Afghanistan again complained to UN Against Pakistan - 2019 .

[Haris Ali2140]

Looking at all these responses I can see why many Afghans would harbour ill will towards Pakistan. Being an Afghan I am against the puppet government imposed on us by America, its obvious without American support the government would fall apart within a short frame of time, however we shouldn't forget that the reason why we Afghans and Pakistan are in such a mess (although Pakistan is somewhat more secure now) is because Pakistan allowed America into Afghanistan.

Don't forget, not all Afghans support the government, and the only reason they are in power is because of America, the current Afghan government is not my representative nor is it the government I accept. I understand that there is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiments from many Afghans, however the path forward is not bombing each other or spreading hate between one another, but rather supporting one another. Pakistan sending grain to Afghanistan, as well as opening the Muhammad Ali Jinnah hospital and allowing Afghans to open bank accounts in Pakistan, and allowing those Afghans who were born in Pakistan to have citizenship was a good move, such positive actions remove anti-Pakistan rehtoric, while negative actions re-inforces it and allows India to build their anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

India would want nothing more than to have the Pakistani government send all the refugees in Pakistan back to Afghanistan, not only would that create more hate in Afghanistan, but it would give India more leverage in Afghanistan against Pakistan. Have some patience, wait for America to leave and peace return to Afghanistan, and I guarantee that this anti-Pakistan sentiments would die within 5-10 years.

That's the reality that even in my opinion senior members doesn't seems to understand.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

Looking at all these responses I can see why many Afghans would harbour ill will towards Pakistan. Being an Afghan I am against the puppet government imposed on us by America, its obvious without American support the government would fall apart within a short frame of time, however we shouldn't forget that the reason why we Afghans and Pakistan are in such a mess (although Pakistan is somewhat more secure now) is because Pakistan allowed America into Afghanistan.

Don't forget, not all Afghans support the government, and the only reason they are in power is because of America, the current Afghan government is not my representative nor is it the government I accept. I understand that there is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiments from many Afghans, however the path forward is not bombing each other or spreading hate between one another, but rather supporting one another. Pakistan sending grain to Afghanistan, as well as opening the Muhammad Ali Jinnah hospital and allowing Afghans to open bank accounts in Pakistan, and allowing those Afghans who were born in Pakistan to have citizenship was a good move, such positive actions remove anti-Pakistan rehtoric, while negative actions re-inforces it and allows India to build their anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

India would want nothing more than to have the Pakistani government send all the refugees in Pakistan back to Afghanistan, not only would that create more hate in Afghanistan, but it would give India more leverage in Afghanistan against Pakistan. Have some patience, wait for America to leave and peace return to Afghanistan, and I guarantee that this anti-Pakistan sentiments would die within 5-10 years.

Dear brother first of all its not only about this government . From 1947 till now no government in Afghanistan (i repeat no government )accepted Pakistan Afghanistan border which is international border / UN recongnized ( even check indian news they will show current border as international border ) . now come to Afghanistan refugees they are involved in raising anti Pakistan slogans , raising Afghanistan flags on 13/14 August 2019 e.t.c e.t.c . In 1947 Afghanistan was only government in the UN which refused to recongnize Pakistan . Afghanistan citizens love to start history of Pakistan Afghanistan relations from 1979 plz start it from 14 August 1947 . explain ur support of Pashtunistan , free balochistan during 1950s , 1960s , 1970s . Afghanistan is hostile towards Pakistan from 1947 . To have normal relations with Pakistan first accept the international border ( which no govt from 1947 till now accepted from Afghanistan side ) .

 

[H. Dawary]

Dear brother first of all its not only about this government . From 1947 till now no government in Afghanistan (i repeat no government )accepted Pakistan Afghanistan border which is international border / UN recongnized ( even check indian news they will show current border as international border ) . now come to Afghanistan refugees they are involved in raising anti Pakistan slogans , raising Afghanistan flags on 13/14 August 2019 e.t.c e.t.c . In 1947 Afghanistan was only government in the UN which refused to recongnize Pakistan . Afghanistan citizens love to start history of Pakistan Afghanistan relations from 1979 plz start it from 14 August 1947 . explain ur support of Pashtunistan , free balochistan during 1950s , 1960s , 1970s . Afghanistan is hostile towards Pakistan from 1947 . To have normal relations with Pakistan first accept the international border ( which no govt from 1947 till now accepted from Afghanistan side ) .

