Afghans stop 200 Pakistani containers

[jha]

It will be real life Kabul Express.

We will enter via Wagah, ride to Peshawar over two days, stay for a couple of days (I want to pick up some guns along the way at Derra Adam Khel), then cross across to Kabul, stay there for a couple of days, ride down to Helmand, and then cross into Iran.

Ride around Iran for a week before heading back - or catching a ferry at Char Bahar.

Ideally I would like to do Turkey also - but leaves may be an issue.

Doctor Saab... Saath saath chalenge...

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I read in CNN that KKH is one of the most dangerous roads in the world and GB side is unpaved. Certainly not vible for large scale trade, such roads only benefit for supply routes to far flung areas.

it's the highest motorway in the world; what makes it dangerous are the heights and the lack of guard rails at certain points where the road curves and where highway discipline isn't observed the way it would be on Lahore-Isloo motorway for example.

btw our trade with CARs hardly constitutes "large scale trade" ---they are not even a secondary market of ours, though at some point i'm sure we hope to change that since they benefit a lot from regional integration

i doubt they are any more 'dangerous' than your chaotic, pot-holed streets of delhi and mumbai

 

[MilSpec]

it's the highest motorway in the world; what makes it dangerous are the heights and the lack of guard rails at certain points where the road curves and where highway discipline isn't observed the way it would be on Lahore-Isloo motorway for example.

btw our trade with CARs hardly constitutes "large scale trade" ---they are not even a secondary market of ours, though at some point i'm sure we hope to change that since they benefit a lot from regional integration

i doubt they are any more 'dangerous' than your chaotic, pot-holed streets of delhi and mumbai

You are right, roads in mumbai and delhi often get rpg hit's, dont they?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Emotions emotions emotions! we are no longer using low quality Pakistani wheat as I said it's been only used by villages bordering from last 2 years we have grown up enough wheat and corn to even export it!

1,000 metric tonnes produced in Afghanistan is 1/4th of what you are getting from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa alone.

low quality wheat? i'd like to think we keep the best quality for ourselves and just give you the leftovers at the bottom of the crate.....beggars can't be choosers. Be happy that despite the badmashi coming from your side that the border is even open. If we were like Turkey or Iran, there would be F-16s flying over Kabul for every mortar or arty shell you send to our villages in Bajaur and elsewhere (just another example of Afghanistan's govt. stabbing itself and its people in the foot)

and about cement? 2 factories have just opened and 1 big other is on bid to open which will overcome all of our needs and fertilizers it's good we are not producing any we will import it from some where else and for gods sake all this long we imported anything from Pakistan was not free we paid you!!

at least as far as national income is concerned you guys gain b/c a good chunk of what is exported is re-smuggled by afghans into Pakistan (shame on us for not being more vigilant however) and sold for profit.

on cement -- it is true that Pakistan's market share is decreasing but that is more due to the fact that because of increasing overheads (caused by fuel price spike or the need for generators/UPS to overcome load shedding in certain industrial cities) it is hard to compete with Iranian cement which is relatively cheaper. Even then the eastern sector still relies heavily on goods from Pakistan side.

as for fertilizer --- you guys hardly make any....we sell you fertilizer and you guys use it to build bombs - some which end up being used against us.

forget payments...business is business. If you cant control Kabul, how can we expect you to ensure that terrorists in Afghanistan (hired guns by certain enemy elements infiltrated in your country) are or are not allowed to use Afghanistan as a base to attack Pakistan? Many of the Pakhtun tribes along the border are taking matters into their own hands now and forming lashkars to combat the terrorists from your side. And while i have reservations about civilian vigilante actions, i cant exactly blame them!

our imports created millions of jobs and billions of revenue in Pakistan you are blind to see and hurt that it's decreasing day by day

those so-called "millions" of jobs exist only b/c of foreign contractors whose boots are in your country...when that money dries up, they will think 5 times before stepping foot in Afghanistan.....

