Afghani Taliban and Pakistani Taliban are one and the same

[Gandhi G in da house]

Then maybe your country should try to negotiate with the Islamic terrorists and Maoist rebels that control most of your country.... and while you're at it, practice what you preach and remove your army and war planes from the border with Pakistan. I hate how Indians always boast about peace and progress while in reality their actions are the very thing that is PREVENTING peace from taking place. India is a nation of western puppets, doing the bidding of the western corporate empires which seek war for profit. India and it's people are fine selling themselves and their land, values and resources out while denouncing other nations. I wish the sell-out nation of India and it's people would clean out their own backyard for once.....

We have got a Zaid Hamid fan here , or maybe zaid hamid himself.

 

[EjazR]

And also to India. But if they ever try to come near us, we will kill them. We will kill them like a dog on the street.

Its a promise.

Well the Taliban have never claimed to bring India under Taliban rule. They might have offerred services to "defend" Pakistan from an Indian attack but thats it.

Infact, they have asked India centric groups like LeT, HuJI, JuD, JeM e.t.c. to stop the fight with India in Kashmir as the people there including the separatists want a secular state. That they should join TTP and AFghan Taliban to impose Taliban rule in region first.

 

[punit]

Then maybe your country should try to negotiate with the Islamic terrorists and Maoist rebels that control most of your country

dont worry we are inviting PLA to get rid of these element and inviting CCP to handle the govt of India .

 

[punit]

And also to India. But if they ever try to come near us, we will kill them. We will kill them like a dog on the street.

but reality is they are killing Pakistanis .. not exactly like dogs but on streets

 

[secularbuster]

Taliban were doing suicide bombings, but right wing Media always used to hide it in name of “Reaction of US Presence”.

But people started realizing the true face of Fitna of Taliban when they started the “Imposition of Talibani Sharia” at gunpoint and slaughtered thousands of innocent Pakistani citizens.

This was the time when common Pakistani started feeling anger against Taliban too, while it became evident that Taliban are not fighting for “US Expulsion”, but their ultimate goal is “Imposition of Talibani Sharia at gunpoint”. Even USleaves, but this Talibani Battle will continue against Pakistani Citizens, as we saw in Swat Valley where no “US” was involved,and even after Swat Deal, Taliban still killed & slaughtered thousands in order to impose their Talibani Sharia.

One of the biggest Conspiracy maker in Right Wing Media is Hamid Mir.
This Hamid Mir was the first person who started this fantasy conspiracy that Afghan Talibans are different and Pakistani Talibans are different …. Hamid Mir claimed that Afghani Talibans are angels while Pakistani Talibans are CIA Agents.

But the reality is neither Afghan Talibans are angels, nor Pakistani Talibans are CIA Agenst, but both these Talibans are one and the same thing.

Unfortunately Hamid Mir was very successful in his conspiracy and our emotional Nation accepted this conspiracy of Hamid Mir in name of Religion and gave “Clean Chit” to Afghani Taliban.The religious fanatics also found this conspiracy very effective to deceive poor Pakistani people, and they asked Mullah Umar to release a statement that Pakistani Taliban is not under his influence. Peoplewho still accepts this conspiracy of Hamid Mir, their only and only argument is this statement of Mullah Umar.

It is requested with true heart from these emotional brothers of our Nation to look at the following proofs against Afghani Taliban and don't let yourself deceived by people like Hamid Mir.

1st Proof: Challenge that Mullah Umar has not declared Baitullah Mehsood, Fazl Ullah and other Talibans as CIA Agents

Whole history is a witness that Mullah Umar has not declared Bait Ullah Mehsood as an CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Fazl Ullah in Swat is CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Mullah Nazir of Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent.

Neither Mullah Umar ever said that Hafiz Gul Bahadur of Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent.

Not a single Pakistani Talibani group has been declared as CIA Agent by Mullah Umar.