Even if Afghanistan doesn't recognize the Durand line, why does that concern you and Pakistan? At the end of the day the major stake holders of KPK are the Pashtuns that live there, if they all tomorrow didn't want to be apart of Pakistan you wouldn't be able to stop that from happening. Fortunately for Pakistan, most of the Pashtuns in Pakistan prefer to be with Pakistan even when Afghanistan had its golden years.

I am not going to deny that Afghanistan has been against Pakistan from its conception and it was mainly because of KPK, but our attempts to take KPK away were unsuccessful because our aim was purely nationalistic in nature and the Pashtuns in KPK understood this which is why they were the main ones who fought against us, so long as the Pakistan sticks to its foundation of being an Islamic nation then I doubt we will be able to touch KPK as men in general subscribe more to ideology than they do to nationalistic aims, which is why Nasers (Egypt) Pan Arabism was unsuccessful against King Faisals Pan-Islamism.

Now before there was enmity between both of our nations due to the lack of brotherhood that is shared between Muslim nations, we were way too westernized, however I doubt this enmity will be there after the Islamic government is established, and the sentiments of Afghanistan after it becomes a fully Islamic nation will eventually carry onto Pakistan and you can witness a unity like never before.

Here in Canada actually, I have friends from all nations, Guyana, Pakistan, Egypt, Tanzania, Iran, however because we only look at each other as Muslims we don't care which nationality either one of us belongs to, we only care if we are Muslim or not. My dream InshAllah is to see this happen throughout the Muslim world.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Even if Afghanistan doesn't recognize the Durand line, why does that concern you and Pakistan? At the end of the day the major stake holders of KPK are the Pashtuns that live there, if they all tomorrow didn't want to be apart of Pakistan you wouldn't be able to stop that from happening. Fortunately for Pakistan, most of the Pashtuns in Pakistan prefer to be with Pakistan even when Afghanistan had its golden years.

I am not going to deny that Afghanistan has been against Pakistan from its conception and it was mainly because of KPK, but our attempts to take KPK away were unsuccessful because our aim was purely nationalistic in nature and the Pashtuns in KPK understood this which is why they were the main ones who fought against us, so long as the Pakistan sticks to its foundation of being an Islamic nation then I doubt we will be able to touch KPK as men in general subscribe more to ideology than they do to nationalistic aims, which is why Nasers (Egypt) Pan Arabism was unsuccessful against King Faisals Pan-Islamism.

Now before there was enmity between both of our nations due to the lack of brotherhood that is shared between Muslim nations, we were way too westernized, however I doubt this enmity will be there after the Islamic government is established, and the sentiments of Afghanistan after it becomes a fully Islamic nation will eventually carry onto Pakistan and you can witness a unity like never before.

Here in Canada actually, I have friends from all nations, Guyana, Pakistan, Egypt, Tanzania, Iran, however because we only look at each other as Muslims we don't care which nationality either one of us belongs to, we only care if we are Muslim or not. My dream InshAllah is to see this happen throughout the Muslim world.

Enmity will cause more problems for both countries.Neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan can afford it.Only way forward is to quickly solve differences and move forward.

 

[H. Dawary]

Enmity will cause more problems for both countries.Neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan can afford it.Only way forward is to quickly solve differences and move forward.

Exactly, the brother from earlier pointed out that we didn't recognize the Durand line, I am all for recognizing the Durand line if it means it will bring us closer together as MUSLIM nations, at the end of the day on the day of Qiyamah I am not going to enter Jannah because I was a Pashtun, but whether or not I was a good Muslim, the Muslim world is in dire straits because of divisions and that is going to continue so long as we continue to be divided.

 

[CodeforFood]

Exactly, the brother from earlier pointed out that we didn't recognize the Durand line, I am all for recognizing the Durand line if it means it will bring us closer together as MUSLIM nations, at the end of the day on the day of Qiyamah I am not going to enter Jannah because I was a Pashtun, but whether or not I was a good Muslim, the Muslim world is in dire straits because of divisions and that is going to continue so long as we continue to be divided.

