Afghanistan: India packing its bags?

[Neo]

Good thing for India is it can maintain relations with Afghanistan inspite of not sharing border with it and use Pakistan position in between as buffer, this makes Pakistan angry. Afghanistan has history of trouble sharing border with Afghanistan sometimes is sharing trouble. This is I think probable cause of Pakistan's anger at India.

Well mutual intersts can be best described as "My enemy's enemy is my best friend".
Welcome to real politik

 

[Goodperson]

Well mutual intersts can be best described as "My enemy's enemy is my best friend".
Welcome to real politik

hmm... look it from other angle, Whats harm in being friends with Afghans ?

 

[Prodigy17]

Perhaps, but then India isn't the only country which is blaming Pakistan for terrorism - and that's what clinches the deal.

If tomorrow the US or EU accuses India of supporting the BLA, that will be something noteworthy.

I would request you to go back a little and see that i have already recommended closure for RAW not because it hurts Pakistan but because of your claim that it doesn't do anything any where in the neighbourhood.

By the way, you can read this article, a little old but i'm sure it will satisfy your thirst for evidence that too a multinational one. Second, google Vikram Sood and B. Raman to read their "informative articles" on Balochistan based on their "active contacts" in Balochistan. One wonders who are these active contacts...... RAW rats (thinking loud)


Unveiling Mystery of Balochistan

So that answers your questions regarding source of weapon supply.....and why US is quite. This also answers our fellow colleague DareDevils claim of innocence untill proven guilty.

 

[Prodigy17]

Those claims are to be taken with a bucket of salt IMHO. Several buckets, infact.

I fail to understand why a RAW agent would divulge his identity to a BLA recruit. Why would he tell the guy that he's a RAW agent? Its not like that would motivate the BLA guy to work for him.
In any case, confessions extracted by Pakistan police.....ahem....

So much for your police and intelligence agencies then claiming to have extracted confessions from bombers that they are linked to ISI.

I'm guessing.... your RAW agents probably need more training to adjust themselves in this relatively new role....

 

[Prodigy17]

They can't hit us, Armor - we're being insulated by Pakistan . Though I'll admit that the insulation is leaking a bit in Kashmir. (sorry guys...PJ...I know)

My point is that we are not going to send an occupying force to Afghanistan - we are there to simply secure our strategic interests and build goodwill, by building roads, hospitals and other important infrastructure.

They will have no reason to attack us because we are treading lightly - we have no desire to earn their ire.

Your thinking of isolation is based on false sense of security which by the way also clouded the judgment of countries bringing armies into af-tan before you.... to refresh your memory, USSR for example, how much money do you think they had spent on developement to sustain their presence in af-tan.... way beyond what India and even US can spend in af-tan now. Did that help ??? i guess Napoleon was right when he emphatically claimed, "Only fools learn from their own mistakes" which implies that wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

As far as insulation provided by Pakistan, suffice to say that people living in glass houses should never throw stones at others. Af-tan is like a mirage....Alas!!! so many before you also thought that they had it in their pocket only to get severely drubbed and disillusioned.

 

[Awesome]

Attack on one more consulate will make Pakistan's life difficult and it will be heading into a quagmire. Attack on Kabul embassy has already put a lot of pressure on ISI and Pak govt., if you don't remember.

Not once Nato is gone from Afghanistan.

Maybe some consulates are legit. But the ones that are identified as terrorist camps have to go.

 

[Flintlock]

Your thinking of isolation is based on false sense of security which by the way also clouded the judgment of countries bringing armies into af-tan before you.... to refresh your memory, USSR for example, how much money do you think they had spent on developement to sustain their presence in af-tan.... way beyond what India and even US can spend in af-tan now. Did that help ??? i guess Napoleon was right when he emphatically claimed, "Only fools learn from their own mistakes" which implies that wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

My dear Armor, USSR tried to take Afghanistan by force. We intend to do nothing of the sort, because we understand better than most that Afghans love a good fight more than anything else on earth.