Accept for one Munafiqana Statement of Mullah Umar(i.e. Pakistani Taliban is neither in contact with him nor under his control) he never gave any statement against them. This Munafiqat of Mullah Umar will become clear to you after watching the following Proofs. Insha-Allah.

2nd Proof: Lie of Mullah Umar that he has no “Contacts” with Pakistani Taliban

This report came in all Pakistani Newspapers when there was a fight between two Talibani groups (Mehsood Group & Salafi Shah Khalid Group), and Salafi Shah Khalid was killed in that fight.

BBC Urdu dot Com, Peshawar (Link):

تحریکطالبان پاکستان کے سربراہ بیت اللہ محسودنے مہمند ایجنسی میں طالبان کے دوگروپوںمیں تصادم میں ایک گروہ کے چند افراد کیہلاکت کے واقعہ کا سختی سے نوٹس لیتے ہوئےمقامی طالبان کے امیر عمر خالد سے وضاحتطلب کی ہے۔

تحریککے مرکزی ترجمان مولوی عمر نے بی بی سی کوفون پر بتایا کہ بیت اللہ محسود نے اسواقعہ کی تحقیقات کے لئے ایک وفد بھیج دیاہے جو مہمند ایجنسی میں سنیچر کو ہونےوالی ہلاکتوں کی تفتیش کرے گا۔

انہوںنے کہا کہ افغانستان میںطالبان کے سربراہ ملا عمر نے بھی اس واقعہکا سختی سے نوٹس لیا ہے۔ دونوں گروہوں کےمابین اختلافات ختم کرانے کے لئے افغانطالبان کا بھی ایک وفد کام کر رہا ہے جومہمند ایجنسی میں پہلے سے ہی موجود تھاکہ یہ واقعہ پیش آیا۔ ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

Translation:

Baitullah Mehsood (leader of Tehrik-e-Taliban) took the notice of fight between two Talibani groups in Mehmand Agency, in which many local Taliban sdied.

The Central spokesperson of Tehrik-e-Taliban Maulvi Umar told BBC on telephone that Baitullah Mehsood had sent a delegation in Mehmand Agency, who will investigate the killings in this incident.

He further said that Mullah Umar, the leader of Taliban in Afghanistan has also taken a strong notice of this inicdent. The Afghan Taliban had already sent a delegation to Pakistani who was trying to clear the differences between Talibani groups. This Afghani Taliban's delegation would further also investigate the killings in Mehmand Agency. ​

Baitullah Mehsood openly says that he is in“Contact” with Afghani Taliban, and Afghani Taliban considers him as head of all Talibani Groups in Pakistan, but how big fools we are that still we deceive ourselves and consider Afghani Taliban as Angels, while Pakistani Taliban is CIA Agent for us.

3rd Proof: The Interview of Mullah Nazir to al-Sahab Media Cell of Al-Qaida

Who is Mullah Nazir? Answer is there are 3 big groups of Pakistani Taliban and Mullah Nazir group is one of them (Rest 2 are Mehsood group & Hafiz Gul Bahadur group. Then there are many small Talibani groups like Haqqani, Punjabi Taliban, Salafi Talibans etc.)

Who is al-Sahab? Answeris al-Sehab is the Media Cell of al-Qaida. They published all the Videos of al-Qaida leaders like Usama bin Laden, al-Zahwari etc.

Mullah Nazir gave an Interview to al-Sahab. This inteview is very important.

Please note that conspirators like Hamid Mir are not the spokesperson of Taliban, but these Talibani leaders are the best spokespersons of their own intentions. All Pakistanies should listen to this Talibani leader as this interview should open theireyes.

ForFull Transcript & Video of Mullah Nazir Interview click here

Important Point of the Interview:

1. Mullah Nazir is very clear that he considers Pakistani Democratic System to be No. 1 enemy of Islam.

2. Mullah Nazir openly admits that he is involved in attacks upon Jawans of Pak Army.

3. Mullah Nazir openly telling that he is in “Full Contact” with Mullah Umar of Afghan Taliban.
He is not using title of “Amir-ul-Momineen” anymore for Mullah Umar, but saying that he is “Amir-ul-Jehad” at moment.
Mullah Nazir is telling that when he & his companions go to Afghanistan to fight, then they don't open a separate front, but they fight directly under the leadership of Mullah Umar & his Afghan Taliban.
Mullah Nazir says that he is proud to fight personally in Afghanistan under Mullah Umar and he killed 18 Afghan Army soldiers.