Exactly! we need to drop these nationalistic sentiments that divide us. Find commonalities that unite us. We can solve this pashtun problem even with uniting the afghan side pashtun lands with Pakistan. This would make the nation much stronger, don't you think?

 

[H. Dawary]

Exactly! we need to drop these nationalistic sentiments that divide us. Find commonalities that unite us. We can solve this pashtun problem even with uniting the afghan side pashtun lands with Pakistan. This would make the nation much stronger, don't you think?

I wouldn't mind Afghanistan and Pakistan united as one nation, but it must be a Islamic unity, not any other kind of unity and it mustn't be done through force but by the will of the people and that must include all of Afghanistan, and even then Pakistan itself must become a Sharia state right after Afghanistan becomes one, and we can call the unity of Afghanistan and Pakistan a completely new state.

However the pre-condition to that unity must be Islam and Sharia, which must be implemented in both countries first before anything. We must get rid democracy in both nations, and go by the system of Allah revealed to Mohammad (SAW). Otherwise I don't think any Afghan would accept a unity without Islam as a pre-condition.

General Hamid Gul also shared this view, that eventually after Islamic system is established in Afghanistan that it will eventually come to Pakistan

 

[SecularNationalist]

Namak harams have no right to exist. Kill them.
Their days are outnumbered anyway ,soon Afghan Taliban will cut their heads and put them on public display.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Looking at all these responses I can see why many Afghans would harbour ill will towards Pakistan. Being an Afghan I am against the puppet government imposed on us by America, its obvious without American support the government would fall apart within a short frame of time, however we shouldn't forget that the reason why we Afghans and Pakistan are in such a mess (although Pakistan is somewhat more secure now) is because Pakistan allowed America into Afghanistan.

Don't forget, not all Afghans support the government, and the only reason they are in power is because of America, the current Afghan government is not my representative nor is it the government I accept. I understand that there is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiments from many Afghans, however the path forward is not bombing each other or spreading hate between one another, but rather supporting one another. Pakistan sending grain to Afghanistan, as well as opening the Muhammad Ali Jinnah hospital and allowing Afghans to open bank accounts in Pakistan, and allowing those Afghans who were born in Pakistan to have citizenship was a good move, such positive actions remove anti-Pakistan rehtoric, while negative actions re-inforces it and allows India to build their anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

India would want nothing more than to have the Pakistani government send all the refugees in Pakistan back to Afghanistan, not only would that create more hate in Afghanistan, but it would give India more leverage in Afghanistan against Pakistan. Have some patience, wait for America to leave and peace return to Afghanistan, and I guarantee that this anti-Pakistan sentiments would die within 5-10 years.

Assalam alaikum brother.

Please post more, I would like to read more of what you have to say.

It is a breath of fresh air for everyone to read your sentiments.

Now before there was enmity between both of our nations due to the lack of brotherhood that is shared between Muslim nations, we were way too westernized, however I doubt this enmity will be there after the Islamic government is established, and the sentiments of Afghanistan after it becomes a fully Islamic nation will eventually carry onto Pakistan and you can witness a unity like never before.

There are also people like me who believe Afghanistan and Pakistan are the same country, and it will take Islamic unity to do that.

Pakistan was founded on Islam and the strength/power of Muslim history, and if Afghanistan drops secular nationalism in favor of Islam, there will be no difference between us two.

I wouldn't mind Afghanistan and Pakistan united as one nation, but it must be a Islamic unity, not any other kind of unity and it mustn't be done through force but by the will of the people and that must include all of Afghanistan, and even then Pakistan itself must become a Sharia state right after Afghanistan becomes one, and we can call the unity of Afghanistan and Pakistan a completely new state.

However the pre-condition to that unity must be Islam and Sharia, which must be implemented in both countries first before anything. We must get rid democracy in both nations, and go by the system of Allah revealed to Mohammad (SAW). Otherwise I don't think any Afghan would accept a unity without Islam as a pre-condition.

General Hamid Gul also shared this view, that eventually after Islamic system is established in Afghanistan that it will eventually come to Pakistan

Some prominent Pakistani thinkers and scholars had/have the same ideas as you. Chaudry Rehmat Ali, Allama Iqbal, Hamid Gul, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Orya Maqbool Jan, Dr. Shahid Masood, and even our PM Imran Khan.

