inducted in the PAF in 1982, it fought against Afghan/Soviet aircraft for some 8 years and bagged around a dozen kills, in 36 years of operations, PAF lost 8 examples at least three of which were unavoidable, keep in mind F-16 is a single engine fighter, the twin engine MKI was introduced in 2002 and in 16 years, the IAF has lost 7 aircraft.....it doesn't have a single kill to it's name.
And since you want comparison, come back when your MKI or any other IAF aircraft achieves this remarkable feat.

Pakistani F-16s reach 100,000 accident free flight hours

http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1468.html
 
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One can understand a leader praising his force specially when it's struggling with issues of moral, but making such bold and ludicrous claims is like being hand in glove with the culprit. Hell even USAF wasn't so convinced or bold with it's claims before attacking likes of Iraq, but the recent self injury by Modi on the so called surgical strikes proves that lies have short legs and first gust of wind will bring the sand castles tumbling down.

Looks like even china has joined Modi in lifting our morale :enjoy:

https://rightlog.in/2018/04/iaf-gagan-shakti-china-01/
 
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https://www.news18.com/news/india/a...iness-to-deal-with-two-front-war-1727245.html

As part of the massive drill, the IAF deployed its entire war waging machinery for the pan-India exercise with fighter jets, equipped with strategic weapons like Brahmos and Harpoon anti ship missiles.

The 13-day long mega military exercise by the Indian Air Force achieved more than its stated "objectives", Air Chief Marshal BS Dhanoa said on Monday, indicating its readiness to deal with a hostile Pakistan and China almost simultaneously.

Two days after curtains came down on Gagan Shakti - the biggest exercise by the IAF in three decades - Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa said over 11,000 sorties were carried out by combat, transport and rotary wing aircraft of the force to test its combat readiness.

"All men and women of the IAF rose to the occasion and achieved things beyond our stated objectives," the IAF Chief told PTI in an interview.

As part of the massive drill from April 8 to 20, the IAF deployed its entire war waging machinery for the pan-India exercise with fighter jets, equipped with strategic weapons like Brahmos and Harpoon anti ship missiles, carrying out deep penetration strikes to revalidate its strategic reach.

"We achieved relocation and rebalancing of assets from one sector to another in 48 hours," Dhanoa said. "The overall objective of Gagan Shakti was fully achieved," he said without elaborating.

Explaining the significance, a senior IAF official said the objective of the rebalancing and relocation was to quickly flatten the enemy in one front and redeploy the assets in another sector within 48 hours - in a possible two-front war scenario.

Dhanoa said the IAF achieved all parameters of serviceability, surge operations, relocation of resources and joint operations with the Army and Navy during the exercise which were crucial aspects of the war fighting machinery.

The combat drill was carried out at a time when China was increasing its assertiveness along the borders with India and while Pakistan has been continuing its skirmishes along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir.

The exercise covered all terrains including desert, high altitude areas like Ladakh, maritime sphere and almost all possible war scenarios were rehearsed on a real time basis.

"We carried out the exercise thinking as if we are going to fight a war," said a senior IAF official.

When asked about reports of the IAF having carried out "strikes in the Malacca Strait, Dhanoa categorically denied it. Officials said the IAF demonstrated its ability to reach maritime targets as far away as 4,000 kilometers in the Malacca Straits but the force stuck to the targets provided by the Indian Navy, none of which were in the waterway around Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia.

The exercise also focused on flexible use of airspace, joint maritime air operations with the Indian Navy, joint operations with the Indian Army, simulated combat search and rescue for effective extraction of downed aircrew behind enemy lines among others.

Officials said the aim of this exercise was to ensure real time coordination and deployment of air power in a short and intense battle scenario and the objective was fully achieved.

They said the concept of network centric operations and long range missions were tested effectively. They said Pakistan and China were informed about the mega exercise.

The officials said state-run defence organisations such as Defence Research and Development Organisation, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Ordnance Factory Board etc also provided adequate support. They said Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman was impressed by the ordnance efficiency.
As the iaf chief name says it all

BS ;)
 
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Seems you have major comprehension issues, read my lines slowly, there's a difference between training and then making a song and dance about it.....all air forces train but not all get humiliated with boasting like cricket scores.

You should actually demonstrate something big before you can talk big, we have done it.