4. Mullah Nazir tells that not only Afghan Taliban, but he is also in “Direct Contact” with leadership of al-Qaida …. and al-Qaida has issued a fatwa that Pakistani Army is “Kuffar” and they should be killed & slaughtered.

5. Mullah Nazir claims there is no Difference among him & Fazl Ullah & Mehsood and other Talibani groups, and all of them are fully United under the Direct leadership of Mullah Umar of Afghanistan.

6. Mullah Nazir's words about Pak Army are these: “Pak Forces are Not Muslims, but they are “Awliya” (friends) of Kuffar and killing them is true Islam.”

7. Mullah Nazir is blaming “Pakistani System” as a “Kafir System” (just same as Sufi Muhammad & Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley claimed). Mullah Nazir is saying that in present Pakistani System “a Shia” “a Qadiyani” is also able to cast their votes, therefore there is no doubt in kufr of Pakistani system.

8. A question was asked to Mullah Nazir if he is allowed to impose his Shariati System in FATA like the one in Swat, then is he going to lay down his weapons?

Mullah Nazir denied to lay down his weapons even after that. He further made clear that not only FATA, but he will impose the “Talibani Shariat” in Islamabad & then in whole of country as present Pakistani System is a Kafir system.

Those innocent people who still think that Talibani Fitna & Fasaad is going to stop after the US expulsion from Afghanistan, they must open their eyes.

Taliban rose this slogan in 1996 (i.e. 15 years ago):

کابل تا اسلام آباد ۔۔۔۔ طالبان طالبان

Translation: “From Kabul to Islamabad ….. Taliban Taliban”.

This was the time when Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996.

Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley got whole area of Swat and Malakand Agency. But instead of laying down his weapons, he started his march towards Islamabad. His aim was also not to expel US from Swat, but to impose his Talibani Sharia in Islamabad and then whole country, as he deemed Pakistani System to be a Kafir system.

If our innocent brothers still not come into their senses and realize the aim of Taliban, then very soon they will see Mullah Nazir giving this interview in Islamabad and in their other cities.

9. Mullah Nazir admitted that majority of Pakistani Ulama don't support their Talibani type of Jehad, but there is still a minority of 500 Ulama who have issued a fatwa of fighting against Pakistani Army and killing them and also in favor of “Suicide Bombings”.
​

4th Proof: Usama's & al-Zahwari's Videos for attacking Pakistani Forces

We are not posting these Videos of Usama & al-Zahwari here as there are tons of them where they are openly asking their fighters to attack the Pakistani Forces while they have become Kafir by taking other Kafirs as their Awliya.

Even after these clear tons of Videos, Mullah Umar & al-Qaida are still one & same and Mullah Umar has never blamed al-Qaida to be CIA Agent for killing Pakistani forces. Infect both Tehrik-e-Taliban and al-Qaida are killing Pakistani Forces & both of them are close friend of Mullah Umar.

This Afghan Taliban and al-Qaida friendship is so clear that our innocent brothers must come out of their dreams that Mullah Umar is an Angel and he condems attacks upon Pakistani Forces.

Only Allah could give Taufeeq to these innocent Pakistani brothers who still take Mullah Umar as an Angel and they keep on watching the slaughter of Pakistani Army Jawans at hands of Talibans.


5th Proof: Pakistani ISI's open admission that all Proofs say Afghani & Pakistani Talibans are one and same

And at end the most important proof … the open admission of Pakistani ISI …. All Proofs tell that Afghani & Pakistani Talibans are one and same and there is absolutely no difference in them.