expat earnings do not constitute "state revenues"

if it did --- then using that (ill)logic --the Afghan exchequer should send a bouquet of flowers to Pakistani small businesses or informal sector which employ hundreds of thousands - if not millions of your illegal Afghan refugees (some of whom have criminal tendencies)

Your own soldiers are not safe let alone civilians secure your country first and stop spreading terrorism in neighboring countries!

a soldier is not worth his salt if he is hiding and being safe.....whereas they are out in the field kicking terrorist azzes and dying while doing it. That is war. As for terrorism, stop allowing your territory to be used against Pakistan. Until you do that and until you take charge over at least Kabul and Kandahar -- we will do whatever we have to do to safeguard our interests.

even NATO (the people really calling the shots in Kabul) sees that which is why they are always anxious to ensure that "Pakistan is onboard"


but of course if all else fails, you will spit your venom against Pakistan but you probably already have a cousin or an uncle in Pakistan with a safe-house waiting, so that when shyt hits the fan (which it might) you will have somewhere safe to hide and go to sleep and get what no others offered you

 

[INDIC]

it's the highest motorway in the world; what makes it dangerous are the heights and the lack of guard rails at certain points where the road curves and where highway discipline isn't observed the way it would be on Lahore-Isloo motorway for example.

btw our trade with CARs hardly constitutes "large scale trade" ---they are not even a secondary market of ours, though at some point i'm sure we hope to change that since they benefit a lot from regional integration

i doubt they are any more 'dangerous' than your chaotic, pot-holed streets of delhi and mumbai

Potholes?? I think Pakistan still far behind to experience BRTS, Local trains, Metro Rail, Monorail.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Potholes?? I think Pakistan still far behind to experience BRTS, Local trains, Metro Rail, Monorail.

If a Pakistani could choose between taking a train and making it to work at 7:15 AM or driving in his Corolla in traffic and making it to work at 7:45, he would choose the latter

not merely b/c having a car in Pakistan is a 'status' thing for some, but decent public transport is still a new concept (even for developed cities like Lahore which already had a good bus system)

you indians have always been communal/socialist type thinkers since the day the brits gave you india. From earlier on despite all the garbage of socialism ideology, at least "communal" methods were given more consideration which is why your fed capital (which is over-crowded and has parts that are poorly pacved) has trains and other methods of public transport whereas in Islamabad public transport is either neglected or just frowned upon (both perhaps)


wayy off topic though so chuck it

 

[Dance]

Let them.

Fact is that whatever "hurt" they can cause on Pakistan in is reality not much and is not going to make a difference.

Pakistan has the upper hand in pretty much everything in regards to afghanistan and people should remember that

 

[KS]

Afghanistan's problem is that its not an Afghan state, its an extension of the Indian state. They will always put India's interests first, then America's second.

Afghanistan's problem is its refusal to be a proxy to Pakistan and refusing the Pindi concept of strategic depth. Nothing else.

And Afg is a sovereign state, whose interests they put first is not for Pakistan to decide. Its upto the Afghans to decide. Pakistan has to live with it.

 

[KS]

You want more suicide bombings in your country ? so many deads are not enough ? what a sick guy you are lol

They have a concept of Good Taliban and Bad Taliban not knowing they all are cut from the same cloth. And they also think that they are super smart to play the different ethnicities of Afghanistan against each other and warm up in the destruction. But such things should not shock you.

Yup like Iran did in the '90s when it supported all the factions that later constituted the Northern Alliance - the reason why we made the Taliban to begin with ! Yeah I'm sure Iran supports all ethnicities in Afghanistan .

The chronology is a bit reversed. Taliban did not arise due to Northern Alliance. But rather the reverse. The disparate warlords who were all opposed to Taliban joined up and formed the Northern Alliance.

And its true..The Taliban (which is more of Pindi's proxy) does not represent the common Pasthun who still has more cultural links with his Iranic brothers than Punjabis.

