Afghanistan losing interest in trade links with Pakistan

[Multani]

There is more chance of everlasting peace with India then with Afghans, most Afghan nationalist call Pakistanis as Hindu converts, daal khors, slaves. They have the historical butthurt, after ruling most of modern day Pakistan, they can't believe that those same daal khors and slaves today have one of the largest army in the world/nuclear weapons and the ''superior'' Afghans are still using donkeys as mode of transport.

Jaanbaz bhai, excellent post

Though the indian hindu nationalist wants a genocide of Muslims in Pakistan.

But not the Afghan. They just want supremacy.

 

[Salik]

When Pakistan was 1st created, we started off with nothing. Anything of value and worth were all given to india by the british. We had a powerful enemy 8 times our size to our east and a hostile nation of Afghanistan to our west. At the time, Afghanistan was a fairly powerful and prosperous nation. Nearly all the nations that bordered us did not want us to exist. It was stated by many leading british, indian and Afghan political experts and leading public figures (the ghandis, lord mountbatten and alledgedly winston churchill too) that Pakistan would not exist after December 1947. NO other nation in the history of mankind born in Pakistan's circmstances has existed for more than 5 years. The founder of our nation passed away within a year of the birth of Pakistan. Pakistan was literally like a baby born virtually in a coma on a life support machine whose mother dies within a year of it's birth. Fast foward 69 years to the year 2016. Pakistan is now the world's only Muslim nuclear weapons state with a rapidly expanding and advancing nuclear weapons arsenal and missile program. We have a very powerful and advancing military force. So much so that even america (who has the world's strongest military and has publically advocated our extermination in "the plans for a new american century") and india who is 8 times our size (and has the backing of the entire west) is reluctant to invade or attack us. Pakistan has also now started the journey (thanks to our brother nation of China) to one day indigenously produce high tech and world class military equipment and technologies. Pakistan now is also on the verge of potentially becoming a world class economy thanks again to China and CPEC. Our existence, survival and rise is a miracle. Although most Pakistanis are overly critical and ungreatful of Pakistan, make no mistake about it, our enemies are fully aware of our unmatched resillience, strength, capabilities and potential. That's why our enemies can't do nothing to us even though they hate us to the core. So to the above article, PAKISTAN WILL OVERCOME AND BECOME A MAJOR POWER. Within the next 10-20 years I predict that Pakistan will see amazing progress and developments.

Why is it that when we fast forward we end up on nuclear weapons and missile technology and not cricket world cup. Or any other achievement could be mission to the Moon or the Mars. As we had models of missiles on every chowk, nuclear weapon is on top in every debate. Such an immature behaviour, India does not talk about 'First Hindu Bomb'. Nuclear weapons could not save the loss of lives of 60,000 Pakistanis, CPEC is not guarantee of social ills of Pakistan. Our literacy rate is around 50%. So lot of work is to be done and turn focus from weapons to social achievements.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why is it that when we fast forward we end up on nuclear weapons and missile technology and not cricket world cup. Or any other achievement could be mission to the Moon or the Mars. As we had models of missiles on every chowk, nuclear weapon is on top in every debate. Such an immature behaviour, India does not talk about 'First Hindu Bomb'. Nuclear weapons could not save the loss of lives of 60,000 Pakistanis, CPEC is not guarantee of social ills of Pakistan. Our literacy rate is around 50%. So lot of work is to be done and turn focus from weapons to social achievements.

When Pakistan was 1st created we were set up for failure by all the world's major powers at the time. The fact that we have somehow managed to survive as a nation for so long is a miracle in it's self. The people who run america wrote (back in 2000) in the plans for a "new american century" that Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan and Iran should be terminated as nations. They made public their plans to destroy Pakistan and split it into 5 or more seperate states. We all know the fate and holocaust that was committed against all those above mentioned nations apart from Pakistan and Iran. Contrary to popular myth and propaganda, the reason why the americans dare not attack/invade Pakistan is because we have a very powerful military and nuclear weapons force. If we didn't, Pakistan's fate would be far worst that of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or Libya. That's why we covet nuclear weapons, missiles and our military. Although the americans could defeat us in a war we could inflict massive unacceptable damage to them that and set a blaze the surrounding region.

Traveling to the moon or mars is the least of our priorities and a luxury we cannot afford. Especially when you have the world's most powerful country wanting to turn us into the holocaust that is Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan.

Social reform cannot be achieved until all sectors of our economy begin to improve and our military continues to strengthen. Please don't underestimate the massive foreign and external threats Pakistan faces. And I don't mean just the indians.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Stop living in delusions bro, reason america not attacked pakistan after 9/11 is not strong pakistan army. Rather you r changed your side. After america threatened to bomb you back to stone age your generals starts wetting their pants . Suddenly they abandoned afghanistan taliban government . You opened your military bases for america. Without iota of shame your country facilitated invasion of your friendly country by another oveseas country

The Iraqis did everything and more the americans asked of them. Way more than what the Pakistanis did. Yet the americans still committed a holocaust against them. Becasuse they could they did. indian delusions and fantasies about Pakistan not having an extremely powerful military force is just as ridiculous as indian claims prior to may 1998 that Pakistan could NEVER EVER have nuclear weapons with or without Chinese assistance. The americans did not attack Pakistan for the same reason the indians didn't attack Pakistan even after mumbai 26/11/2008.