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2009-daily/19-05-2009/up73.gif

When our innocent Pakistani brothers still keep on deceiving themselves in name of religion, and keep on playing at hands of Right Wing Media, then no one could help them except Allah.

These innocent Pakistani brothers got this same deception at hands of Right Wing Media at time of Swat incident. What was the result of Swat? Thousands of people were slaughtered at hands of Taliban and more than one Million people became homeless.

Conclusion:

1. Pakistani Taliban are not CIA Agents, but they kill Pakistani Forces while they consider Pakistani Law & System to be a Kafir system.

2. Even if we believe that Pakistani Taliban like Fazl Ullah are CIA Agents, still question arises why then we presented the whole Area of SWAT to these CIA Agents?
[*]That resulted in killing of hundreds of more innocent Pakistanies and over one million people becomeing homeless.

3. Afghan Taliban and Pakistani Taliban are one and the same.
There may be minor differences among them (like Afghan Taliban may want to concentrate only at US Army at moment and don't want to open up a front against Pakistani Forces at moment …. but despite these minor differences of timings they are one and the same & their ulitmate goal is not Expulsion of US, but the imposition of Talibani Sharia in Islamabad/Pakistan.

In case of collision & fight between Pakistani Forces and Pakistani Taliban …. all the sympathies of Afghani Taliban and al-Qaida goes for Pakistani Talibans.

We would be living in dream land if we believe that Afghani Taliban & al-Qaida are going to support our Pak Forces against their own people i.e. the Pakistani Taliban.
​

Important Video that Pakistani Taliban got all of their Training of Terrorism from al-Qaida​

It is not CIA who trained these thousands of Pakistani Talibans, but it was al-Qaida who gave them the training of making Terrorist bomb devices etc.

If what you are saying was true uncle sam would have had TTP's name on its terror list.

 

[DV RULES]

In Afghanistan people went for fighting against US/NATO army because they don't like their presence where most of people carried guns because of US/NATO air bombing over civilian where their families are killed. They all now are titled as Taliban but in actually NATO lost his support in Afghan people because of inhuman attacks. In result support for Taliban is gradually increased among Afghan people.

TTP is different case, this fraction actually formed after death of Naik Muhammad and this group of resisters were called as TTP where in actual they didn't adopt this title themselves. After that CIA-RAW-NDS used this fraction for their anti-Pakistan activities. Musharraf was responsible for this who now sitting outside and advising to make relations with Israel(This is another story). TTP also supported by foreign intelligences to create hate for Taliban among Pakistani people.

Pakistani Taliban elements can be broadly divided into two groups, the 'good Taliban' and the 'bad Taliban'. A number of Pakistani politicians are of the view that Pakistan should promote the 'good Taliban' for its own interest rather than that of the United States.

'Good Taliban' are those who never target Pakistani armies and their focus remains on Afghanistan, while the 'bad Taliban' mainly attack Pakistani government installations and often seek refuge across the border.

The relations between the 'good Taliban' and the Pakistan government are based on the theory of 'mutual non-interference in each other's affairs'.

Qari Zainuddin Mehsud, the head of the anti-Baitullah group, is an example of this group. He enjoyed the support of state agencies, confronted Baitullah Mehsud and openly supported the Jihad in Afghanistan against NATO forces. However, Zainuddin Mehsud could not oppose Baitullah for a long time, as he was killed by his guard on June 23 this year.

Mullah Omer, one of the world's most wanted men, has good ties with Mullah Nazir, who has great influence over the agency's Wazir-dominated areas. South Waziristan is broadly divided into two parts -- Mehsud-built and Wazir-built. Mehsud is the largest tribe comprising 60 per cent of the population that lives in Sarokai, Kaniguram, Makin, Shakatoi and Sararogha, while 35 per cent of the populations is made up of Wazirs who are dominant in Wana, the headquarters of the agency, and its environs.