So MKI is better than anything Americans or Saudis field and i guess Tejas will be better than the MKI....only because India has or will have them....seems you are oblivious to what was happening on and above the LOC in late 2016.

And do you think we care how well you may have done against others, the rest of your rant is just fan boy material.

Typical. Straw man. Can't argue to the point.

If that was the case then the air chief would have been better flying in the Tejas to convince everyone that it's still a worthy project.
As for the crash rate of MKIs.....well let me tell you, it's much worse than the PAF's F-16.....the Falcons were inducted in the PAF in 1982, it fought against Afghan/Soviet aircraft for some 8 years and bagged around a dozen kills, in 36 years of operations, PAF lost 8 examples at least three of which were unavoidable, keep in mind F-16 is a single engine fighter, the twin engine MKI was introduced in 2002 and in 16 years, the IAF has lost 7 aircraft.....it doesn't have a single kill to it's name.
And since you want comparison, come back when your MKI or any other IAF aircraft achieves this remarkable feat.

Pakistani F-16s reach 100,000 accident free flight hours

http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1468.html

This is funny. Now you are comparing politics with the MKI.

Two front war, two front war, two front war - why top Indian militarily generals keep parroting about it ? Tomorrow Indian PM is visiting China for better relationship so why so much worry among Indian army establishment about China-Pak joint action against India ? whom are they making fool of ? ofcourse ordinary Indian citizens so that Indian Army can extract more tax from them via defense budget

It's our worse case scenario, a two-front war. So we will obviously talk about it and prepare for it.

The fact that we have spent a lot of money to actually test our war plans for a two front war should prove how much importance we give it.
 
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http://www.pib.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1530094#
Conclusion of Exercise Gaganshakti-2018
Posted On: 24 APR 2018 7:28PM by PIB Delhi

The Indian Air Force conducted pan India Exercise Gagan Shakti-2018 from 08-22 Apr 2018. The aim of the exercise was real time coordination, deployment and employment of air power in a short and intense battle scenario. For an exercise of such scale, the planning process started almost nine months back. During Gagan Shakti-2018, lAF exercised its entire war fighting machinery to validate its concept of operations and war waging capability. The focus of the exercise was to check the viability of our operational plans and learn meaningful lessons.

The exercise was conducted in two phases so that all Commands get adequate opportunity to test the efficacy of their preparedness. Phase-I of the exercise involved activation of Western, South Western and Southern Air Commands, with affiliated Army and Naval components. Phase-II of the exercise involved activation of Western, Central, Eastern and Southern Air Commands. Re-deployment for Phase-II involved relocating the forces so as to be effective at the new Iocations within a short span of 48 hours. This was made possible by round the clock operations of heavy lift transport aircraft like C-17 and IL-76 as well as by employing a large number of tactical airlift aircraft like C-130 and An-32 aircraft. IAF also used civil chartered flight and trains for mobilisation of resources.

During the exercise, all types of combat missions, encompassing all air campaigns, were conducted. Fighter aircraft undertook surge operations i.e. generating maximum number of sorties in a 24 hours cycle. These included long range missions with concentrated live and simulated weapon releases across all air to ground ranges in India, creation of Air Defence umbrella to facilitate operation of ground forces and Counter Surface Force Operations in support of Army in various sectors, during both phases Maritime Operations involving long range maritime strikes with Maritime Reconnaissance support by Indian Navy aircraft were also practiced. The efficacy and integration of indigenous LCA aircraft and Akash Missile system in the operational matrix of the IAF was also checked out. In addition, capabilities of upgraded Mirage-2000 and MiG-29 aircraft were tested for the first time in an operational environment. All types of aerial weapons, including standoff and precision weapons were employed to validate their use in the Air Operations Matrix.

Combat Support Operations involved missions by force enablers like AWACS and Air to Air refuellers, Special Ops comprising a Battalion Group paradrop, Special Ops with Garud Commandos, Combat Search and Rescue for effective extraction of downed aircrew behind enemy lines, sea rescue and operations from Advanced Landing Grounds. The transport aircraft also undertook mass casualty evacuation missions in all Commands employing C-17, C-130 and An-32 aircraft. Helicopter missions included Special Heliborne Operations, casualty evacuation, strike missions against enemy formations and Inter-Valley Troop Transfer.