 

[INDIC]

If a Pakistani could choose between taking a train and making it to work at 7:15 AM or driving in his Corolla in traffic and making it to work at 7:45, he would choose the latter

not merely b/c having a car in Pakistan is a 'status' thing for some, but decent public transport is still a new concept (even for developed cities like Lahore which already had a good bus system)

you indians have always been communal/socialist type thinkers since the day the brits gave you india. From earlier on despite all the garbage of socialism ideology, at least "communal" methods were given more consideration which is why your fed capital (which is over-crowded and has parts that are poorly pacved) has trains and other methods of public transport whereas in Islamabad public transport is either neglected or just frowned upon (both perhaps)


wayy off topic though so chuck it

Everyone don't have Corolla to ride, people mostly ride on buses in a city. I already mentioned about BRTS which are dedicated lanes for bus. I believe you tried for circular railway in Karachi which was a big fail.

 

[KS]

Afghanistan is in the position it is today because of the US led War on Terror; there is nothing to suggest that NA would have been any more benevolent than the Taliban considering that they've got more than enough blood on their hands as well.

Actually both were just as bad; just look at the amount of atrocities attributable to the NA ! I don't really know what their opinion on women or schools was but then again I've heard Taliban spokespersons too talking to a different tune.

In those areas controlled by NA:

the religious minorities were not persecuted on the scale of Taliban and religious freedom was much more than in Taliban areas.
the women had much more freedom and were not treated as objects of pleasure inside a ninja dress as in taliban areas
the women had the liberty to seek education and go to work
there was no rigid implementation of stone age laws in the name of religion.
terrorists from all over the world were not given sanctuary and allowed to carry on their global jehadist agenda.

Overall it was a much more benign, liberal atmosphere when compared to Taliban areas.

You know when the US declares war on you, it will launch attacks on Iran through Afghanistan and if India's support is required they would provide it too.

There is only ONE country who has explicitly stated it won't allow US to attack Iran from its territory - that's Pakistan.

He he...clever ruse.

What was that which made Pakistan join WOT ? - phone call from Bush or as some say Colin Powelll

Tomorrow if there is another call of the same nature from Obama or Hillary

Pakistan will join the war without uttering a word.

 

[KS]

Pakistan has learned the lessen from English masters(first England & US) very well divide & rule. We have cordial relations with IRAN & it will be foreseeable future no matter how much mud you try to throw on us.

Bang on !

And its mostly a particular group of people in Pakistan.

 

[A1Kaid]

I'm pretty sure knowing the Afghans they have probably already looted the tankers and have stolen everything inside by now. What a shame.

 

[EagleEyes]

that even main cities will no longer have some backwards afghans and their disgusting unhygienic encroachment littering our cities like Peshawar.
Are you really responding to misinformed? it is clear as crystal that you strongely dislike Afghans, why? for sake of Pakistan?. My brotherly suggestion, leave the job of Afghan bashing to Punjabis and Mohajirs, dont get your hands dirty, dont act like a "house negro". Ya i know you love Pakistan, patriotism and all that, but its not your some kind of religous duty to bash Afghans unless you do it for point scoring.

Lets tone down the sarcasm.

 

[Sher Malang]

1,000 metric tonnes produced in Afghanistan is 1/4th of what you are getting from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa alone.

low quality wheat? i'd like to think we keep the best quality for ourselves and just give you the leftovers at the bottom of the crate.....beggars can't be choosers. Be happy that despite the badmashi coming from your side that the border is even open. If we were like Turkey or Iran, there would be F-16s flying over Kabul for every mortar or arty shell you send to our villages in Bajaur and elsewhere (just another example of Afghanistan's govt. stabbing itself and its people in the foot)

at least as far as national income is concerned you guys gain b/c a good chunk of what is exported is re-smuggled by afghans into Pakistan (shame on us for not being more vigilant however) and sold for profit.