Mullah Nazir, a 'good Talib', enjoys good relations with the Pakistan government. His followers never attack security forces in the area and the army reciprocates by not disturbing his fighters while they cross the Durand Line. In 2006, Taliban forces in this part were also fighting against Pakistani security forces, under the leadership of commander Haji Omer, the cousin of slain Taliban commander Naik Muhammad.

Naik Muhammad had initiated an armed struggle against the Pakistani forces in South Waziristan. He later signed a peace agreement with the government but the accord was sabotaged when he was killed during a drone attack in 2004.

Haji Omer, popularly known for harbouring foreign militants, especially Uzbeks, succeeded Naik Muhammad. The aggressive Uzbeks carried out attacks against the security forces and local chieftains, which dampened the Taliban's popularity in the area. The Taliban elements in Afghanistan were concerned about this development, as they often crossed over to Pakistan, especially during winter.

When the public opinion against Haji Omer and the Uzbeks became stronger, Mullah Omer appointed Mullah Nazir, his blue-eyed boy, as the head of all Taliban factions in Wana and its surroundings. The newly appointed head of Taliban started cleansing operation against Uzbeks and their host Haji Omer -- they were ousted in March 2007.
Incidentally, Haji Omer and Uzbek militants were welcomed by Baitullah Mehsud, drawing the ire of both Mullah Omer and Mullah Nazir.
Hafiz Gul Bahadur, the head of the Taliban faction in neighbouring North Waziristan, follows a similar policy of opposing Jihad within Pakistan and focusing on the fight inside Afghanistan.

Gul Bahadur, a 'good Talib', enjoys the support of government agencies and of Mullah Omer. Maulana Sirajuddin Haqqani, the son of senior Afghan Jihadi Jalaluddin Haqqani, follows the same policy.

In 2006, when fighting erupted between Pakistani security forces and the Taliban at North Waziristan, Mullah Dadullah, a dreaded Afghan Taliban commander, brokered a peace deal between the two parties. Dadullah, who was killed later, wanted Waziristan to be a safe haven for Taliban fighters, and didn't want clashes with Pakistani security forces.

Gul Bahadur Wazir, the head of the Taliban in North Waziristan, initially fought against Pakistani security forces, but signed a peace deal with the government in 2006. However, in 2007, he broke the agreement, only to re-enter into a peace deal with the government. In June 2009, he again withdrew from the deal.

After Baitullah Mehsud's death, the state agencies are trying to create a rift in the Baitullah-led TTP, over the issue of leadership. State-owned media also carried some baseless reports that Hakimullah Mehsud and Waliur Rehman, both likely successors of Mehsud, have killed each other.

The death of a 'bad Taliban' - Rediff.com India News

 

[Developereo]

TTP is different case, this fraction actually formed after death of Naik Muhammad and this group of resisters were called as TTP where in actual they didn't adopt this title themselves. After that CIA-RAW-NDS used this fraction for their anti-Pakistan activities.

Absolutely correct!

Nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in the original article refutes the claim that the TTP is backed by the US. We know for a fact that they find safe haven in Afghanistan whenever they are chased by Pakistani forces. Hundreds of TTP fighters casually saunter over the border to attack Pakistani forces. We know that Baluch separatist terrorists find refuge in Afghanistan.

NATO's goal in fostering and promoting terrorism within Pakistan serves several purposes:
- create support for the WOT.
- create resentment and anger at the Pakistan army.
- create ethnic divisions within Pakistan leading to the eventual Balkanization of Pakistan.
- provide a cover for separatist movements in Baluchistan.

 

[ali_raza]

akistan was keen to gear up for a breakthrough in Central Asia. Islamabad could not possibly expect the new Islamic government leaders... to subordinate their own nationalist objectives in order to help Pakistan realize its regional ambitions. Had it not been for the ISI's logistic support and supply of a large number of rockets, Hekmatyar's forces would not have been able to target and destroy half of Kabul...


this is cut piece from wikipedia.com

 

[pyromagnet]

I don't know base of your Troll....
1. India is not Western Puppet, We have independent policy.
2. Maoist threat, India is dealing with them in better way with minimal collateral damage.
3. War plane at Pakistani Border: With all due respect we can't pull them from border looking the nature of Pakistan. Can you guarentee me if we pull back our armed forces, Pakistan will not attack???