 

[Salik]

When Pakistan was 1st created we were set up for failure by all the world's major powers at the time. The fact that we have somehow managed to survive as a nation for so long is a miracle in it's self. The people who run america wrote (back in 2000) in the plans for a "new american century" that Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan and Iran should be terminated as nations. They made public their plans to destroy Pakistan and split it into 5 or more seperate states. We all know the fate and holocaust that was committed against all those above mentioned nations apart from Pakistan and Iran. Contrary to popular myth and propaganda, the reason why the americans dare not attack/invade Pakistan is because we have a very powerful military and nuclear weapons force. If we didn't, Pakistan's fate would be far worst that of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or Libya. That's why we covet nuclear weapons, missiles and our military. Although the americans could defeat us in a war we could inflict massive unacceptable damage to them that and set a blaze the surrounding region.

Traveling to the moon or mars is the least of our priorities and a luxury we cannot afford. Especially when you have the world's most powerful country wanted to turn us into the holocaust that is Iraq, Syria, Libya or Afghanistan.

Social reform cannot be achieved until all sectors of our economy begin to improve and our military continues to strengthen. Please don't underestimate the massive foreign and external threats Pakistan faces. And I don't mean just the indians.

Amerika was all set to invade Pakistan, iron was hot and they were ready to strike if Musharraf had not come in terms. Otherwise there was huge world pressure as well on Pakistan to surrender nukes. Even your dearest friends had nothing to say. So diplomacy saved Pakistan not nukes.

Winning cricket world cup was not in your priorities either. But when people do their respective job they excel automatically.

Social reforms are easy but you relate everything with military by hook or by crook. For example you declared CPEC routes as backbone of defence line. You teach your children this and that countries are enemy. What can you expect in return?

 

[Khan_21]

Why is it that when we fast forward we end up on nuclear weapons and missile technology and not cricket world cup. Or any other achievement could be mission to the Moon or the Mars. As we had models of missiles on every chowk, nuclear weapon is on top in every debate. Such an immature behaviour, India does not talk about 'First Hindu Bomb'. Nuclear weapons could not save the loss of lives of 60,000 Pakistanis, CPEC is not guarantee of social ills of Pakistan. Our literacy rate is around 50%. So lot of work is to be done and turn focus from weapons to social achievements.

We already have 2 cricket world cups?

4 in hockey ( most by any nation)

Given The level isn't there anymore but Pakistan has excelled in Hockey , Squash and Cricket and revolutionized each sports.

 

[Salik]

The terrain is just not ideal. The only way we can build a proper fence is if we take large amounts of Afghan territory and then build a wall on our new border. However, I don't think that would sit well with the US or the Afghan population.

Terrain is not ideal, we can build a fence few hundred miles inside Afghan territory or few hundred miles inside our land where terrain suitable.

We have millions of Afghan refugees, if we claim some Afghan territory for them near the border we can settle them there and make a model city for them. It will solve fence issue and belated refugees problem as well, as they will be literally sent back.

How is that?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Amerika was all set to invade Pakistan, iron was hot and they were ready to strike if Musharraf had not come in terms. Otherwise there was huge world pressure as well on Pakistan to surrender nukes. Even your dearest friends had nothing to say. So diplomacy saved Pakistan not nukes.

Winning cricket world cup was not in your priorities either. But when people do their respective job they excel automatically.

Social reforms are easy but you relate everything with military by hook or by crook. For example you declared CPEC routes as backbone of defence line. You teach your children this and that countries are enemy. What can you expect in return?

The Iraqis caved in and acquiesced to the americans wayyyy more than the Pakistanis did yet they were still destroyed and annihilated. Extreme diplomacy did not stop them from destruction nor was it the REAL reason the americans were not able to invade or attack Pakistan but were limited to drone strikes. The rulers of america have an agenda that they will stick to till death. That agenda includes the destruction of Pakistan as well as other certain nations. Whoever they can destroy they will. Their actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are evidence of this. They don't care about world opinion and world pressure.

I don't see the relevance of Pakistan winning the 1992 cricket world cup with the Pakistan military.

Seems like there any many on PDF who think it's a sin or a crime to say anything positive or factual about the Pakistan military or Pakistan in general.

 

[Hamza913]

Terrain is not ideal, we can build a fence few hundred miles inside Afghan territory or few hundred miles inside our land where terrain suitable.

We have millions of Afghan refugees, if we claim some Afghan territory for them near the border we can settle them there and make a model city for them. It will solve fence issue and belated refugees problem as well, as they will be literally sent back.