 

[Imad.Khan]

I wouldn't mind Afghanistan and Pakistan united as one nation, but it must be a Islamic unity, not any other kind of unity and it mustn't be done through force but by the will of the people and that must include all of Afghanistan, and even then Pakistan itself must become a Sharia state right after Afghanistan becomes one, and we can call the unity of Afghanistan and Pakistan a completely new state.

However the pre-condition to that unity must be Islam and Sharia, which must be implemented in both countries first before anything. We must get rid democracy in both nations, and go by the system of Allah revealed to Mohammad (SAW). Otherwise I don't think any Afghan would accept a unity without Islam as a pre-condition.

General Hamid Gul also shared this view, that eventually after Islamic system is established in Afghanistan that it will eventually come to Pakistan

There is one problem and that is Muslims are not united on what constitute Sharia. Everyone has there own version of Sharia. Pakistani constitution was made keeping Quran and Sunnah as the base but even then its not satisfying the ultra religious section of the society.

So basically i do not believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan would be united because of Sharia. But Afghanistan and Pakistan will one day merge because of ethnic identities and that is the only way for us to prosper and have peace.

P.S. plus i want to trace back to where my ancestors came from.

 

[H. Dawary]

There is one problem and that is Muslims are not united on what constitute Sharia. Everyone has there own version of Sharia. Pakistani constitution was made keeping Quran and Sunnah as the base but even then its not satisfying the ultra religious section of the society.

So basically i do not believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan would be united because of Sharia. But Afghanistan and Pakistan will one day merge because of ethnic identities and that is the only way for us to prosper and have peace.

P.S. plus i want to trace back to where my ancestors came from.

Brother that is a sorry excuse of not wanting to implement Islam. Listen, I am not saying it should be done right away, it should be implemented slowly little by little, both our nations should set up unification Ministries like the two Koreas and then form a national consensus within the people of both nations.

And if it is a problem of Fiqh or Madhab we shouldn't worry as we both follow Hanafi Madhab, and even then we can have Ulemas dispute that and come to a majority vote, the prophet himself said "The Prophet SAW during the Fitan warned us on following other sects, saying to Hudhayfah Ibn Al-Yamani - "what do you suggest if I happen to live in that time? He said: You should stick to the majority of the main body of the Muslims and their leader. I said: If they have no (such thing as the) main body and have no leader? He said: Separate yourself from all these factions, though you may have to eat the roots of trees (in a jungle) until death comes to you and you are in this state." [Muslim]. Seeing as we have so much information in these times, it shouldn't be a problem to implement this system in the proper way.

I am not saying this system should be implemented right away overnight, but little by little, until it is convenient for both nations to become one.

Assalam alaikum brother.

Please post more, I would like to read more of what you have to say.

It is a breath of fresh air for everyone to read your sentiments.



There are also people like me who believe Afghanistan and Pakistan are the same country, and it will take Islamic unity to do that.

Pakistan was founded on Islam and the strength/power of Muslim history, and if Afghanistan drops secular nationalism in favor of Islam, there will be no difference between us two.



Some prominent Pakistani thinkers and scholars had/have the same ideas as you. Chaudry Rehmat Ali, Allama Iqbal, Hamid Gul, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Orya Maqbool Jan, Dr. Shahid Masood, and even our PM Imran Khan.

Walikum As Salam, Jazakallah Khairun brother. I myself see no difference between us, when we see each other as nations its like we are night and day, but when we see each other as Muslims it is like staring in a mirror. InshAllah that day will come, and InshAllah it happens in my lifetime while I am alive.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Looking at all these responses I can see why many Afghans would harbour ill will towards Pakistan. Being an Afghan I am against the puppet government imposed on us by America, its obvious without American support the government would fall apart within a short frame of time, however we shouldn't forget that the reason why we Afghans and Pakistan are in such a mess (although Pakistan is somewhat more secure now) is because Pakistan allowed America into Afghanistan.