Sorry to interfere into your ignorance but the figures of 2012 are:

Wheat produced: 5 million tons
Corn produced: 6.7 million tons
Rice produced: 500,000 tones
Maize produced: 300,000 tones

Afghanistan Has Bumper Corn Harvest

It's a total of our 95% needs produced within the country only 5% were imported in 2012, wait for 3 or 5 more years and you would see high quality rice and wheat of Afghanistan in Pakistan

And kindly don't compare your self to Turkey or Iran they are civil!

And stop your bogus there this is the same shitty chaki a atta you people eat in Pakistan and export it to Afghanistan! fool some other people who don't know you or your country!

Smuggling is a long culture of Pakistanis they smuggle wheat, ghee, cattle etc.. into Afghanistan for more profit it has nothing to do with us!

on cement -- it is true that Pakistan's market share is decreasing but that is more due to the fact that because of increasing overheads (caused by fuel price spike or the need for generators/UPS to overcome load shedding in certain industrial cities) it is hard to compete with Iranian cement which is relatively cheaper. Even then the eastern sector still relies heavily on goods from Pakistan side.

We are still the biggest importer of Pakistani cement:

Afghanistan remains key market for Pak cement | The Nation

We are holding your key export nerves imagine if we abandon importing all these one day? actually it's already happening

as for fertilizer --- you guys hardly make any....we sell you fertilizer and you guys use it to build bombs - some which end up being used against us.

forget payments...business is business. If you cant control Kabul, how can we expect you to ensure that terrorists in Afghanistan (hired guns by certain enemy elements infiltrated in your country) are or are not allowed to use Afghanistan as a base to attack Pakistan? Many of the Pakhtun tribes along the border are taking matters into their own hands now and forming lashkars to combat the terrorists from your side. And while i have reservations about civilian vigilante actions, i cant exactly blame them!

You don't sell us nor they are costumed your agencies smuggle it into Afghanistan for making IEDs it is actually food for your war and support to the insurgents and you are right tribes are the guts of Pakistan you don't have their support you don't have Pakistan next day! thank them day and night and don't call them akhrods

those so-called "millions" of jobs exist only b/c of foreign contractors whose boots are in your country...when that money dries up, they will think 5 times before stepping foot in Afghanistan.....

expat earnings do not constitute "state revenues"

if it did --- then using that (ill)logic --the Afghan exchequer should send a bouquet of flowers to Pakistani small businesses or informal sector which employ hundreds of thousands - if not millions of your illegal Afghan refugees (some of whom have criminal tendencies)

Because of foreign contractors? WTF each of your worker is registered to the ministry of foreign affairs your workers can't move their tails without their permission! this money is not going to dry up but lastly I came to know that a decree has been issued to restrict and terminate contracts of Pakistani workers in NGOs and government offices!

You are on denial it's not just so far to go but to look in to the same forum for a detailed report on how it helps and feeds millions in Pakistan!

www.defence.pk/forums/afghanistan-defence/214141-afghanistan-emerges-new-job-market-pakistanis.html

a soldier is not worth his salt if he is hiding and being safe.....whereas they are out in the field kicking terrorist azzes and dying while doing it. That is war. As for terrorism, stop allowing your territory to be used against Pakistan. Until you do that and until you take charge over at least Kabul and Kandahar -- we will do whatever we have to do to safeguard our interests.

even NATO (the people really calling the shots in Kabul) sees that which is why they are always anxious to ensure that "Pakistan is onboard"


but of course if all else fails, you will spit your venom against Pakistan but you probably already have a cousin or an uncle in Pakistan with a safe-house waiting, so that when shyt hits the fan (which it might) you will have somewhere safe to hide and go to sleep and get what no others offered you

Pakistan is on board because it has a big bunch of terrorists it's feeding!! it's impossible to ignore it and NATO knows it.

There is nothing going happen to prove your fantasy care for your own titanic like sinking country!