You are poisoned with Anti Indian drug, you need some cure,,

1. How??? When Indians in your own country, and immigrant Indians try so damn hard to be western??? Stop trying to be like us, and embrace your OWN CULTURE!!! You are western puppets because you abandon your own lifestyle in the name of "progress" and "modernism" but in reality you are still a poor corrupt nation and abandoning your values has gotten you nowhere. You want to know why? Because you kill off anybody who threatens your weak central government, and you war monger against Pakistan... you are weak pathetic puppets fighting wars for the US corporate and military establishment. You shed blood and lose territory and you are not even fighting your own wars, you are fighting the wars of your puppet masters.

2. No they're not. The Maoists have huge popular support in India and control 1/3rd of the rural farmland in India. You cannot contain the Maoist threat!

3. Well.... look at your own actions. Maybe if you stopped occupying Kashmir, and maybe if you take the forces off the border and stop playing war games and offensive practice drills then there would be no reason to attack.

By the way, I am not on any "anti-Indian" drug. In today's world of media, there is an extreme bias in favour of India, the world's next new western puppet. Whenever I see this bias in action, I am inclined to correct it and show the other side of the story, which is often ignored these days in favour of a certain agenda.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

the Afghan taleban as of late has tried to paint itself more as a nationalistic resistance movement
against foreign occupiers.....out of convenience they have set aside differences with other anti-foreigner movements like the Hezb e Islami which is run by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar --who himself is a former ally from the anti-soviet jihad days.

on the other hand, Pakistan taleban is not one unified organized force. They are highly factionalized and in fact, there have been many instances in which they turned guns on eachother. The TTP do get help (moral, financial) from the enemies of Pakistan though they arent entirely taking orders from outside. It is true that they view Pakistani institutions and government organs as 'kafir' however most of their attacks have been against civilian soft targets. Most of the dead are innocent civilians.

the Afghan taleban consists almost entirely of Afghan nationals. The Pakistani taleban consists of Pakistanis but a good number are also foreigners ---from as far away as Germany, UK, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Chechna, even Uighurs from China. While their objective is to rid the region of foreign invaders --it is obvious that their primary intention --their target -- is Pakistan.

Not everything is black and white here...there is a shade of gray as well. Neither are exactly friends of Pakistan (au contraire). However one group represents a purely Afghan phenomenon (and therefore less a threat to Pakistan) whereas the other has proven to be an existential threat to Pakistan and its national security.


this is a very basic and broad assesment. but i totally disagree with the notion that they are ''one and the same''

 

[pyromagnet]

The top commanders of the "Afghan Taliban" (Afghan Mujahideens), such as the Haqqani network, Hekmatyar, Mullah Omar & others are from that era. The top commanders of the TTP such as Mehsud, Zia Rehman, Fazlullah are not from that era as far as I know.



The Taliban, as well as the Al-Qaeda, Haqqani group, Hizb-e-Islami, Northern Alliance & other groups are all off-shoots of the Afghan Mujahideen in the 80s. The Taliban were not homegrown youth in Pakistan, they were formed in Afghanistan in 1996, not Pakistan.

Qari Ziaur Rehman (correct spelling) fought the Soviets when he was a teenager, and he is not a part of the TTP. He is a dual hatted leader, however, his allegiance lies more with Al Qaeda than it does the Afghan Taliban. When he is inside Pakistan, he rarely attacks Pak. army forces; he'd rather use his energy and forces to attack NATO forces in Kunar and Nuristan and Laghman provinces of Afghanistan.

 

[Hamna.Pak]

Afghani is the currency of afghanistan

correct is afghan ...