Don't forget, not all Afghans support the government, and the only reason they are in power is because of America, the current Afghan government is not my representative nor is it the government I accept. I understand that there is a lot of anti-Pakistan sentiments from many Afghans, however the path forward is not bombing each other or spreading hate between one another, but rather supporting one another. Pakistan sending grain to Afghanistan, as well as opening the Muhammad Ali Jinnah hospital and allowing Afghans to open bank accounts in Pakistan, and allowing those Afghans who were born in Pakistan to have citizenship was a good move, such positive actions remove anti-Pakistan rehtoric, while negative actions re-inforces it and allows India to build their anti-Pakistan rhetoric.

India would want nothing more than to have the Pakistani government send all the refugees in Pakistan back to Afghanistan, not only would that create more hate in Afghanistan, but it would give India more leverage in Afghanistan against Pakistan. Have some patience, wait for America to leave and peace return to Afghanistan, and I guarantee that this anti-Pakistan sentiments would die within 5-10 years.

Well said brother, waiting for USA to leave.

 

[Kabira]

Even if Afghanistan doesn't recognize the Durand line, why does that concern you and Pakistan? At the end of the day the major stake holders of KPK are the Pashtuns that live there, if they all tomorrow didn't want to be apart of Pakistan you wouldn't be able to stop that from happening. Fortunately for Pakistan, most of the Pashtuns in Pakistan prefer to be with Pakistan even when Afghanistan had its golden years.

I am not going to deny that Afghanistan has been against Pakistan from its conception and it was mainly because of KPK, but our attempts to take KPK away were unsuccessful because our aim was purely nationalistic in nature and the Pashtuns in KPK understood this which is why they were the main ones who fought against us, so long as the Pakistan sticks to its foundation of being an Islamic nation then I doubt we will be able to touch KPK as men in general subscribe more to ideology than they do to nationalistic aims, which is why Nasers (Egypt) Pan Arabism was unsuccessful against King Faisals Pan-Islamism.

Now before there was enmity between both of our nations due to the lack of brotherhood that is shared between Muslim nations, we were way too westernized, however I doubt this enmity will be there after the Islamic government is established, and the sentiments of Afghanistan after it becomes a fully Islamic nation will eventually carry onto Pakistan and you can witness a unity like never before.

Here in Canada actually, I have friends from all nations, Guyana, Pakistan, Egypt, Tanzania, Iran, however because we only look at each other as Muslims we don't care which nationality either one of us belongs to, we only care if we are Muslim or not. My dream InshAllah is to see this happen throughout the Muslim world.

Yes it matter what Afghanistan claim. Its why Pakistan supported and still would like to see extremists Taliban in Kabul over Indian sponsored ones even if later is moderate and better. Because Afghanistan doesnt just claim but also hosted anti-Pakistan terrorists since 1947.

Hopefully in future both stop interfering in each other affairs.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

These godless scum used to wear fake beards and wigs.
May Allah destroy them.

Afghanistan puppet regime is trying to help India & manipulating UN attention from India brutalities in Indian Occupied Kashmir but Modi forgot that these farcical attempts wouldn't make any difference. Afghani puppets so-called observations are already debunked and Pakistan has provided them intelligence based reports along with locations of terrorist inside Afghanistan that continuously attacked Pakistan Military and then were put in place as they deserved.

Few pictures of TTP come PTM terrorists from Afghan land.

However, Noor Wali is already declared as Global Terrorist & he is chief of TTP. We will keep hunting whosoever tried to cross the line.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There is one problem and that is Muslims are not united on what constitute Sharia. Everyone has there own version of Sharia. Pakistani constitution was made keeping Quran and Sunnah as the base but even then its not satisfying the ultra religious section of the society.

So basically i do not believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan would be united because of Sharia. But Afghanistan and Pakistan will one day merge because of ethnic identities and that is the only way for us to prosper and have peace.

P.S. plus i want to trace back to where my ancestors came from.

Indeed, I also believe our relationship is multi-faceted where religion and ethnicity go hand in hand.

We are one qawm, who have been united for most of our history. It was only until British occupation that we were disunited forcefully. It went so far that those caught teaching Dari and most of our learned men were forcibly put to death by the British.

This map constitutes more-or-less one nation with a common history, culture, heritage, religious outlook, and civilization.

The Durrani Empire