For joint operations, lAF’s joint command and control structures with Indian Army and Navy, such as Advance HQ of IAF co-located with Army Commands, Tactical Air Centres, Maritime Air Ops Centre and Maritime Elements of Air Force etc, were activated. Army troops and combat vehicles were deployed to simulate Tactical Battle Areas in all Commands and some of the Army exercises were dovetailed with air operations for simulation of realistic battlefield environment. Ships were deployed, both in the Arabian Sea as well as in Bay of Bengal, for anti-shipping strikes by IAF maritime aircraft operating from bases on the east and west coast, as well as from island territories.

During the exercise, more than 11000 sorties were flown, which include approx 9000 sorties by fighter aircraft.

To sustain the tempo of operations on such a large scale, on a 24 x 7 basis, the training status of entire IAF was enhanced, especially the aircrew. All qualified and medically fit crew upto 48 years of age were made proficient and current by giving them re-validation training on combat assets, employed during the exercise. Even the technical manpower focused on their primary tasks and rehearsed their SOPs/ practices in the run up to the exercise. Over 1,400 officers and 14,000 men were pulled out of training establishments and deployed for the exercise, to augment existing resources.

Intense operations of this magnitude, in a short span of time, involved very close coordination with Airport Authority of India for airspace coordination. It was an endeavour of the IAF to conduct this exercise with negligible disruptions of civil traffic anywhere in the country. IAF had also activated a number of civil airfields to support combat operations during the exercise.

All operations were conducted in a Network Enabled scenario with a very high reliability of communications, networked air defence systems employing op enabling software.

A major highlight of the exercise was a very high availability and reliability of all combat assets including aircraft, missile systems and radars. High tempo operations also enabled the IAF to ascertain sustainability of the logistics chain.

IAF was able to achieve 80% serviceability of aircraft while radars and surface to air guided weapons maintained a serviceability of 97%, which included some of the legacy systems that were over 40 years old. Focused effort enabled a dispatch rate of more than 95% for the Combat Assets, 100% availability of Combat Support Systems and almost 100% dispatch rates of Combat Enablers. This had been possible due to good planning and dedicated efforts of our airwarriors as well as continuous support by DPSUs that is HAL, BEL and DRDO. Flight line unserviceabilities were promptly rectified by dedicated maintenance crew. The logistics stamina of the IAF and the ability to sustain continuous operations through day and night was put through a rigorous assessment. Contingencies such as repair of battle damaged aircraft and relocation,of essential services due to enemy air action were also practiced.

The exercise also focused heavily on base security aspects. Simulated drills involving infiltration into operational area by various means were practiced. Dedicated contingencies were conducted towards sustaining operations in a Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear attack scenario. Different techniques for repairing runway after bomb damage were practiced in addition to restoration of essential services and mass casualty evacuation at forward bases. Extensive coordination with Territorial Army Units and Local Civil Administration was undertaken to refine response during various security and administrative contingencies.

Exercise Gagan Shakti-2018 provided IAF with an excellent opportunity to practice its war time drills and undertake operations in realistic scenario. Activities were undertaken in a cohesive manner to achieve the stated objectives of the Indian Air Force, in case of any contingency. The exercise also enabled the IAF to validate operational efficacy of new platforms and refine existing Standard Operating Procedures. Joint operations with Army and Navy, conducted during the exercise, would help in achieving better operational synergy between the three services, in application of combat power.
 
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No F-16 has held any sort of advantage over the Su-30MKI ever, proven through exercises with the USAF and RSAF. Neither in dog fights nor in LFEs.

These guys just get drubbed before going home.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...lue-training-with-indian-air-force-ng-9448722

How many times have your air force exercised with the Malaysians or Algerians against a similar type of Flanker?

As for the China factor, have you ever bothered to check how many assets they have actually deployed against us and how long they will actually take to deploy enough assets to fight us?

The IAF has less numbers right now. However, due to the geography, we command complete dominance against China in their western sector while we have enough assets to protect ourselves in the eastern sector. The bulk of our air force remains deployed against Pakistan.



Why don't you demonstrate your abilities with exercises of equal intensity then?



Both IA and IN were involved in the exercises.



IAF is not struggling with any morale issue. Nor are any of the other wings.