As far as insulation provided by Pakistan, suffice to say that people living in glass houses should never throw stones at others. Af-tan is like a mirage....Alas!!! so many before you also thought that they had it in their pocket only to get severely drubbed and disillusioned.

Erm...whatever dude.

 

[Flintlock]

I'm guessing.... your RAW agents probably need more training to adjust themselves in this relatively new role....

I doubt you have to be highly trained to figure out that telling a terrorist "I am a RAW agent and I want to sell you weapons" will get you in trouble.

If India is indeed financing the BLA, I'm pretty sure they have a better way of doing it.

 

[Awesome]

If Pakistan could do it, it would have done it.

Ye bachchon ka khel nahi, Jaani.

Any attack on Indian consulates will invite swift diplomatic and other responses. Pakistan can try to do it through terrorists in a deniable manner and no one will be fooled.

There is no way Pakistani "forces" can do it, the same forces who could not win a god damned part of a district against some lumpens in their own country for months.

We already did it.

There were a few observations:
1) We'll need to wait till Nato pretty much stops caring about Afghanistan
2) India just sat and watched
3) People are recognizing that our Afghanistan problem is with India.

 

[Awesome]

India's main interest in Afghanistan is to avoid it becoming a failed state again that becomes a heaven for terrorism like in the bad old days of Taliban.

That is pretty much the same for NATO.

BS! Is Afghanistan the only nation on the planet that needs assistance?

It's people like you who have never allowed Afghanistan to prosper by thinking they need you. Let them do it their own way.

Remember Pak now has an elected government that must go by the wishes of the people. Lets even say its five years till Nato leaves, that means at least 100 more terror incidents inspired by India and perhaps many more that are just blamed on India for the heck of it.

Imagine the public sentiment... We will be attacking all threats!

And if you're expecting America to come to your rescue, then keep dreaming.

 

[vish]

Just my two bits here...

Those consulates exist for a very valid reason: to make sure we have connections with the local warlords in Afghanistan; these connections are also there to help the Northern Alliance.

This is a sort of insurance if Uncle Sam leaves (which I do not think is going to happen; the Americans are here to stay) and the Taliban decides to raise its mother-******* head.

We do not want to repeat the same mistake again.


Asim:
I doubt those consulates would be shut; further, all this Kashmir rant by Obama is nothing but that.

 

[Awesome]

Just my two bits here...

Those consulates exist for a very valid reason: to make sure we have connections with the local warlords in Afghanistan; these connections are also there to help the Northern Alliance.

This is a sort of insurance if Uncle Sam leaves (which I do not think is going to happen; the Americans are here to stay) and the Taliban decides to raise its mother-******* head.

We do not want to repeat the same mistake again.


Asim:
I doubt those consulates would be shut; further, all this Kashmir rant by Obama is nothing but that.

I think Obama won't ever walk his talk too. But you're seriously going to use the consulates against Taliban? Seriously India won't want to invite trouble upon them in Afghanistan. I mean in that case we won't have to do anything.

If that was it, we would've found a way to work together in Afghanistan. But as it turns out whenever we're closing in on the terrorists they escape to Afghanistan where they have sanctuaries.

 

[vish]

I think Obama won't ever walk his talk too. But you're seriously going to use the consulates against Taliban? Seriously India won't want to invite trouble upon them in Afghanistan. I mean in that case we won't have to do anything.

If that was it, we would've found a way to work together in Afghanistan. But as it turns out whenever we're closing in on the terrorists they escape to Afghanistan where they have sanctuaries.

I said the consulates are being used to develop connections with the local warlords in the ground, so that when the time arises (if it does, and that is a very big "if"), these can be bought to fight for the Northern Alliance against the Taliban.

I disagree with your last sentence; I doubt the RAW is working with the Taliban (Uncle Sam won't allow this, and neither would India's babudom); the BLA "may be".