How is that?

As I said, we cannot just take Afghan territory. It is immoral and uncalled for. Also, the Taliban would try to take back that territory relentlessly.

 

[BattleWolf]

As I said, we cannot just take Afghan territory. It is immoral and uncalled for. Also, the Taliban would try to take back that territory relentlessly.

that would be the least of your problems .annexing Afghanistan means war with multiple countries or getting sanctioned crippling your economy to irrelevance .

 

[Salik]

As I said, we cannot just take Afghan territory. It is immoral and uncalled for. Also, the Taliban would try to take back that territory relentlessly.

We can ask UN to give a piece of land from Afghanistan near the border for Afghan refugees, for their own people. It can be under UN or Pakistani control until rest of Afghanistan is on track of stability.

I think its best solution of many problems.

Either merge Afghan refugees in Pakistani population or make special arrangements for them as i have suggested.

 

[airmarshal]

Indian route is still more expensive and long as it involves sea. With trade agreement with India, Pakistan cant be wished away or loses its importance in Afghan context.

We should not provide land access to India. This is not just Kashmir but India's open involvement in terror activities in Pakistan. India is imposing war on us. First it should declare its not at war with Pakistan then seek trade concessions.

If we need to change our approach to India, as its encouraged, India too should change its approach. We might have 70s mentality. But Indians are stuck in 40s as are Afghans.

- I actually don't mind creating fences to disrupt militant movement.
- But I dont think you need fences when Mullah Mansoor openly select his lieutenants in Quetta, you just need police to go there and arrest him.
- Pakistan and Afghanistan must join hands to disrupt TTP

Your intention is very noble. However this is not how your governments right from 1947 have behaved. They have always been inimical to Pakistan. TTP has its strongholds across the border. Despite Pakistan asking and pinpointing, Afghans have not taken action.

Pakistan and Afghanistan are like brothers. Despite economic burden and constant instability, Afghans have been welcomed in Pakistan. They have families, run their businesses and kids go to school. Compare this to Iran which has strict regulation on Afghan refugees.

we wish Afghans well but their actions must also reciprocate the sentiment. By giving strategic space to India, Afghans are not doing us any favor. In fact, in the past decade, all terror activity in Pakistan has been directed from across the border.

 

[Kaniska]

So according to you, no indian hates Pakistan. No indian sees Pakistan as indian land that was forcefully taken away from it? IF what you say us true then it's a good thing. Don't know if you're being honest or sarcastic.

Freind...Hate is a very powerful word...I personally reserve it so that i can use it later part of my life some day...But of course not with Pakistan...I will use the word India and Pakistan are feeling as rival to each other due to our own insecurity....Here is the simple fact that goes in common Indian mind...Pakistan want to take away my land from Kashmir....So we do not like them...But that does not mean i hate Pakistan or i want India to blow of a nuclear bomb on Pakistan so that million of people will be killed...Of course no ..not at all....We do not want any one from India or Pakistan should be harmed or killed but we keep our rivallary open...

Simple example is PDF....We argue...we discuss and we try to show each other in a good way in PDF....This is not hate...rather i use the word rivallary between us to feel ourselves better...Honestly, if we hate Pakistan people...then what am in doing in PDF????? Is it not a valid question?...

 

[mikkix]

Terrain is not ideal, we can build a fence few hundred miles inside Afghan territory or few hundred miles inside our land where terrain suitable.

We have millions of Afghan refugees, if we claim some Afghan territory for them near the border we can settle them there and make a model city for them. It will solve fence issue and belated refugees problem as well, as they will be literally sent back.

How is that?

That will an agressive strategy. One needs to undertand that if we does that pushtoons must be in our side.

Freind...Hate is a very powerful word...I personally reserve it so that i can use it later part of my life some day...But of course not with Pakistan...I will use the word India and Pakistan are feeling as rival to each other due to our own insecurity....Here is the simple fact that goes in common Indian mind...Pakistan want to take away my land from Kashmir....So we do not like them...But that does not mean i hate Pakistan or i want India to blow of a nuclear bomb on Pakistan so that million of people will be killed...Of course no ..not at all....We do not want any one from India or Pakistan should be harmed or killed but we keep our rivallary open...

Simple example is PDF....We argue...we discuss and we try to show each other in a good way in PDF....This is not hate...rather i use the word rivallary between us to feel ourselves better...Honestly, if we hate Pakistan people...then what am in doing in PDF????? Is it not a valid question?...

Well i aceept what you said about PDF but if you visit D*F*I then hatred about Pakistan, Islam, Prophet and Muslims are truly above all. Such pathetic Languages they are using is un belivable.

 

[ghameed]

Well, at least Pakistan is of some use for Afghanistan. Does India offer same incentives to Bangladesh and Nepal?
Some countries in this region are safe only because of Pakistan(infect all except China). Even Srilanka have near death experience few years ago, thanks to great India.

Someone's been smoking the big dooby .. !!