I understand your point.i have never said that su-30 can't stand a chance against vipers.su-30 is a very dangerous fighter plane and great machine.my point is very clear.you just can't deploy all 272 su-30s against us.we know this.india knows this.pakistani calculation is based on the total number of Indian tanks fighters etc.we know you can't deploy all your assets.this is an advantage for pakistan.india have 13 lakh army.they can only deploy half or more than half against Pakistan.might be 8 or 9 lakh but Pakistan can bring almost 5 lakh on indian border and rest will protect afghan border.i have said one thing several times.india is facing two countries with a history of war.china is far better when it comes to number of weapons.india always have disadvantage because your armed forces knows how China is preparing itself for future conflicts.very important thing is the number of weapons they made by themselves.india fight a useless war in 62 but enmity between India and China is a blessing for Pakistan.question is why India still have bad relations with China? And look at Pakistan China friendship.we are working together and they are helping us using modern technology.it is hard for India to deploy everything against Pakistan and we know this.
 
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I understand your point.i have never said that su-30 can't stand a chance against vipers.su-30 is a very dangerous fighter plane and great machine.my point is very clear.you just can't deploy all 272 su-30s against us.we know this.india knows this.pakistani calculation is based on the total number of Indian tanks fighters etc.we know you can't deploy all your assets.this is an advantage for pakistan.india have 13 lakh army.they can only deploy half or more than half against Pakistan.might be 8 or 9 lakh but Pakistan can bring almost 5 lakh on indian border and rest will protect afghan border.i have said one thing several times.india is facing two countries with a history of war.china is far better when it comes to number of weapons.india always have disadvantage because your armed forces knows how China is preparing itself for future conflicts.very important thing is the number of weapons they made by themselves.india fight a useless war in 62 but enmity between India and China is a blessing for Pakistan.question is why India still have bad relations with China? And look at Pakistan China friendship.we are working together and they are helping us using modern technology.it is hard for India to deploy everything against Pakistan and we know this.

I think you should focus more on the firepower and staying power aspects of the aircraft and men on the ground rather than simply talk about numbers. For example, the F-16s are no match to the MKIs, no matter how much the die hards here will tell you otherwise. Yeah, we will likely lose a few dozen jets, but the result will be lopsided in favour of India.

Also, when you say we can't bring in all our MKIs, what makes you think even 180 MKIs are a small number? Do you know that the USAF have only 75+ operational F-15Cs for the air superiority mission (not the National Guard, only USAF), apart from the F-22s? 180 MKIs is a level of firepower you cannot imagine.

If it's only an Indo-Pak war, then you can be assured that a huge chunk of our aerial assets will be deployed against Pakistan. This exercise was meant to validate the two-front war.

As for China, the only way a two-front war will play out is if China declares war on India, only then will Pak be forced to participate. Or if there is a much wider global confrontation.

China won't interfere in any Indo-Pak war. Let's be clear on that.

If the Chinese increase the tempo of their operations near the Indian border, then the Americans and Japanese will do the same on the Chinese east coast. It's the Chinese who risk getting involved in a wider conflict which will include Japan and the US. So it's not as easy as you believe for the Chinese to go to war against India.

Basically, an Indo-Pak war will be fought on India's terms, which means a winter battle, which means the Chinese are not going to do much on their front.
 
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Can be won with sticks n stones.

Einstein is wrong lol
 
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half of iaf fleet is grounded at any given time due to poor training and practices. f16 with amraam is more then enough to deal with iaf
 
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I think you should focus more on the firepower and staying power aspects of the aircraft and men on the ground rather than simply talk about numbers. For example, the F-16s are no match to the MKIs, no matter how much the die hards here will tell you otherwise. Yeah, we will likely lose a few dozen jets, but the result will be lopsided in favour of India.

The significant degrading in the Pakistani conventional military can be gauged by their over reliance on both the Chinese angle and the nuclear threshold. F-16 and JF 17s both combined will not be a problem. They still do not realise it. Good for us. Another 5 years with increase in military spending from our side and their reliance on the Chinese will be complete.
 
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I think you should focus more on the firepower and staying power aspects of the aircraft and men on the ground rather than simply talk about numbers. For example, the F-16s are no match to the MKIs, no matter how much the die hards here will tell you otherwise. Yeah, we will likely lose a few dozen jets, but the result will be lopsided in favour of India.