 

[Nelson]

I had heard that Pakistani Taliban is different from the Afghani's and that they're being funded and supported by CIA and RAW. Isn't it true?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Taliban were doing suicide bombings, but right wing Media always used to hide it in name of “Reaction of US Presence”

Suicide bombings were started after the presence of USA in this region because of their so called war on terror. Give me any incident of suicide bombing or terrorism committed by Taliban before 9/11. If Taliban were terrorist then why Pakistan recognised their government as legitimate.

When US announced war against Afghanistan, Pakistan was the state who had the alarm bells ringing. The military leadership of Pakistan, at that time was confused whether to support their Afghani brethren whom they supported and helped them to form an amicable government for Pakistan or to side with then so called super power. The military leadership, who formed the government with the help of United States, decided to side with its masters and take its neighbours on.

After the war, US dismantled the pro-Pakistan Taliban Government and installed the very much hostile for Pakistan, Northern Alliance Government. Pakistan came under the backlash of the remains of the Taliban and thus it was inevitable that Taliban will certainly take Pakistan on. Taliban formed their strongholds in the mountainous region on the Durand Line and started militant activities on the both sides.

Now after all this Pakistan is under bombardment from the Taliban and some other groups whose leadership in on the payroll of the agencies like RAW and MOSSAD. Pakistan is fighting a war against its own men in the tribal areas who were once considered as the front line defence and supported Pakistan in the 1965 war.

The rate of suicide bombings have increased massively in Pakistan. Foreign investors are reluctant to invest in Pakistan. Pakistan has lost a massive amount of money in all this and above all there is a political turmoil and chaos in the state. People don't believe on their leadership and the anti-American sentiment in on a high.

Pakistan has given everything to the so called war on terror but hasn't got anything in return. On the contrary states like Afghanistan and India are accusing Pakistan of terrorism. International perception about Pakistan is full of hatred and people avoid mingling with Pakistanis abroad.

In the current scenario of Global Economic Slow Down, Pakistan is feeling the heat of it and is also losing its economy because of the war on terror. Now America has recognised, how maligned this term war on terror is and has decided to never to use this term. It is about time that Pakistan recognises its priorities and act according to the national interests rather than the American interests.

 

[mehwish_ali]

How bad a "Good Taliban" could be?

Mullah Nazir is a "Good Talib".

But look how bad this "Good Talib" could be for Pakistan. Don't trust the stories spread by Right Wing Media, but pay attention to the own Interview of this "Good Talib" Mullah Nazir (already posted in the very first post of this thread).

3rd Proof: The Interview of Mullah Nazir to al-Sahab Media Cell of Al-Qaida

Who is Mullah Nazir (the so called "Good Taliban")? Answer is there are 3 big groups of Pakistani Taliban and Mullah Nazir group is one of them (Rest 2 are Mehsood group & Hafiz Gul Bahadur group. Then there are many small Talibani groups like Haqqani, Punjabi Taliban, Salafi Talibans etc.)

Who is al-Sahab? Answeris al-Sehab is the Media Cell of al-Qaida. They published all the Videos of al-Qaida leaders like Usama bin Laden, al-Zahwari etc.

Mullah Nazir gave an Interview to al-Sahab. This inteview is very important.

Please note that conspirators like Hamid Mir are not the spokesperson of Taliban, but these Talibani leaders are the best spokespersons of their own intentions. All Pakistanies should listen to this Talibani leader as this interview should open theireyes.

ForFull Transcript & Video of Mullah Nazir Interview click here

Important Point of the Interview:

1. Mullah Nazir is very clear that he considers Pakistani Democratic System to be No. 1 enemy of Islam.

2. Mullah Nazir openly admits that he is involved in attacks upon Jawans of Pak Army.

3. Mullah Nazir openly telling that he is in “Full Contact” with Mullah Umar of Afghan Taliban.
He is not using title of “Amir-ul-Momineen” anymore for Mullah Umar, but saying that he is “Amir-ul-Jehad” at moment.
Mullah Nazir is telling that when he & his companions go to Afghanistan to fight, then they don't open a separate front, but they fight directly under the leadership of Mullah Umar & his Afghan Taliban.
Mullah Nazir says that he is proud to fight personally in Afghanistan under Mullah Umar and he killed 18 Afghan Army soldiers.

4. Mullah Nazir tells that not only Afghan Taliban, but he is also in “Direct Contact” with leadership of al-Qaida …. and al-Qaida has issued a fatwa that Pakistani Army is “Kuffar” and they should be killed & slaughtered.

5. Mullah Nazir claims there is no Difference among him & Fazl Ullah & Mehsood and other Talibani groups, and all of them are fully United under the Direct leadership of Mullah Umar of Afghanistan.

6. Mullah Nazir's words about Pak Army are these: “Pak Forces are Not Muslims, but they are “Awliya” (friends) of Kuffar and killing them is true Islam.”

7. Mullah Nazir is blaming “Pakistani System” as a “Kafir System” (just same as Sufi Muhammad & Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley claimed). Mullah Nazir is saying that in present Pakistani System “a Shia” “a Qadiyani” is also able to cast their votes, therefore there is no doubt in kufr of Pakistani system.

8. A question was asked to Mullah Nazir if he is allowed to impose his Shariati System in FATA like the one in Swat, then is he going to lay down his weapons?

Mullah Nazir denied to lay down his weapons even after that. He further made clear that not only FATA, but he will impose the “Talibani Shariat” in Islamabad & then in whole of country as present Pakistani System is a Kafir system.

Those innocent people who still think that Talibani Fitna & Fasaad is going to stop after the US expulsion from Afghanistan, they must open their eyes.

Taliban rose this slogan in 1996 (i.e. 15 years ago):

کابل تا اسلام آباد ۔۔۔۔ طالبان طالبان

Translation: “From Kabul to Islamabad ….. Taliban Taliban”.

This was the time when Taliban conquered Kabul in 1996.

Fazl Ullah of Swat Valley got whole area of Swat and Malakand Agency. But instead of laying down his weapons, he started his march towards Islamabad. His aim was also not to expel US from Swat, but to impose his Talibani Sharia in Islamabad and then whole country, as he deemed Pakistani System to be a Kafir system.

If our innocent brothers still not come into their senses and realize the aim of Taliban, then very soon they will see Mullah Nazir giving this interview in Islamabad and in their other cities.

9. Mullah Nazir admitted that majority of Pakistani Ulama don't support their Talibani type of Jehad, but there is still a minority of 500 Ulama who have issued a fatwa of fighting against Pakistani Army and killing them and also in favor of “Suicide Bombings”.
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Therefore, just watch this "Good Talib". He is not hiding his intentions that this "Good Talib" belongs to Takfiri Group, he considers Pakistani System to be a Kafir System and thus ultimate goal of this "Good Talib" is to capture Islamabad and to impose Talibani Sharia in Islamabad/Pakistan.

How stupid are we as Nation? Are we still keep on believing them to be "Good Taliban" and "Our Brothers" etc.?

Conclusion:

There may be few Taliban elements don't want to wage a war against Pakistani forces at moment. Sooner or later, but for sure a time will come when they will turn against us and wage their Jehad against us till the time they don't capture Islamabad and impose their "Good Talibani Sharia" upon us.

Dear fellow Pakistanies,

Ask this question to you. What will happen if US leaves and Afghan Taliban gets the control of Afghanistan? In this case, if Pakistani Taliban wage a War against us, then where Afghan Taliban would be standing? Whole sympathies of Afghan Taliban will be with Pakistani Taliban and they will be helping them in killing us. Have you not seen that Fazl Ullah of Swat is close friend of Mullah Umar and is being given shelter by Mullah Umar and it doesn't matter to Mullah Umar that how many innocent Pakistani citizens have been killed and slaughtered by Fazl Ullah. Similarly all sympathy of Mullah Umar is with al-Qaida, although al-Qaida wants to destroy Pakistan.

Please don't turn blind eyes to the realities.