Also, when you say we can't bring in all our MKIs, what makes you think even 180 MKIs are a small number? Do you know that the USAF have only 75+ operational F-15Cs for the air superiority mission (not the National Guard, only USAF), apart from the F-22s? 180 MKIs is a level of firepower you cannot imagine.

If it's only an Indo-Pak war, then you can be assured that a huge chunk of our aerial assets will be deployed against Pakistan. This exercise was meant to validate the two-front war.

As for China, the only way a two-front war will play out is if China declares war on India, only then will Pak be forced to participate. Or if there is a much wider global confrontation.

China won't interfere in any Indo-Pak war. Let's be clear on that.

If the Chinese increase the tempo of their operations near the Indian border, then the Americans and Japanese will do the same on the Chinese east coast. It's the Chinese who risk getting involved in a wider conflict which will include Japan and the US. So it's not as easy as you believe for the Chinese to go to war against India.

Basically, an Indo-Pak war will be fought on India's terms, which means a winter battle, which means the Chinese are not going to do much on their front.

i don't think that china will stay silent.they have invested huge amount of money and their project CPEC will generate lots of money.i don't think that india will deploy 185 or 200 su-30s against pakistan.i admire su-30 but i know how pakistani pilots operate f-16s.they love f-16s and the level of expertise is much greater than indians because we are operating this jet since 80s.even if you send 180 su-30s,you can't neglect ground forces of pakistan.su-30s have to enter inside pakistani territory to provide cover for indian mirages.this is where pakistani vipers play a crucial role.also don't forget jf-17s.jf-17s is not designed to go deep inside india.it's designed to engage hostile fighters near border.so su30s might not face f-16s alone.also india might send a large wave of su-30s, mirages and migs but with right combination,pakistan still can repel it.don't forget rocket forces.sams are everywhere,near every major air base,near border.to avoid sams,mirages might fly very low and su-30s might attack sams but flying low for mirages is also dangerous.pakistan have shoulder fired missiles.i don't think that it is easy.chinese entrance into bhutan or doklam validates chinese intention.they are very clear when it comes to policy.they just need a chance.their growing relation with nepal and sri lanka and their ports in indian ocean is a direct message for india.i still don't think that india will deploy everything.i believe that chinese factor is always been there.
 
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i don't think that china will stay silent.they have invested huge amount of money and their project CPEC will generate lots of money.

If things are gonna go nuclear, why will they interfere and risk attacks on their own cities?

i don't think that india will deploy 185 or 200 su-30s against pakistan.

There are 9 squadrons of MKI deployed against PAF. 1 in South India and 4 in Northeast India. And those other 5 squadrons can also be deployed against Pakistan during wartime due to their range.

i admire su-30 but i know how pakistani pilots operate f-16s.they love f-16s and the level of expertise is much greater than indians because we are operating this jet since 80s.even if you send 180 su-30s,you can't neglect ground forces of pakistan.su-30s have to enter inside pakistani territory to provide cover for indian mirages.this is where pakistani vipers play a crucial role.

The Su-30s do not do escort, that's the job of the Mig-21s and then the LCAs in the near future. The Su-30s do top cover, fighter sweep etc in such missions.

also don't forget jf-17s.jf-17s is not designed to go deep inside india.it's designed to engage hostile fighters near border.so su30s might not face f-16s alone.also india might send a large wave of su-30s, mirages and migs but with right combination,pakistan still can repel it.don't forget rocket forces.sams are everywhere,near every major air base,near border.to avoid sams,mirages might fly very low and su-30s might attack sams but flying low for mirages is also dangerous.pakistan have shoulder fired missiles.i don't think that it is easy.

This is all pretty generic and both sides have it. The only difference is Indian equipment is now qualitatively and quantitatively ahead.

chinese entrance into bhutan or doklam validates chinese intention.they are very clear when it comes to policy.they just need a chance.their growing relation with nepal and sri lanka and their ports in indian ocean is a direct message for india.i still don't think that india will deploy everything.i believe that chinese factor is always been there.

If the Chinese try anything in Doklam, they will get annihilated in that region. We have far too many troops there.

They do not hold a major advantage in any region on the Indian border.
 
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